Ontario Same-Sex Couple Denied Videography for Gay Wedding

[-Ra-]

Doesn't matter. Our law isn't build around Biblical law. Nevertheless, we hold that religious freedom is one of the pillars of our society, and we allow people to exercise their religion or lack thereof inasmuch as they are not harming anyone.

The same argument was used to refuse interracial marriage.

Church venues are already allowed to do this iirc. The only laws on the books say that the government cannot stop interracial marriages. Again, it is refusal of service. It is not actively harming anyone.

Also, race discrimination and LGBT discrimination are no way alike.

[San Lumen]

The same argument was used to refuse interracial marriage.

Church venues are already allowed to do this iirc. The only laws on the books say that the government cannot stop interracial marriages. Again, it is refusal of service. It is not actively harming anyone.

Also, race discrimination and LGBT discrimination are no way alike.

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

[Cordel One]

Church venues are already allowed to do this iirc. The only laws on the books say that the government cannot stop interracial marriages. Again, it is refusal of service. It is not actively harming anyone.

Also, race discrimination and LGBT discrimination are no way alike.

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

A refusal of service based on something that's uncontrollable and not bad to be more precise.

[Aureumterra]

I mean if they don't want to be in business anymore there's a lot more straightforward ways of doing it but go off I guess, enjoy that review bomb.

Everyone is proud and happy until the store is empty and someone keeps throwing rotten tomatoes at the door.

The Masterpiece Cakeshop seems to be doing better than ever, I don’t see why this is any different. They got customers for the sole sake of "owning the libs," I have a feeling something similar will happen here.

While I think discriminating against someone for their homosexuality, which is out of their control, is terrible, my principles are always with free speech and belief, instead of succumbing to the mob

[-Ra-]

Church venues are already allowed to do this iirc. The only laws on the books say that the government cannot stop interracial marriages. Again, it is refusal of service. It is not actively harming anyone.

Also, race discrimination and LGBT discrimination are no way alike.

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

A black person can never not be black. Nobody can choose whether or not to "present" as black. Black people are black at all times. The same applies for sex.

Gay people who are in same-sex relations choose to be in those relationships. Gay people have the option of not presenting in couples or gay, whereas a black person does not have this privilege.

[Aureumterra]

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

A black person can never not be black. Nobody can choose whether or not to "present" as black. Black people are black at all times. The same applies for sex.

Gay people who are in same-sex relations choose to be in those relationships. Gay people have the option of not presenting in couples or gay, whereas a black person does not have this privilege.

Actually, homosexuality is biological and has been proven by multiple reputable studies (not grievance studies, actual biology)

[Cordel One]

Everyone is proud and happy until the store is empty and someone keeps throwing rotten tomatoes at the door.

The Masterpiece Cakeshop seems to be doing better than ever, I don’t see why this is any different. They got customers for the sole sake of "owning the libs," I have a feeling something similar will happen here.

While I think discriminating against someone for their homosexuality, which is out of their control, is terrible, my principles are always with free speech and belief, instead of succumbing to the mob

In that case you would have loved the Jim Crow era.

[-Ra-]

Actually, homosexuality is biological and has been proven by multiple reputable studies (not grievance studies, actual biology)

I'm not saying that being gay is a choice, I'm saying presenting as a gay couple is a choice.

[Ors Might]

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

A black person can never not be black. Nobody can choose whether or not to "present" as black. Black people are black at all times. The same applies for sex.

Gay people who are in same-sex relations choose to be in those relationships. Gay people have the option of not presenting in couples or gay, whereas a black person does not have this privilege.

Yeah no, while yeah you can pass as straight if you try, that doesn’t equate to it not being shit to be a discriminatory asshole.

That aside, it’s still garbage to punish someone for not wanting to video tape your wedding.

[San Lumen]

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

A black person can never not be black. Nobody can choose whether or not to "present" as black. Black people are black at all times. The same applies for sex.

Gay people who are in same-sex relations choose to be in those relationships. Gay people have the option of not presenting in couples or gay, whereas a black person does not have this privilege.

One does not chose to be gay. Why should a gay couple hide it?

[Cordel One]

Actually, homosexuality is biological and has been proven by multiple reputable studies (not grievance studies, actual biology)

I'm not saying that being gay is a choice, I'm saying presenting as a gay couple is a choice.

Why the hell should they hide that? Straight couples don't hide it.

Furthermore, it's a WEDDING. Isn't presentation kind of the purpose of weddings? Isn't taking pictures of that what wedding photographers do?

[Novus America]

Really they are not alike? Its a refusal of service. No difference

A refusal of service based on something that's uncontrollable and not bad to be more precise.

Gay Marriage is entirely controllable. Is it good or bad? That is a subjective values judgement.
Again it is refusal to participate in a voluntary ceremony. Which is different.

Say I have a restaurant. A black guy comes in and orders a sandwich. I should not be able to say “no sandwich because you are black.
BUT say I do catering as well, and he asks me to cater a BLM rally.
I should be able to say no to that if I disagree with the BLM Movement.

Being black is not controllable, not a political or religious statement.
Holding a BLM rally though? Completely controllable political statement.

[New haven america]

Actually, homosexuality is biological and has been proven by multiple reputable studies (not grievance studies, actual biology)

I'm not saying that being gay is a choice, I'm saying presenting as a gay couple is a choice.

You know, it's ironic that you have an Ancient Egypt themed nation while being against homosexuality, when historically the Ancient Egyptians were actually quite accepting of LGB+ sexualities.

Seriously, Egypt and Mesopotamia, the first 2 human countries in the entire world didn't really care about sexuality.

[Cordel One]

A refusal of service based on something that's uncontrollable and not bad to be more precise.

Gay Marriage is entirely controllable. Is it good or bad? That is a subjective values judgement.
Again it is refusal to participate in a voluntary ceremony. Which is different.

Say I have a restaurant. A black guy comes in and orders a sandwich. I should not be able to say “no sandwich because you are black.
BUT say I do catering as well, and he asks me to cater a BLM rally.
I should be able to say no to that if I disagree with the BLM Movement.

Being black is not controllable, not a political or religious statement.
Holding a BLM rally though? Completely controllable political statement.

They aren't getting married to make a political statement, they're getting married because they're two people who love each other.

[Ors Might]

I'm not saying that being gay is a choice, I'm saying presenting as a gay couple is a choice.

Why the hell should they hide that? Straight couples don't hide it.

Furthermore, it's a WEDDING. Isn't presentation kind of the purpose of weddings? Isn't taking pictures of that what wedding photographers do?

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

[Aureumterra]

Actually, homosexuality is biological and has been proven by multiple reputable studies (not grievance studies, actual biology)

I'm not saying that being gay is a choice, I'm saying presenting as a gay couple is a choice.

So if I understand, you’re saying that a gay marriage is controllable? Then you would be correct, as I’ve said before although I disagree with he actions I support the business' freedom to do so. This leads into a moral conflict of "unlimited freedom extending to hate" vs. "limiting freedom to restrict hate" which has been debated many times here

[New haven america]

Why the hell should they hide that? Straight couples don't hide it.

Furthermore, it's a WEDDING. Isn't presentation kind of the purpose of weddings? Isn't taking pictures of that what wedding photographers do?

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

No it's actually not.

Most artists are just scrapping by and usually head over heels happy to get payed for their work.

[Novus America]

The Masterpiece Cakeshop seems to be doing better than ever, I don’t see why this is any different. They got customers for the sole sake of "owning the libs," I have a feeling something similar will happen here.

While I think discriminating against someone for their homosexuality, which is out of their control, is terrible, my principles are always with free speech and belief, instead of succumbing to the mob

In that case you would have loved the Jim Crow era.

We went over that, why comparing not being able to force someone to write a certain message on a cake is completely different than people force to sleep in their cars with no food.

It is also offensive to cheapen the horrors of Jim Crow laws to someone not wanting to write a message on a cake.

[Aureumterra]

Gay Marriage is entirely controllable. Is it good or bad? That is a subjective values judgement.
Again it is refusal to participate in a voluntary ceremony. Which is different.

Say I have a restaurant. A black guy comes in and orders a sandwich. I should not be able to say “no sandwich because you are black.
BUT say I do catering as well, and he asks me to cater a BLM rally.
I should be able to say no to that if I disagree with the BLM Movement.

Being black is not controllable, not a political or religious statement.
Holding a BLM rally though? Completely controllable political statement.

They aren't getting married to make a political statement, they're getting married because they're two people who love each other.

What Novus America is trying to say is that a gay marriage is entirely controllable, vs being black isn’t something you do by choice

Being gay is not controllable, but having a gay wedding is

[Cordel One]

Why the hell should they hide that? Straight couples don't hide it.

Furthermore, it's a WEDDING. Isn't presentation kind of the purpose of weddings? Isn't taking pictures of that what wedding photographers do?

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

Some people consider cooking to be an art too. Let's say you're a racist and a black guy walks into your restaurant and orders some food. Do you have any right to kick them out?

[Aureumterra]

The Masterpiece Cakeshop seems to be doing better than ever, I don’t see why this is any different. They got customers for the sole sake of "owning the libs," I have a feeling something similar will happen here.

While I think discriminating against someone for their homosexuality, which is out of their control, is terrible, my principles are always with free speech and belief, instead of succumbing to the mob

In that case you would have loved the Jim Crow era.

That’s just insensitive. Jim Crow was people fearing for their life and being harassed on a daily basis due to the color of their skin, this is a couple being refused service by a photography company for their wedding

[Ors Might]

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

No it's actually not.

Most artists are just scrapping by and usually head over heels happy to get payed for their work.

Yes it actually is.

And when they wish to refuse to create art for someone, it’s bad to force them to.

[Novus America]

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

No it's actually not.

Most artists are just scrapping by and usually head over heels happy to get payed for their work.

Non Sequitur. Most artists would be happy to do this =/= all artists should be forced to do this.

[Novus America]

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

Some people consider cooking to be an art too. Let's say you're a racist and a black guy walks into your restaurant and orders some food. Do you have any right to kick them out?

No. But if he demands you write BLM on his food you are not required to do that.

[Ors Might]

Photography is generally accepted to be a form of art, while forcing an artist to accept your commission is generally accepted to be a bad thing to do.

Some people consider cooking to be an art too. Let's say you're a racist and a black guy walks into your restaurant and orders some food. Do you have any right to kick them out?

I’d say so, yeah. Frankly I don’t know why you’d want to pay someone that thinks you’re less than human.