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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:24 am

Jedi Council wrote:It's the "But I have a black friend" excuse but somehow even more pathetic.

Reminded me of that. Also reminds me of whenever someone says "I'm not homophobic! I just don't support them!"
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:28 am

Nuroblav wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:It's the "But I have a black friend" excuse but somehow even more pathetic.

Reminded me of that. Also reminds me of whenever someone says "I'm not homophobic! I just don't support them!"

"Love the sinner, hate the sin, but only ever view the sinner in the terms of what I have against them, which really isn't a sin at all or any of my business to begin with"

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:33 am

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Nuroblav wrote:Reminded me of that. Also reminds me of whenever someone says "I'm not homophobic! I just don't support them!"

"Love the sinner, hate the sin, but only ever view the sinner in the terms of what I have against them, which really isn't a sin at all or any of my business to begin with"

The passive aggressive "we have your best interests at heart, stop endangering yourself" is the most disgusting stance I commonly see.
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:39 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Cordel One wrote:"Love the sinner, hate the sin, but only ever view the sinner in the terms of what I have against them, which really isn't a sin at all or any of my business to begin with"

The passive aggressive "we have your best interests at heart, stop endangering yourself" is the most disgusting stance I commonly see.

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Postby Geneviev » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:50 am

Cordel One wrote:
Nuroblav wrote:Reminded me of that. Also reminds me of whenever someone says "I'm not homophobic! I just don't support them!"

"Love the sinner, hate the sin, but only ever view the sinner in the terms of what I have against them, which really isn't a sin at all or any of my business to begin with"

It's a shame that people think that is a Biblical position at all. Jesus never said anything like that, he actually loved sinners and didn't use the Bible to justify hate.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:52 am

Jedi Council wrote:
State of Turelisa wrote:I
I don't hate homosexuals. In fact, I think San Lumen is a nice person, if his photos are anything to go by. ;)

But you think he is wrong, deluded, and endangering himself?

I’d like to know this as well

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Postby Nuroblav » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:13 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:The passive aggressive "we have your best interests at heart, stop endangering yourself" is the most disgusting stance I commonly see.

InSiDe ThEy kNoW wHaT's BeSt FoR yOu...

Based. Also reminds me of the last verse of Institutionalised - Suicidal Tendencies, where the parents decide it would be in the protagonist's 'best interests' if they put him in an asylum. Anyway I fear I'm getting off-topic so back we go.

I find that when people say 'we just want what's best for you', it usually just means 'just gib me control of your life I'm much better'. As Geneviev said, I doubt someone like Jesus would have said something like that.
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Postby State of Turelisa » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:33 pm

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But try telling homosexuals that. Try, try and try again. Every time you get the accusation of hatred of levelled against you, which I think is projection.

You openly express your hatred gay people so that is probably why.

State of Turelisa wrote:I hope you don't take me for one of 'dem damn weirdo homophobes', because I don't hate homosexuals and accept them as human beings, even though they're wrong, deluded and endangering themselves.


Hating gay people is not a Christian value, but you, personally, hate gay people, which is presumably why people are leveling that accusation against you.


The quote is from a post in a previous discussion in another thread many weeks ago, and I was moderated for making it so I'm not likely to repeat it or expand upon it, am I?

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:38 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Crockerland wrote:You openly express your hatred gay people so that is probably why.



Hating gay people is not a Christian value, but you, personally, hate gay people, which is presumably why people are leveling that accusation against you.


The quote is from a post in a previous discussion in another thread many weeks ago, and I was moderated for making it so I'm not likely to repeat it or expand upon it, am I?

You still made it and didn't recant it. That speaks volumes.
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:47 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Crockerland wrote:You openly express your hatred gay people so that is probably why.



Hating gay people is not a Christian value, but you, personally, hate gay people, which is presumably why people are leveling that accusation against you.


The quote is from a post in a previous discussion in another thread many weeks ago, and I was moderated for making it so I'm not likely to repeat it or expand upon it, am I?

It's your opinion regardless.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:03 pm

Is this actually talking about the subject anymore or has it devolved into something else?
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Postby Cordel One » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:06 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Is this actually talking about the subject anymore or has it devolved into something else?

We've ganged up on Turelisa at the moment, wanna join in?

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:07 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Is this actually talking about the subject anymore or has it devolved into something else?

We've ganged up on Turelisa at the moment, wanna join in?


Doesn't sound like that's on topic. Whether that is deserved or not.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:08 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Is this actually talking about the subject anymore or has it devolved into something else?

Someone claiming "homosexuals should be discreet" is related to the topic as it posits that they shouldn't even try to get videography services.
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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:12 pm

State of Turelisa wrote:
Crockerland wrote:You openly express your hatred gay people so that is probably why.



Hating gay people is not a Christian value, but you, personally, hate gay people, which is presumably why people are leveling that accusation against you.


The quote is from a post in a previous discussion in another thread many weeks ago, and I was moderated for making it so I'm not likely to repeat it or expand upon it, am I?

But you still made it, and it appears that you didnt apologize or say you were wrong.

So, yeah, sorry, you still have to own it. And yes, if you truly believe that statement, you are a homophobe.
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Postby Giovenith » Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:59 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Is this actually talking about the subject anymore or has it devolved into something else?

We've ganged up on Turelisa at the moment, wanna join in?


How about you don't encourage dogpiling?
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:02 pm

I think this is fine. If it goes against the guy's beliefs, he should not be forced to do it. But the couple should be allowed to take another company.

:)

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:12 pm

La xinga wrote:I think this is fine. If it goes against the guy's beliefs, he should not be forced to do it. But the couple should be allowed to take another company.

:)

Why is it still socially acceptable to refuse service to members of the LGBTQ community, but discrimination based on race is universally condemned?

If the guy had said "my religion doesnt accept interracial marriage, I cant film this wedding", it would not be so simple as go find another photographer.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:13 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:I think this is fine. If it goes against the guy's beliefs, he should not be forced to do it. But the couple should be allowed to take another company.

:)

Why is it still socially acceptable to refuse service to members of the LGBTQ community, but discrimination based on race is universally condemned?

If the guy had said "my religion doesnt accept interracial marriage, I cant film this wedding", it would not be so simple as go find another photographer.

That should be considered fine too.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:15 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Why is it still socially acceptable to refuse service to members of the LGBTQ community, but discrimination based on race is universally condemned?

If the guy had said "my religion doesnt accept interracial marriage, I cant film this wedding", it would not be so simple as go find another photographer.

That should be considered fine too.

Lovely, glad to know racisms fine too I guess.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:17 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:That should be considered fine too.

Lovely, glad to know racisms fine too I guess.

As long as:

A. There's equal Opportunity to find another person of the same job.
2. It's not violent.

They had equal opportunity, and it was not violent.

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:19 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Lovely, glad to know racisms fine too I guess.

As long as:

A. There's equal Opportunity to find another person of the same job.
2. It's not violent.

They had equal opportunity, and it was not violent.


That sounds like an argument out of the 50s.

"You know, my diner is for whites only, but theres another one for blacks down the street."

That's not violent, and offers opportunity to find another establishment.
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Postby La Xinga » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:20 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
La xinga wrote:As long as:

A. There's equal Opportunity to find another person of the same job.
2. It's not violent.

They had equal opportunity, and it was not violent.


That sounds like an argument out of the 50s.

"You know, my diner is for whites only, but theres another one for blacks down the street."

That's not violent, and offers opportunity to find another establishment.

Yeah. That's fine. Why wouldn't it be?

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Postby Jedi Council » Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:21 pm

La xinga wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:
That sounds like an argument out of the 50s.

"You know, my diner is for whites only, but theres another one for blacks down the street."

That's not violent, and offers opportunity to find another establishment.

Yeah. That's fine. Why wouldn't it be?

I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Society should have moved past such disgusting statements.
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