Ontario Same-Sex Couple Denied Videography for Gay Wedding

[Jedi Council]

Why should they have that right?

Why should gay and lesbian couples have to hide the fact they are gay?

Discretion is the better part of valour. Visible queerness isn't a brave or intelligent way to behave in a world where shallow emotivism manifests in physically violent and even lethal reactions to perversity in public.
Witness the murder of Matthew Shepherd, murdered in a robbery by men whom he believed were 'picking him up' in a bar for a homosexual encounter. His open homosexuality was the factor in the gratuitous and terminal level of violence which was inflicted upon him.

That's such bullshit.

"Dont be yourself because other people might pick you up and murder you."

What a disgusting thing to say. Setting aside the fact you call homosexuality a "perversity," you are shifting the blame off discriminatory assholes and on to the LGBTQ community.

[State of Turelisa]

You must be the only homosexual who isn't familiar with the phrase, and since you're obviously a worldly man, I must suspect disingenuousness.

I asked you to define it. That doesn’t answer my other two inquiries

The definition is that which we both understand it to mean.
Matthew Shepard's murder is one of the most extreme of instances of the reaction of general civil disorder against controversial sexual behaviour in public, of which most are so common and relatively mild and occur in ordinary circumstances they're not worthy to mention in the media.

Discretion is the better part of valour. Visible queerness isn't a brave or intelligent way to behave in a world where shallow emotivism manifests in physically violent and even lethal reactions to perversity in public.
Witness the murder of Matthew Shepherd, murdered in a robbery by men whom he believed were 'picking him up' in a bar for a homosexual encounter. His open homosexuality was the factor in the gratuitous and terminal level of violence which was inflicted upon him.

That's such bullshit.

"Dont be yourself because other people might pick you up and murder you."

What a disgusting thing to say. Setting aside the fact you call homosexuality a "perversity," you are shifting the blame off discriminatory assholes and on to the LGBTQ community.

I didn't say that 'disgusting thing to say'. That quote isn't even a paraphrase of what I said.

[Thermodolia]

The videographer is hired only if she consents. You cannot force the videographer to do work for you. If a videographer only wants to do straight weddings, that's her choice and her right. If a videographer only wanted to do videography for gay couples, that would be her right too.

By that logic should be repeal all anti discrimination laws and allow business to pick and chose who they serve?

That’s silly Hyperbole and you know it.

Videographers like Artisanal bakers are artists and can choose what they want to make art out of. They aren’t businesses in the traditional sense. You can have anti-discrimination laws and allow artists to be discerning.

[Geneviev]

That's such bullshit.

"Dont be yourself because other people might pick you up and murder you."

What a disgusting thing to say. Setting aside the fact you call homosexuality a "perversity," you are shifting the blame off discriminatory assholes and on to the LGBTQ community.

I didn't say that 'disgusting thing to say'. That quote isn't even a paraphrase of what I said.

That's how I interpreted it as well, so you might need to clarify what you actually meant.

[San Lumen]

I asked you to define it. That doesn’t answer my other two inquiries

The definition is that which we both understand it to mean.
Matthew Shepard's murder is one of the most extreme of instances of the reaction of general civil disorder against controversial sexual behaviour in public, of which most are so common and relatively mild and occur in ordinary circumstances they're not worthy to mention in the media.

That's such bullshit.

"Dont be yourself because other people might pick you up and murder you."

What a disgusting thing to say. Setting aside the fact you call homosexuality a "perversity," you are shifting the blame off discriminatory assholes and on to the LGBTQ community.

I didn't say that 'disgusting thing to say'. That quote isn't even a paraphrase of what I said.

Because of what happened to one man two decades ago all LGBT should hide who they are and not show any affection in public and keep their relationship secret?

As a result of that horrible act this bill was passed in 2009: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_S ... ention_Act

[The Two Jerseys]

Hating gay people isn't a Christian value, most Christians I know would hate being put under that label.

I've never video recorded any wedding, does that mean I hate everyone?

Apparently it means you hate free speech...

[Fedel]

Leave them a million negative reviews, see how they like their upstanding position.

On the other hand, sad to say you can't force people to do something.

Of course, nothing wrong with making it look like it's a dirty disgusting move, which it is.

To all you lovely alt-right types: imagine being shunned and denied for being who you are and your beliefs, except it actually didn't hurt anyone physically or emotionally.

Thankfully, it's nobody's actual religious belief to shun you for being white unless it's some kind of religious cult. But unfortunately for minorities, intolerant, ignorant Christians are a dime a dozen.

"Sad to say you can't force people to do something."

Such a terrifying statement made even worse by the fact I don't even believe that was your intention.

What exactly is an "alt-right type" in your mind?

What does "hurt emotionally" mean to you? If somebody was mugged by a black man and they're now terrified of black people should all black people try to stay out of their line of sight because they risk "hurting that person emotionally?"

Plenty of people won't associate with whites on the basis of them being "crackahs" or "yuppies."

That's because you're assuming honest motivations on the part of those doing the forcing. Which is a false assumption. They try to force the issue because it's not about "non-discrimination" or "shunning me for . . . who I AM!" or any other rubbish excuse that's trotted out. It's about power. It's about getting in the face of people who refuse to drink the SJW Kool-Aid, shoving a funnel in their mouths, pouring it down their throats, and laughing as they choke on it.

Good on the videographers.

The irony that this same logic applies more to incels and MGTOWs.

What exactly is the reasoning for denying them due to being gay?

Maybe the reason you yourself brought up earlier. It hurts them emotionally to do so because of their belief in an all good being who condemns the practice. I'm not saying that's a reasonable position, but emotions are not always based in reason. Unless you want to amend your earlier statement on "it's not hurting anyone emotionally" to "it's not hurting anyone who's emotions on a subject can be completely traced back to a logical reason."

Though I have some unfortunate news about a lot of the things you get offended about if that's the case.

That's because you're assuming honest motivations on the part of those doing the forcing. Which is a false assumption. They try to force the issue because it's not about "non-discrimination" or "shunning me for . . . who I AM!" or any other rubbish excuse that's trotted out. It's about power. It's about getting in the face of people who refuse to drink the SJW Kool-Aid, shoving a funnel in their mouths, pouring it down their throats, and laughing as they choke on it.

Good on the videographers.

People of color in the south should have just gone elsewhere too right?

That's not what they said. They said that the motivation for these acts are power plays. Nobody actually said such power plays are unjustified ( not that the blacks situation in the Jim Crow South is equivalent to this situation, lol ). That was YOUR assumption. Please be more careful in the future. You could cause unnecessary misunderstandings with your statements otherwise.

Then I'd argue that the broad definition of "services" is unjust and is infringing on peoples' free speech.

Why should people be forced to make art of something they're morally opposed too? Should Racial Supremacists also not be denied service?

Slippery Slope argument. Everybody drink.

Not really a "slippery slope" when the exact instance being referenced is, according to you, "justified by the law" and the user in question obviously doesn't agree with the outcome. Lol.

[Jedi Council]

I asked you to define it. That doesn’t answer my other two inquiries

The definition is that which we both understand it to mean.
Matthew Shepard's murder is one of the most extreme of instances of the reaction of general civil disorder against controversial sexual behaviour in public, of which most are so common and relatively mild and occur in ordinary circumstances they're not worthy to mention in the media.

That's such bullshit.

"Dont be yourself because other people might pick you up and murder you."

What a disgusting thing to say. Setting aside the fact you call homosexuality a "perversity," you are shifting the blame off discriminatory assholes and on to the LGBTQ community.

I didn't say that 'disgusting thing to say'. That quote isn't even a paraphrase of what I said.

You literally said that visible queerness is neither a brave nor intelligent way to behave because it invites violence from others, primarily due to its "perversity."

That is basically asking people to not be themselves, or rather, visibly themselves, because they might get beaten up ot murdered. You even gave an example of a murder to back up that claim.

So yes, you did say that disgusting thing, and yes, that was the message most people will read from it. If that wasnt what you meant, try to be clearer next time.

[State of Turelisa]

"I want the civil right to force people to be my wedding videographer."

Some civil right huh?

Also comparing religious Christians with the KKK? Stay classy, leftists.

Hating gay people isn't a Christian value, most Christians I know would hate being put under that label.

But try telling homosexuals that. Try, try and try again. Every time you get the accusation of hatred of levelled against you, which I think is projection. There are homosexuals who openly hate Christians because they blame us for encouraging attitudes which they believe are the basis for the criminal repugnancy with which they are continually treated by unfortunate people who really do hate them, and use this misnotion to excuse their hatred of us.

[San Lumen]

Hating gay people isn't a Christian value, most Christians I know would hate being put under that label.

But try telling homosexuals that. Try, try and try again. Every time you get the accusation of hatred of levelled against you, which I think is projection. There are homosexuals who openly hate Christians because they blame us for encouraging attitudes which they believe been the basis for the repugnancy with which they are continually treated by unfortunate people who really do hate them, and use this misnotion to excuse their hatred of us.

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

[State of Turelisa]

But try telling homosexuals that. Try, try and try again. Every time you get the accusation of hatred of levelled against you, which I think is projection. There are homosexuals who openly hate Christians because they blame us for encouraging attitudes which they believe been the basis for the repugnancy with which they are continually treated by unfortunate people who really do hate them, and use this misnotion to excuse their hatred of us.

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

[Cordel One]

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

They should be able to love who they love without any fear.

[Atheris]

That's such bullshit.

"Dont be yourself because other people might pick you up and murder you."

What a disgusting thing to say. Setting aside the fact you call homosexuality a "perversity," you are shifting the blame off discriminatory assholes and on to the LGBTQ community.

I didn't say that 'disgusting thing to say'. That quote isn't even a paraphrase of what I said.

No, that's exactly what I saw, too. Would do you good to clarify.

[San Lumen]

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

discretion in what way? Should discretion be in all public places?

[Mannixa Prime]

I’m sure the people behind that company are just a blast at parties.


But yeah homophobia has no place in a civilized society obviously.

[Atheris]

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

Alright. Let me just discreetly show that I'm asexual.

*hangs huge asexual pride flag out my window*
*puts on asexual pride color clothes*
*dyes hair purple, white, and black*

"HEY GUYS I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM AROMANTIC AND ASEXUAL! THIS IS NOT A FACT I AM PUTTING OUT IN THE OPEN, THOUGH! I AM BEING VERY DISCREET ABOUT BEING IN THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY!"

[Mannixa Prime]

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

Straight people are not discrete with their love. Christians are not discrete when they spout nonsense that goes against science and common sense.

Why should we be discrete?

[Ors Might]

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

Straight people are not discrete with their love. Christians are not discrete when they spout nonsense that goes against science and common sense.

Why should we be discrete?

You could argue straight folk should be discrete. PDA is kinda discourteous to those around you, unless they’re those that’re okay with PDA.

[Mannixa Prime]

Straight people are not discrete with their love. Christians are not discrete when they spout nonsense that goes against science and common sense.

Why should we be discrete?

You could argue straight folk should be discrete. PDA is kinda discourteous to those around you, unless they’re those that’re okay with PDA.

What do you consider PDA? You realize most couples are not making out in public correct or going to the next level.

Literally no one says anything if a straight couple kiss or hold hands but the minute a gay guy does it the purity police come out. Lol

[Cordel One]

You could argue straight folk should be discrete. PDA is kinda discourteous to those around you, unless they’re those that’re okay with PDA.

What do you consider PDA? You realize most couples are not making out in public correct or going to the next level.

Literally no one says anything if a straight couple kiss or hold hands but the minute a gay guy does it the purity police come out. Lol

That's true, but at the same time why are you so sympathetic to fascism when you believe this>

[Juristonia]

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

Alternatively, fuck virtue and fuck discretion.

[The Alma Mater]

Why do you think all lgbt people ought to hide who they are and keep their relationships secret because of the actions of a few horrible people?

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

So not visiting eachother in hospital is a virtue ?

[Mannixa Prime]

What do you consider PDA? You realize most couples are not making out in public correct or going to the next level.

Literally no one says anything if a straight couple kiss or hold hands but the minute a gay guy does it the purity police come out. Lol

That's true, but at the same time why are you so sympathetic to fascism when you believe this>

Short answer is my beliefs are complicated and not easily defined. That might be a bit dramatic to say I’m sympathetic to that but this is thread jacking.

[Cordel One]

Not hide. Discretion. It's a virtue.

Alternatively, fuck virtue and fuck discretion.

Especially when you're getting married.

That's true, but at the same time why are you so sympathetic to fascism when you believe this>

Short answer is my beliefs are complicated and not easily defined. That might be a bit dramatic to say I’m sympathetic to that but this is thread jacking.

It would only be threadjacking if I planned to have a conversation about it.

[Ors Might]

You could argue straight folk should be discrete. PDA is kinda discourteous to those around you, unless they’re those that’re okay with PDA.

What do you consider PDA? You realize most couples are not making out in public correct or going to the next level.

Literally no one says anything if a straight couple kiss or hold hands but the minute a gay guy does it the purity police come out. Lol

I am probably not the best one to define PDA, in all honesty. I have a crippling fear of intimacy so what I consider PDA might be a bit overkill compared to what others might define it.

You ain’t wrong that there’s a double standard. But there being a double standard doesn’t mean there isn’t a valid point to be made that straight couples tend to be overly affectionate in public. Though that might be my being used to “discretion” talking. Easier to find publicly displaying your orientation distasteful when hiding your own orientation is the default for you.