Ontario Same-Sex Couple Denied Videography for Gay Wedding

[New haven america]

1. You decided to be friends with struggling artists.
2. I see the right's trend of unoriginality continues in every facet of life.

1. Fair enough. Hang out with degens, learn things about degens.
2. I am only right in the sense that I’m correct in all things. 3. Beyond that, I resent this remark and will be pushing for the legalization of dueling so that I might correct this wrong.

1. So you're a furry now, huh.
2. We know from past threads that this is an inaccurate claim by most measures.
3. Can't even come up with your own form of 1 on 1 combat, you need to steal shit from the Victorian Era.

[-Ra-]

Because serving gay people may be retrograde to their religious beliefs, and forcing them to condone same-sex couples and same-sex activities would be a violation of their religious freedom.


Not really about hating gay people. It's about staying true to one's religious convictions.

You can believe that but you dont have a right to impose it on others.

You can be gay but you do not have the right to expect non-essential services to accommodate you if they hold sincerely-held religious beliefs against same-sex couples and relations, especially for a service like wedding videography that is just a glut. You have the right to patronise other businesses, and I'm sure there are others who would accept you.

[Ors Might]

1. Fair enough. Hang out with degens, learn things about degens.
2. I am only right in the sense that I’m correct in all things. 3. Beyond that, I resent this remark and will be pushing for the legalization of dueling so that I might correct this wrong.

1. So you're a furry now, huh.
2. We know from past threads that this is an inaccurate claim by most measures.
3. Can't even come up with your own form of 1 on 1 combat, you need to steal shit from the Victorian Era.

1. Now you’ve gone too far.
2. I’ve declared my correctness in those threads so those measures are wrong.
3. I’m American, we’re not gonna be dueling with pansy ass Victorian Era weapons. We’re dueling with tanks, motherfucker.

[San Lumen]

You can believe that but you dont have a right to impose it on others.

You can be gay but you do not have the right to expect non-essential services to accommodate you if they hold sincerely-held religious beliefs against same-sex couples and relations, especially for a service like wedding videography that is just a glut. You have the right to patronise other businesses, and I'm sure there are others who would accept you.

So if a gay couple goes to a hotel they should have to wonder if it their reservation will be honored?

[-Ra-]

You can be gay but you do not have the right to expect non-essential services to accommodate you if they hold sincerely-held religious beliefs against same-sex couples and relations, especially for a service like wedding videography that is just a glut. You have the right to patronise other businesses, and I'm sure there are others who would accept you.

So if a gay couple goes to a hotel they should have to wonder if it their reservation will be honored?

Unless they've prepaid or cannot reasonably find any other safe lodging, then yes.

There could be other options as well. A hotel could split the couple up in different rooms if they are uncomfortable with the couple sleeping together.

[Dresderstan]

1. So you're a furry now, huh.
2. We know from past threads that this is an inaccurate claim by most measures.
3. Can't even come up with your own form of 1 on 1 combat, you need to steal shit from the Victorian Era.

1. Now you’ve gone too far.
2. I’ve declared my correctness in those threads so those measures are wrong.
3. I’m American, we’re not gonna be dueling with pansy ass Victorian Era weapons. We’re dueling with tanks, motherfucker.

Fuck tanks, Aerial duel FTW!

[San Lumen]

So if a gay couple goes to a hotel they should have to wonder if it their reservation will be honored?

Unless they've prepaid or cannot reasonably find any other safe lodging, then yes.

There could be other options as well. A hotel could split the couple up in different rooms if they are uncomfortable with the couple sleeping together.

Why? Its a business contract they are breaking

They should not have that right.

[Ors Might]

1. Now you’ve gone too far.
2. I’ve declared my correctness in those threads so those measures are wrong.
3. I’m American, we’re not gonna be dueling with pansy ass Victorian Era weapons. We’re dueling with tanks, motherfucker.

Fuck tanks, Aerial duel FTW!

Get the fuck off my battlefield.

[Novus America]

Because serving gay people may be retrograde to their religious beliefs, and forcing them to condone same-sex couples and same-sex activities would be a violation of their religious freedom.


Not really about hating gay people. It's about staying true to one's religious convictions.

You can believe that but you dont have a right to impose it on others.

Indeed. So why should endorsing your religious belief be imposed on the photographer?

[-Ra-]

Unless they've prepaid or cannot reasonably find any other safe lodging, then yes.

There could be other options as well. A hotel could split the couple up in different rooms if they are uncomfortable with the couple sleeping together.

Why? Its a business contract they are breaking

They should not have that right.

What business contract are they breaking?

I just told you that if the couple has pre-paid, then they should be expected to stay.

[San Lumen]

Why? Its a business contract they are breaking

They should not have that right.

What business contract are they breaking?

I just told you that if the couple has pre-paid, then they should be expected to stay.

You make a reservation it should be honored

Why should they have the right to order them to sleep in separate rooms?

[Novus America]

Unless they've prepaid or cannot reasonably find any other safe lodging, then yes.

There could be other options as well. A hotel could split the couple up in different rooms if they are uncomfortable with the couple sleeping together.

Why? Its a business contract they are breaking

They should not have that right.

The photographer never entered into a contract though.

Also you almost always have a right to break a contract, just that you have to compensate the non breaching party for any damages they suffered.

[-Ra-]

What business contract are they breaking?

I just told you that if the couple has pre-paid, then they should be expected to stay.

You make a reservation it should be honored

Why should they have the right to order them to sleep in separate rooms?

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

[San Lumen]

You make a reservation it should be honored

Why should they have the right to order them to sleep in separate rooms?

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

So a hotel should be able to deny a reservation on a whim?

Why should they be able to order a gay couple to sleep in separate rooms?

[Telconi]

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

So a hotel should be able to deny a reservation on a whim?

Why should they be able to order a gay couple to sleep in separate rooms?

You do realize they can actually deny a reservation on a whim, right?

[-Ra-]

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

So a hotel should be able to deny a reservation on a whim?

Why should they be able to order a gay couple to sleep in separate rooms?

As long as it's not paid or not an exclusive resort situation wherein a person cannot conceivably find shelter elsewhere, then they absolutely have the right to deny service.

Because it's their property and they have the right to set conditions as to how you can use their property. If they don't want two people in a room together, that's their right.

[Ors Might]

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

So a hotel should be able to deny a reservation on a whim?

Why should they be able to order a gay couple to sleep in separate rooms?

Hotels already are able to deny reservations, as are all other business that have reservations. They aren’t legally binding contracts.

[Novus America]

You make a reservation it should be honored

Why should they have the right to order them to sleep in separate rooms?

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

Actually not all contracts require a signature. They require an offer, acceptance, and consideration.
If you pay a down payment with the reservation it is a contract.

But if you do not pay it probably is not a contract because you offered no consideration.

[San Lumen]

So a hotel should be able to deny a reservation on a whim?

Why should they be able to order a gay couple to sleep in separate rooms?

As long as it's not paid or not an exclusive resort situation wherein a person cannot conceivably find shelter elsewhere, then they absolutely have the right to deny service.

Because it's their property and they have the right to set conditions as to how you can use their property. If they don't want two people in a room together, that's their right.

If they did that i think they would have grounds for a lawsuit and they would probably win in court?

[-Ra-]

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

Actually not all contracts require a signature. They require an offer, acceptance, and consideration.
If you pay a down payment with the reservation it is a contract.

But if you do not pay it probably is not a contract because you offered no consideration.

In terms of down payments, you are incorrect. You only pay a downpayment when you sign the purchase contract, which stipulates what the down payment is.

[Greed and Death]

A reservation is not a business contract lmao. A contract is binding by signature and legally enforcible. A reservation is not. If a skinhead walks into a hotel with a reservation, the hotel staff have every right to deny him service.

So a hotel should be able to deny a reservation on a whim?

Why should they be able to order a gay couple to sleep in separate rooms?

A hotel rooms by their nature are not custom made for everyone staying the night. Even before nondiscrimination laws Hotels were covered as common carriers and were required to provide a legally valid reason to deny service.

[State of Turelisa]

Personally I believe that non-essential businesses (so those that aren't groceries, health services, etc.) should have the absolute right to choose whom they wish to serve.

However, I support making race and sex protected distinctions because no one can choose to not present as black and no one can choose not to present as a woman. You do not have to present as gay or as a gay couple. Doing so is your choice.

Why should they have that right?

Why should gay and lesbian couples have to hide the fact they are gay?

Discretion is the better part of valour. Visible queerness isn't a brave or intelligent way to behave in a world where shallow emotivism manifests in physically violent and even lethal reactions to perversity in public.
Witness the murder of Matthew Shepherd, murdered in a robbery by men whom he believed were 'picking him up' in a bar for a homosexual encounter. His open homosexuality was the factor in the gratuitous and terminal level of violence which was inflicted upon him.

[San Lumen]

Why should they have that right?

Why should gay and lesbian couples have to hide the fact they are gay?

Discretion is the better part of valour. Visible queerness isn't a brave or intelligent way to behave in a world where shallow emotivism manifests in physically violent and even lethal reactions to perversity in public.
Witness the murder of Matthew Shepherd, murdered in a robbery by men whom he believed were 'picking him up' in a bar for a homosexual encounter. His open homosexuality was the factor in the gratuitous and terminal level of violence which was indicted upon him.

What is visible queerness? All LGBT out to hide who they are because someone might do something?

What happened to Shepherd was horrible and as a result the hate crimes law was changed. Are you really going to use one example of despicable cruelty and hate as a reason all LGBT should remain closeted?

[State of Turelisa]

Discretion is the better part of valour. Visible queerness isn't a brave or intelligent way to behave in a world where shallow emotivism manifests in physically violent and even lethal reactions to perversity in public.
Witness the murder of Matthew Shepherd, murdered in a robbery by men whom he believed were 'picking him up' in a bar for a homosexual encounter. His open homosexuality was the factor in the gratuitous and terminal level of violence which was indicted upon him.

What is visible queerness? All LGBT out to hide who they are because someone might do something?

What happened to Shepherd was horrible and as a result the hate crimes law was changed. Are you really going to use one example of despicable cruelty and hate as a reason all LGBT should remain closeted?

You must be the only homosexual who isn't familiar with the phrase, and since you're obviously a worldly man, I must suspect disingenuousness.

[San Lumen]

What is visible queerness? All LGBT out to hide who they are because someone might do something?

What happened to Shepherd was horrible and as a result the hate crimes law was changed. Are you really going to use one example of despicable cruelty and hate as a reason all LGBT should remain closeted?

You must be the only homosexual who isn't familiar with the phrase, and since you're obviously a worldly man, I must suspect disingenuousness.

I asked you to define it. That doesn’t answer my other two inquiries