Ontario Same-Sex Couple Denied Videography for Gay Wedding

[Vassenor]

People of color in the south should have just gone elsewhere too right?

What equivalency are you even trying to make here? What too? (I never saw MGTOWia saying anyone should leave.) People of color when and why?

People seem to think that "they could've gone elsewhere" makes discrimination OK. We're just applying that to the "NO COLORED" era.

[The Alma Mater]

If an artist does not wish to create art about a specific subject that is their right.

Had they been sellers of photocameras otoh they should be sued for discrimination if they refused to sell.

[The Alma Mater]

What equivalency are you even trying to make here? What too? (I never saw MGTOWia saying anyone should leave.) People of color when and why?

People seem to think that "they could've gone elsewhere" makes discrimination OK. We're just applying that to the "NO COLORED" era.

It does for commissioned work. If I do not wish to take your commission because I dislike your religion, skincolour, gender, grade point average or whatever you should not be able to force me.

[Salus Maior]

Why don't they just find another company?

Save literally everyone a great deal of stress and effort.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

The couple should be arrested and charged with discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, their company shut down, and its assets seized by the government. You do not turn blacks away. You do not turn LGBT people away. You do not turn men, Christians, or conservative, MAGA-cap-wearing Trump supporters away. Canada must adopt a zero-tolerance policy toward discrimination of any kind, both in the public and private sectors. Either you serve the gay couple or you withhold your services to all and sundry. This also applies to social media platforms censoring conservatives for going against woke leftist ideology.

They are free to voice their disapproval of homosexuality. They should not be free to act on those views by engaging in blatant discrimination. I will defend the couple and their business against any attempt at cancellation on the first point. I will not do so on the second.

[Vassenor]

If an artist does not wish to create art about a specific subject that is their right.

Had they been sellers of photocameras otoh they should be sued for discrimination if they refused to sell.

Anti-discrimination laws in that province apply to provision of services as well as goods.

PART I
FREEDOM FROM DISCRIMINATION
Services
1 Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, marital status, family status or disability. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 1; 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (1); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c. 5, s. 32 (1); 2012, c. 7, s. 1.

[Salus Maior]

If an artist does not wish to create art about a specific subject that is their right.

Had they been sellers of photocameras otoh they should be sued for discrimination if they refused to sell.

Anti-discrimination laws in that province apply to provision of services as well as goods.

PART I
FREEDOM FROM DISCRIMINATION
Services
1 Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, marital status, family status or disability. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 1; 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (1); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c. 5, s. 32 (1); 2012, c. 7, s. 1.

Then I'd argue that the broad definition of "services" is unjust and is infringing on peoples' free speech.

Why should people be forced to make art of something they're morally opposed too? Should Racial Supremacists also not be denied service?

[Vassenor]

Anti-discrimination laws in that province apply to provision of services as well as goods.

Then I'd argue that the broad definition of "services" is unjust and is infringing on peoples' free speech.

Why should people be forced to make art of something they're morally opposed too? Should Racial Supremacists also not be denied service?

Slippery Slope argument. Everybody drink.

[Salus Maior]

Then I'd argue that the broad definition of "services" is unjust and is infringing on peoples' free speech.

Why should people be forced to make art of something they're morally opposed too? Should Racial Supremacists also not be denied service?

Slippery Slope argument. Everybody drink.

It's not slippery slope, it's literally the law as is.

Can someone legally under this definition be able to say no to, say, being hired to photograph a Klan rally? Does a person's own held principles not matter when it comes to who they associate with?

[The Free Joy State]

On services: while people have the right to refuse to sell services, it is discriminatory -- and, in some jurisdictions (but I'm not sure about Ontario), illegal -- to do so based on protected characteristics (such as gender, sexuality, race, etc). So, the videographers certainly should not have refused service here (had they said "I do not travel to X-district", "I do not work on X-day", no problem).

That said, I personally think making your displeasure known by boycotting discriminatory service is usually enough.

As for the officiant -- where same-sex marriage is legal, performing them is part of an officiant's expected duties. Those who don't perform their duties should have their license revoked.

Both instances were clearly examples of homophobia. I only hope this couple manages to get the wedding they're hoping for -- especially after COVID disrupted so many things.

[Vassenor]

Slippery Slope argument. Everybody drink.

It's not slippery slope, it's literally the law as is.

Can someone legally under this definition be able to say no to, say, being hired to photograph a Klan rally? Does a person's own held principles not matter when it comes to who they associate with?

So which of the listed protected characteristics does saying no to the Klan fall under?

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

What equivalency are you even trying to make here? What too? (I never saw MGTOWia saying anyone should leave.) People of color when and why?

People seem to think that "they could've gone elsewhere" makes discrimination OK. We're just applying that to the "NO COLORED" era.

Choice makes discrimination okay. Going elsewhere is trying to be helpful.

[Nuroblav]

Legally I'd say it's fine - if the photographers don't want to do so, then that's their choice. But it seems rather childish for them to turn them away from my perspective - it's not as if filming a gay wedding is going to scar you for life or cause a great deal of suffering. Even if you don't support it, I don't see why filming it is going against your morals.

[Andsed]

Why don't they just find another company?

Save literally everyone a great deal of stress and effort.

They did. In their statement they did say they were going to find someone else. They were just expressing their displeasure with the incident.

[Sarderia]

Leave them a million negative reviews, see how they like their upstanding position.

On the other hand, sad to say you can't force people to do something.

Of course, nothing wrong with making it look like it's a dirty disgusting move, which it is.

To all you lovely alt-right types: imagine being shunned and denied for being who you are and your beliefs, except it actually didn't hurt anyone physically or emotionally.

Thankfully, it's nobody's actual religious belief to shun you for being white unless it's some kind of religious cult. But unfortunately for minorities, intolerant, ignorant Christians are a dime a dozen.

It's so easy to blame Christians, doesn't it? How about the discriminations towards non-binary people in the Middle East, where there was even cases of stoning there? There are Gay pastors and priests in Christianity. Not every Christian is a close-minded, homophobic bigot - there are Churches that legitimize and celebrate gay marriage. But blaming Christians, instead of the clear culprit here (read: ignorant homophobic bigots that deserve bad review for their discriminating behaviour) isn't the solution.

[Greed and Death]

If an artist does not wish to create art about a specific subject that is their right.

Had they been sellers of photocameras otoh they should be sued for discrimination if they refused to sell.

Anti-discrimination laws in that province apply to provision of services as well as goods.

PART I
FREEDOM FROM DISCRIMINATION
Services
1 Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, marital status, family status or disability. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 1; 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (1); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c. 5, s. 32 (1); 2012, c. 7, s. 1.

But the anti discrimination law is subject to Section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm not homophobic, I'm just not willing to risk the new lens on my camera. It's homophobic and gays kissing might break it. Well that's right, but the manufacturer won't take it back, says it's my fault for mistreating the lens. Which is ridiculous, I'm quite sure they're discriminating against me for my religion. Wouldn't they rather have a gay photographer anyway?

[Greed and Death]

It's not slippery slope, it's literally the law as is.

Can someone legally under this definition be able to say no to, say, being hired to photograph a Klan rally? Does a person's own held principles not matter when it comes to who they associate with?

So which of the listed protected characteristics does saying no to the Klan fall under?

Many Klan groups are registered as religious organizations.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If an artist does not wish to create art about a specific subject that is their right.

Had they been sellers of photocameras otoh they should be sued for discrimination if they refused to sell.

If you make that loophole official, I think lawyers could get a house through it. Art could be just about any physical thing, and a great many services.

[The Emerald Legion]

Remember guys, businesses are allowed to serve and discriminate against whoever they want. Unless of course you're supposed to do things like wear a mask in public and aren't allowed in a place of business otherwise, in which case that's counted as infringing on your civil rights.

Is this something that applies more to America than Canada? Yeah. Are there people on both sides of the border who would argue for the former and the latter? Yes as well.

I mean. Honestly, I kind of hope we get to keep wearing masks in perpetuity.

[Picairn]

My opinion on this is the same as the one on the same-sex wedding cake: Businesses have the right to choose who to serve. Should a business be forced to video a Klan rally or make a cake with the words "Death to the n****rs" written on it?

[San Lumen]

My opinion on this is the same as the one on the same-sex wedding cake: Businesses have the right to choose who to serve. Should a business be forced to video a Klan rally or make a cake with the words "Death to the n****rs" written on it?

So people in southern United States should have just said oh well and gone elsewhere or moved?

[San Lumen]

Remember guys, businesses are allowed to serve and discriminate against whoever they want. Unless of course you're supposed to do things like wear a mask in public and aren't allowed in a place of business otherwise, in which case that's counted as infringing on your civil rights.

Is this something that applies more to America than Canada? Yeah. Are there people on both sides of the border who would argue for the former and the latter? Yes as well.

I mean. Honestly, I kind of hope we get to keep wearing masks in perpetuity.

It won’t be mandated forever

[Picairn]

So people in southern United States should have just said oh well and gone elsewhere or moved?

So do you support businesses being forced to bake a cake with the words: "Death to the n****rs" written on it?

[San Lumen]

So people in southern United States should have just said oh well and gone elsewhere or moved?

So do you support businesses being forced to bake a cake with the words: "Death to the n****rs" written on it?

No and you didn’t answer my question. Plus who would want a cake like that?