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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:57 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:is that what he claimed was posted? That's pretty tame.

Oh no, it's not what he claimed now. He has given very little detail about what upset him this time. But it is something he got pissed about in the past.

In a letter to the town of Bryant Pond, a town in Oxford County, Carlson had expressed interest in buying the old town garage next to the town’s library and turning it into a studio with room enough for an audience, according to the Sun Journal, which first reported Carlson’s plans.

“I’d be responsible for buying and repairing the building,” he said in the letter, which the Sun Journal quoted. Carlson offered to buy the garage for $30,000, and said Fox “has agreed to install an advanced, broadcast-level studio if we get it.”

But now Carlson told the Sun Journal the publicity has spoiled the plans and that Fox doesn’t want to leave expensive broadcasting equipment in a rural studio whose presence has been widely publicized.

Carlson described himself as "bitter" and "crushed" and called the news report a "total violation of my privacy."

“I can’t have the building now,” Carlson told the Sun Journal. “I’m kind of crushed.”

Huh. Seems pretty easily butthurt.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:01 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Oh no, it's not what he claimed now. He has given very little detail about what upset him this time. But it is something he got pissed about in the past.

In a letter to the town of Bryant Pond, a town in Oxford County, Carlson had expressed interest in buying the old town garage next to the town’s library and turning it into a studio with room enough for an audience, according to the Sun Journal, which first reported Carlson’s plans.

“I’d be responsible for buying and repairing the building,” he said in the letter, which the Sun Journal quoted. Carlson offered to buy the garage for $30,000, and said Fox “has agreed to install an advanced, broadcast-level studio if we get it.”

But now Carlson told the Sun Journal the publicity has spoiled the plans and that Fox doesn’t want to leave expensive broadcasting equipment in a rural studio whose presence has been widely publicized.

Carlson described himself as "bitter" and "crushed" and called the news report a "total violation of my privacy."

“I can’t have the building now,” Carlson told the Sun Journal. “I’m kind of crushed.”

Huh. Seems pretty easily butthurt.

indeed. I should have added that he did end up buying the place, after voters in Woodstock approved the sale in November of last year.

I don't see an immediate connection, but it is interesting that the journalist he attacked works out of Maine, where he owns property...
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Postby Steppe Khanate » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:00 pm

This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:07 pm

Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Except they never did this.
And there's no actual evidence that they were ever going to do this.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:07 pm

Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Ashamed of the thing that didn't happen?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Ashamed of the thing that didn't happen?

Aren't you ashamed of that time you didn't run over that innocent family crossing the street?

I have it on the good authority of your ex that you were planning to...
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Postby Kowani » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:11 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Ashamed of the thing that didn't happen?

Aren't you ashamed of that time you didn't run over that innocent family crossing the street?

I have it on the good authority of your ex that you were planning to...

Jokes on her, I take public transportation. :p
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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:44 pm

Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Do you still believe in Carlson's lie?
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:51 pm

1) Carlson was inveighing against a story that wasn’t even close to publication. As Spinski tells the Erik Wemple Blog, he was planning to visit the town in which Carlson films his show on Tuesday morning, a day after Carlson’s segment. So Spinski hadn’t photographed anything yet. “The story would be about this community, this rural community in Maine that is very small, very rural and very kind of Americana and happens to be the location of this massively popular cable news show,” says Spinski.

2) Carlson managed to convince his audience that Carpenter-Spinski would dox him, while he knew there was no such plan. Though the host said that the Times would focus on the “location” of his home, he suggested something more concrete with his accusations against the two freelancers: “So how would Murray Carpenter and his photographer Tristan Spinski feel if we told you where they live? If we put pictures of their homes on the air?” he said. “What if we publicize the home address of every one of the soulless robot editors at the New York Times who assigned and managed this incitement to violence against my family?”

Sources at the Times, however, insist that assurances were made to Fox News in at least two separate conversations that the newspaper wouldn’t either publish Carlson’s address or photograph his home. Those assurances were delivered before Monday night’s segment on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” A directive on Monday afternoon from a Times editor instructed Spinski and Carpenter not to photograph the residence.

According to a source at the paper, there was even a pledge that the story wouldn’t publish certain details about Carlson’s setup that had already been made public elsewhere. GQ and media outlets in Maine had reported many details about Carlson’s love of the Oxford County town where he has spent just about all his summers. That reporting includes the story of his purchase of an Oxford County garage — located “down the road” from his residence — to house his summertime “Tucker Carlson Tonight” studio.

3) Neither Carpenter nor Spinski specialized in the sort of reporting that would endanger Carlson’s family, or anyone’s family. With 25 years in the business, Carpenter in recent years has written about the evolution of the hard hat, feeding grounds for whales, a media bigwig in Maine, the movement of women into the lobster industry in Maine and mice brains. Yet Carlson, in one of those stunning fabrications of his, called Carpenter a “political activist.”

As for Spinski, sample this bit from his personal website: “Tristan earned his master’s degree in journalism from UC Berkeley, and much of his work examines the intersections between people and the landscape.” Point being, Spinski wouldn’t engage in a doxing expedition even if that’s what the Times had requested. “I’m not a paparazzi detail. I do not treat people that way,” says Spinski, who had no intention of photographing Carlson’s home. “The only thing I’ve ever stalked was a bird in West Africa and I didn’t find it,” he says, referring to a killer assignment in search of the grey-necked picathartes for Audubon magazine.

4) The preemptive strike against the Times came on the same day as a federal sexual harassment suit was filed against Fox News, one that included allegations against Carlson. The previous week, the host had attempted to talk his way out of a scandal over the racist scribblings on a hate site of the former top writer for “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” Never underestimate the distractive value of a slam against the Times.

In a statement, Carlson said, “Some of my children stay in the building the New York Times planned to photograph. The paper was aware of this, because I told them. They didn’t care. Their story, like the one you’re writing now, had nothing to do with covering the news. It was an attempt to intimidate and incite violence against my family for political reasons. It’s disgusting.” The building to which Carlson refers here is presumably the garage that he bought to house his remote studio. When a Maine newspaper reported on the host’s plans for the garage, he claimed the story violated his privacy. “I’m kind of bitter about it,” Carlson said of the Sun Journal’s work.

Steve Collins, who covered the story for the Sun Journal, told Poynter that Carlson harbored suspicions about his motives: “He repeatedly insisted that he was sure I was out to get him — just another Democrat doing a hit piece — but he listened respectfully to my take on it.”

Moving the discussion to the “building” represents an evolution in Carlson’s story, considering that on Monday he left his audience with the impression that the Times was after his residence. A Times spokesperson issued this statement about the “building”:

The Times had been speaking with Fox News communications staff about the article for several days, and had assured them we did not plan to photograph his residence or publish its address. It was only a few hours before the broadcast on Monday night that Carlson mentioned to us that some of his children sometimes stay in the studio in town where he broadcasts his show. At that point we had not photographed anything and were still engaged in discussions, internally and with Fox News communications staff, about the potential article.

Whatever the state of discussions, photos of the garage/building/studio have already appeared in the media.
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Dean Baquet, executive editor of the Times, has spent a chunk of this week managing the dislocation caused by Carlson’s misleading segment. He told this blog:

He misled his viewers into believing we would publish his address when he was aware that we had no intention of doing so and when the network was specifically told we would not reveal his home. Many wrongly think that we did publish his address and even a picture of his house. It inspired the exact same kind of personal harassment against others which he so indignantly and falsely claimed to be a victim of himself. Hours after the broadcast someone attempted to break into the home of a photographer who doesn’t even know where Carlson lives and his followers have waged an attack on people who have nothing to do with the story. And if he has any honor and if Fox has any honor, they will admit they were wrong.

Based on Carlson’s broadcast, says Baquet, some folks messaged him in the belief that the Times had already published Carlson’s private information. He wrote back to some of the detractors, “some of whom, when I explained to them that we never ran a photograph or address, were stunned.” As for Spinski, Baquet noted, “this guy was about to do his job, he didn’t even get a chance to do his job.”

Maine journalists under siege after false accusations from Fox News’s Tucker Carlson

The idea that the NYT had any plans to dox Carlson is shot down yet again, since we now have more details about what the report was supposed to be about.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:52 pm

Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Except that they didn't and the only 'source' is Tucker Carlson claiming they did.
Tucker Carlson is a liar.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Except that they didn't and the only 'source' is Tucker Carlson claiming they did.
Tucker Carlson is a liar.

Perhaps the most repeated sentence in this entire thread. Which says a lot about how the OP is crafted.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:20 pm

Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves


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Indeed. I'm not sure how this thread got to 18 pages when it's basically; 'This guy said that a rival media company is going to doxx him, turns out guy is lying and everything is ok.' I was suspicious when the OP's only source was a youtube video.

Mostly people reading the title and taking it at face value and then people who bothered to dig into it correcting them, with a couple arguments from OP about why Tucker is tooootally trustworthy and the damn LIEberal media is lying for... some reason.


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Postby Steppe Khanate » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:26 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Steppe Khanate wrote:This is terrible. Even though I disagree with him on everything, no one deserves to be doxxed and harassed, and especially not their families. NYT should be ashamed of themselves

Do you still believe in Carlson's lie?

Huh just found out it was fake. I read the title and believed OP, I should know not to take thread titles on this website seriously :p
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:43 pm

Steppe Khanate wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:Do you still believe in Carlson's lie?

Huh just found out it was fake. I read the title and believed OP, I should know not to take thread titles on this website seriously :p

Yeah just double check the thread OP and the source and if something seems off, then it definitely is off.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:44 pm

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Steppe Khanate wrote:Huh just found out it was fake. I read the title and believed OP, I should know not to take thread titles on this website seriously :p

Yeah just double check the thread OP and the source and if something seems off, then it definitely is off.

This is exactly why the site should appoint fact-checkers that can pin warnings of falsehood to the top of these threads
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:46 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Yeah just double check the thread OP and the source and if something seems off, then it definitely is off.

This is exactly why the site should appoint fact-checkers that can pin warnings of falsehood to the top of these threads

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:This is exactly why the site should appoint fact-checkers that can pin warnings of falsehood to the top of these threads

That's what we depend on you folks for.

Calling out falsehoods and lies is one thing. Of course it's tiring to keep on doing so over and over again with a misleading OP and title still up, still fooling some people.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:58 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:That's what we depend on you folks for.

Calling out falsehoods and lies is one thing. Of course it's tiring to keep on doing so over and over again with a misleading OP and title still up, still fooling some people.

Welcome to our world.

You do make a good point, however. Let me bring it up to the Team.

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