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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:42 pm

The New York Times is already a poster child for bad journalism, up there with OANN and BuzzFeed, whether or not Carlson’s allegations are true, the NYT has gone off the deep end lately. I’d rather read WaPo articles
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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:52 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:The New York Times is already a poster child for bad journalism, up there with OANN and BuzzFeed, whether or not Carlson’s allegations are true, the NYT has gone off the deep end lately. I’d rather read WaPo articles


Nothing but fails over at that liberal propaganda station, FOX News, too.

They even fired a man just for being racist. Whatever happened to free speech.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:00 pm

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Liriena wrote:OP has repeatedly ignored my suggestion that he does so. He's chosen to die on the hill of Carlson's lie.

Which raises a serious problem with General as a forum: when an OP tells a juicy lie, or falls for somebody else's juicy lie, there really isn't a lot the rest of us can do to correct that and keep other posters from falling for that lie.

They should make mod positions for fact checkers.

Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:03 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:They should make mod positions for fact checkers.

Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.

Well, it can be in some circumstances.
But I do think the title/OP of some threads with blatant misinfo should be able to be modified. Like, even just changing this to "NYT accused of planning to doxx TC" would be a major step up from the bias inherent in the current title.
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Postby The Yeetusa » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:04 pm

This is another example of news being political. News should be NEWS, not opinions. Stuff like "oh left/right wing is bad because [insert opinions here] is really stupid.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:06 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.

Well, it can be in some circumstances.
But I do think the title/OP of some threads with blatant misinfo should be able to be modified. Like, even just changing this to "NYT accused of planning to doxx TC" would be a major step up from the bias inherent in the current title.

Fair enough. But with maybe the exception of Covid, it seems like lying and biases aren’t banned. Besides, the site itself holds some level of bias, and even the mods have opinions (albeit separate from their role). What I like about NS is precisely that the mods aren’t biased.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:06 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:They should make mod positions for fact checkers.

Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.

Not fact-checkers that punish people, just ones that can put notifications up that something is fake on the post
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:07 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Liriena wrote:OP has repeatedly ignored my suggestion that he does so. He's chosen to die on the hill of Carlson's lie.

Which raises a serious problem with General as a forum: when an OP tells a juicy lie, or falls for somebody else's juicy lie, there really isn't a lot the rest of us can do to correct that and keep other posters from falling for that lie.

They should make mod positions for fact checkers.


Not really needed. There are enough people here who will gladly call out the lie and post the fact checking sites.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:08 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.

Well, it can be in some circumstances.
But I do think the title/OP of some threads with blatant misinfo should be able to be modified. Like, even just changing this to "NYT accused of planning to doxx TC" would be a major step up from the bias inherent in the current title.

It's been crystal clear that Carlson lied about NYT doxing him. Maybe a lock on this thread would suffice since the OP hasn't updated the story with all the facts, let alone the title.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:09 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:They should make mod positions for fact checkers.


Not really needed. There are enough people here who will gladly call out the lie and post the fact checking sites.

And this thread has demonstrated that a lot of people will take the title at face value and post without having seen any of the numerous debunkings.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:09 pm

The Yeetusa wrote:This is another example of news being political. News should be NEWS, not opinions. Stuff like "oh left/right wing is bad because [insert opinions here] is really stupid.

How on Earth can News NOT be political? It’s inherently political by it’s very nature. It’s foolish to think one can report on a fundamentally political event from an apolitical standpoint. Asking news to be apolitical would be like asking musicians to make “silent music”.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Not really needed. There are enough people here who will gladly call out the lie and post the fact checking sites.

And this thread has demonstrated that a lot of people will take the title at face value and post without having seen any of the numerous debunkings.

Which is something of an inevitability anyway. Fact checkers or not, this is bound to happen.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Not really needed. There are enough people here who will gladly call out the lie and post the fact checking sites.

And this thread has demonstrated that a lot of people will take the title at face value and post without having seen any of the numerous debunkings.

A new thread with a less misleading title would do well to address the recent news of Carlson's lie.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:10 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The Yeetusa wrote:This is another example of news being political. News should be NEWS, not opinions. Stuff like "oh left/right wing is bad because [insert opinions here] is really stupid.

How on Earth can News NOT be political? It’s inherently political by it’s very nature. It’s foolish to think one can report on a fundamentally political event from an apolitical standpoint. Asking news to be apolitical would be like asking musicians to make “silent music”.

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Postby The Rich Port » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:11 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.

Not fact-checkers that punish people, just ones that can put notifications up that something is fake on the post


I wouldn't mind it, but I get the distinct feeling cons, especially Trump supporters, will just say that NationStates is therefore biased because they believe the "fake news" over partisan bullshit blogs and websites.

Better that they merely enforce the rules, they have it hard enough doing that as it is.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:11 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Why? Lying isn’t against the rules.

Not fact-checkers that punish people, just ones that can put notifications up that something is fake on the post

Sounds good, and on NS, I could support it, but anywhere else, it would be far too prone to abuse.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:12 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:Well, it can be in some circumstances.
But I do think the title/OP of some threads with blatant misinfo should be able to be modified. Like, even just changing this to "NYT accused of planning to doxx TC" would be a major step up from the bias inherent in the current title.

It's been crystal clear that Carlson lied about NYT doxing him. Maybe a lock on this thread would suffice since the OP hasn't updated the story with all the facts, let alone the title.


Well? It’s a dangerous path. How long before mods are asked to change an op because a person doesn’t like naughty words being used?

It’s really our job to challenge the lies and “shout down” the liar. Keep in mind; not all lies are intentional. Also, for many it takes maturity to be able to admit they were wrong.....
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:12 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:Not fact-checkers that punish people, just ones that can put notifications up that something is fake on the post


I wouldn't mind it, but I get the distinct feeling cons, especially Trump supporters, will just say that NationStates is therefore biased because they believe the "fake news" over partisan bullshit blogs and websites.

Better that they merely enforce the rules, they have it hard enough doing that as it is.

Everyone knows NS is biased already. Nothing new really.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:13 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:It's been crystal clear that Carlson lied about NYT doxing him. Maybe a lock on this thread would suffice since the OP hasn't updated the story with all the facts, let alone the title.


Well? It’s a dangerous path. How long before mods are asked to change an op because a person doesn’t like naughty words being used?

It’s really our job to challenge the lies and “shout down” the liar. Keep in mind; not all lies are intentional. Also, for many it takes maturity to be able to admit they were wrong.....

That is a legitimate concern, but if anyone would not abuse it, it would be Moderation. We aren’t Facebook or some shit.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:14 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Not really needed. There are enough people here who will gladly call out the lie and post the fact checking sites.

And this thread has demonstrated that a lot of people will take the title at face value and post without having seen any of the numerous debunkings.


Indeed. Critical thinking is a thing of the past. Some argued social media is to blame on that one.

The mods should be about the rules and dispensing punishment when needed. Fact checking? It’s easy to do. Why expect others to do it for you?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:It's been crystal clear that Carlson lied about NYT doxing him. Maybe a lock on this thread would suffice since the OP hasn't updated the story with all the facts, let alone the title.


Well? It’s a dangerous path. How long before mods are asked to change an op because a person doesn’t like naughty words being used?

It’s really our job to challenge the lies and “shout down” the liar. Keep in mind; not all lies are intentional. Also, for many it takes maturity to be able to admit they were wrong.....

To be fair, some people who posted here were under the false impression that the NYT actually doxed Carlson. However, I hate having to be a broken record when obvious lies are already called out.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:15 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Alcala-Cordel wrote:They should make mod positions for fact checkers.


Not really needed. There are enough people here who will gladly call out the lie and post the fact checking sites.

Look at the number of people in this thread who are ignoring that, though.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:16 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Well? It’s a dangerous path. How long before mods are asked to change an op because a person doesn’t like naughty words being used?

It’s really our job to challenge the lies and “shout down” the liar. Keep in mind; not all lies are intentional. Also, for many it takes maturity to be able to admit they were wrong.....

That is a legitimate concern, but if anyone would not abuse it, it would be Moderation. We aren’t Facebook or some shit.


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Postby Theberstan » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:17 pm

Slaughter None wrote:NYT acronym for the "New York Times" had hired Murray Carpenter, a reporter for the NYT to publish Fox News reporter Tucker Carlson's home address. This is clearly a way to threaten his family and de-base his platform. Here is a video of Tucker Carlson talking about it on his segment:-
https://youtu.be/b7IkxdLpJJg

Despite what you may think about his politics this is clearly a denouncable deed by the NYT. You don't have the right to silence your political opponents. What do you think?

EDIT:NYT has gone back on their decision to publish Tucker Carlson's home address after much backlash and also allege that they were never going to publish it.

That’s horrible. Hey libbies! How would you like it is a Fox News reporter gave out addresses of people that worked in CNN, NYT, etc. I think you would go absolutely bonkers.

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