The events in Portland & the plan to take it nationwide

[Liriena]

To the OP. This is not an insult. You need psychiatric help.

Who the fuck named you our resident mental health expert?

[Salus Maior]

Not really relevant to what I said but okay?

You're missing my point.

When the riots were going on (and I suppose still are) people were justifying the looting of businesses and the violence because of what the Police did, even though the things the rioteers were destroying had nothing to do with the police.

[Andsed]

Not really relevant to what I said but okay?

You're missing my point.

When the riots were going on (and I suppose still are) people were justifying the looting of businesses and the violence because of what the Police did, even though the things the rioteers were destroying had nothing to do with the police.

And I think those people were wrong. And is again not relevant to what I was saying aside from whataboutism.

[Salus Maior]

You're missing my point.

When the riots were going on (and I suppose still are) people were justifying the looting of businesses and the violence because of what the Police did, even though the things the rioteers were destroying had nothing to do with the police.

And I think those people were wrong. And is again not relevant to what I was saying aside from whataboutism.

I'm not saying either is good. I guess it's just ironic.

[Drew Durrnil]

Trump is a Nazi

[Liriena]

Thank the lord. These Commie Democrats have failed there citizens and let anarchists and communists take over our cities. It's the government's job to protect it's people from danger and preserve law and order. The Local and State Governments have failed, so now it's the Federal Government's responsibility to restore order and protect it's Citizenry.

God I want to live in the world you reactionaries think we live in.

[Christian Confederation]

Attacking a federal courthouse and attempting to burn it down is just cause to detaine people

There's a right and a wrong way to go about that.

Exactly. They need to flood the streets with Feds and local law enforcement and Arrest all the rioters and end it in one fell swoop

[Andsed]

And I think those people were wrong. And is again not relevant to what I was saying aside from whataboutism.

I'm not saying either is good. I guess it's just ironic.

Fair enough I guess? Though to be honest I find rioting and looting less concerning than what is happening here.

[Adamede]

Trump is a Nazi

The more that word is used to describe thing it isn't, the less meaning it has.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not saying either is good. I guess it's just ironic.

Fair enough I guess? Though to be honest I find rioting and looting less concerning than what is happening here.

It's all innocent people getting caught up in a radicalizing conflict. The more one side pushes, the more the other side does.

It's probably going to get worse from here.

[Liriena]

There's a right and a wrong way to go about that.

Exactly. They need to flood the streets with Feds and local law enforcement and Arrest all the rioters and end it in one fell swoop

American conservatives loooooove authoritarianism.

[Rusozak]

Fair enough I guess? Though to be honest I find rioting and looting less concerning than what is happening here.

It's all innocent people getting caught up in a radicalizing conflict. The more one side pushes, the more the other side does.

It's probably going to get worse from here.

And innocents caught up in these kinds of conflicts tend to become radicalized.

[Necroghastia]

There's a right and a wrong way to go about that.

Exactly. They need to flood the streets with Feds and local law enforcement and Arrest all the rioters and end it in one fell swoop

f in the chat for the first amendment i guess

[Andsed]

Fair enough I guess? Though to be honest I find rioting and looting less concerning than what is happening here.

It's all innocent people getting caught up in a radicalizing conflict. The more one side pushes, the more the other side does.

It's probably going to get worse from here.

With the governments reliance on these heavy handed tactics and refusal to actually enact law enforcement reforms and the anger that generates? It definitely is. The only longterm solution I see here is the government listening and enacting reform. But with current government action and the people in charge I doubt that is going to happen.

[Liriena]

Trump is a Nazi

Meh, he's a fashy boomer with mush for brains. He's doesn't have the attention span to commit to nazi ideology.

Stephen Miller is probably a nazi though.

[The Black Forrest]

There's a right and a wrong way to go about that.

Exactly. They need to flood the streets with Feds and local law enforcement and Arrest all the rioters and end it in one fell swoop

Why do you hate the Constitution?

[Adamede]

Exactly. They need to flood the streets with Feds and local law enforcement and Arrest all the rioters and end it in one fell swoop

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Because the Constitution and the Bill of Rights only apply to my team.

[Salus Maior]

It's all innocent people getting caught up in a radicalizing conflict. The more one side pushes, the more the other side does.

It's probably going to get worse from here.

With the governments reliance on these heavy handed tactics and refusal to actually enact law enforcement reforms and the anger that generates? It definitely is. The only longterm solution I see here is the government listening and enacting reform. But with current government action and the people in charge I doubt that is going to happen.

I agree the government has done wrong. But the left isn't much better imo.

They started riots across the country and caused loads of damage and have caused deaths with their irresponsibility, like with CHAZ for example. They've made themselves a threat that the government wants to take seriously, and this is why there's such a hard handed response.

[Eternal Cesken]

Trump is a Nazi

I wish he was

[Liriena]

Exactly. They need to flood the streets with Feds and local law enforcement and Arrest all the rioters and end it in one fell swoop

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Kinda goes hand in hand with being a conservative. His ideology is fundamentally about maintaining power at any cost. Anything that even symbolizes a challenge to that power needs to be violently repressed. American conservatism's supposed love for the principles of the Constitution was always conditional, abstract and self-servicing.

[Yawkland]

Trump is a Nazi

[Lendenburgh]

Law and Order at what cost? Last I checked unmarked police weren't necessary to have a functioning society.

Law and Order at Any cost. Remember: "It is the right of all men to be free, but freedom does not exist except within an order"

This is illogical.

Law and order are not the same thing- we have laws that explicitly allow order to decay. The first amendment directly allows large numbers of people to gather at will to protest, something that is inherently disorderly (I would argue that peaceful protest is disorder, violence isn't the only cause of it). If every other priority is subject to order, that implies a world where thoughts of insurrection are punishable, holding a block party without a permit would carry a higher sentence than money laundering, and everything would be legally required to function properly.

The world is inherently disorderly. Order is not a value that needs to be preserved, and it certainly should not be placed above the values this country was founded to protect: freedom, liberty, and equality.

The sole purpose of creating the nation of the United States of America was to ensure that the inalienable freedoms humans are endowed with by virtue of being are not compromised. Nothing I've read has ever discussed an absolute human right to 'order'. The freedom to assemble, to have coverage on happenings in the nation even if the government doesn't want you to see it, to voice one's opinion (granted it does not harm others) freely- that's what law enforcement should be protecting.

[Neutraligon]

Thank the lord. These Commie Democrats have failed there citizens and let anarchists and communists take over our cities. It's the government's job to protect it's people from danger and preserve law and order. The Local and State Governments have failed, so now it's the Federal Government's responsibility to restore order and protect it's Citizenry.

And you know who is doing a worse job, the feds. Things where dying down before they decided to stick their noses in. Those protests, they where down from thousands to a couple hundred a night. The fireworks, they where not being used as much. Flash bangs, those too where not being used much, and of course tear gas was not being used. Now, we have had tear gas every night, protests are back in the thousands, fires are being set again and barricades put up. You thought there was graffiti before, hot damn is there graffiti now. Protesters are now attempting to take down the boards that are around the justice center since federal agents are using them as cover. The feds are making things worse again, turning out more protesters including people who where not part of the protests before, and considering there are people who live in the area (yes there are residential buildings) ho are scared to go out at night now because of the feds on the street..yeah things are worse.

Nobody wants them here, including the police who are going to have to deal with the aftermath of the shitstorm the feds have created when the feds decide to go home. Finishing it in one fell swoop...hahahaha, you know nothing about the Portland attitude. Even I can tell how stupid that is and I have only lived here for a year. The people here do not respond well to that type of push. Instead of putting it down, these strongarm tactics will simply push more and more people into the streets to protest and push them to greater acts of resistance.

[Andsed]

Thank the lord. These Commie Democrats have failed there citizens and let anarchists and communists take over our cities. It's the government's job to protect it's people from danger and preserve law and order. The Local and State Governments have failed, so now it's the Federal Government's responsibility to restore order and protect it's Citizenry.

And you know who is doing a worse job, the feds. Things where dying down before they decided to stick their noses in. Those protests, they where down from thousands to a couple hundred a night. The fireworks, they where not being used as much. Flash bangs, those too where not being used much, and of course tear gas was not being used. Now, we have had tear gas every night, protests are back in the thousands, fires are being set again and barricades put up. You thought there was graffiti before, hot damn is there graffiti now. Protesters are now attempting to take down the boards that are around the justice center since federal agents are using them as cover. The feds are making things worse again, turning out more protesters, and considering there are people who live in the area (yes there are residential buildings) ho are scared to go out at night now because of the feds on the street..yeah things are worse.

Huh. It is almost like when dealing with protests and riots this kind of heavy handed nonsense is the wrong approach.

[Neutraligon]

And you know who is doing a worse job, the feds. Things where dying down before they decided to stick their noses in. Those protests, they where down from thousands to a couple hundred a night. The fireworks, they where not being used as much. Flash bangs, those too where not being used much, and of course tear gas was not being used. Now, we have had tear gas every night, protests are back in the thousands, fires are being set again and barricades put up. You thought there was graffiti before, hot damn is there graffiti now. Protesters are now attempting to take down the boards that are around the justice center since federal agents are using them as cover. The feds are making things worse again, turning out more protesters, and considering there are people who live in the area (yes there are residential buildings) ho are scared to go out at night now because of the feds on the street..yeah things are worse.

Huh. It is almost like when dealing with protests and riots this kind of heavy handed nonsense is the wrong approach.

What is even more stupid the guy in charge of NHS claims that Portland is unique in the issues being faced, so why in the world are people being sent to Chicago? Why are they being sent to other major US cities.

I am waiting for one of the residents in the nearby buildings to decide to walk to the grocery store and get black-bagged. The day that happens is the day the fed face serious issues.