Cop Met wrote:Oh dear.... so much stupid in so few words. Where do I even begin.
1. Facts don't become "made up" just because they contradict your delusions and the propaganda you blindly consume, and they don't become "bigoted" just because they don't fit your 'woke' ideology.
2. White people only make up about 61% of the population, not 70%.
3. According to your own source, white people made up 52.3%, 46.1%, 50.4% and 50.6% of the people of known race killed by police in 2020, 2019, 2018 and 2017 respectively.
That's a lot closer to half than "a little over a third".
4. This is a red herring. It's irrelevant whether white people make up 50%, 40% of 30% of the people killed by police. Population size also doesn't matter. What matters is that black people commit
more violent crime and come into
more interactions with police as a result, yet are killed
less than white people are - and that's
despite the fact that black people are
more likely to resist arrest;
more likely to attempt to flee;
more likely to attack the police and are
more likely to kill police.
Based on the numbers alone (26% of all crime, 38% of all violent crime, 52% of all murders, 41% of cop killers) we'd expect black people to make up a lot
more of the people killed by police. If anything, they're benefiting from preferential treatment.
5. You call all 1000+ people killed by police "victims". They're not. Close to 99% are shot in self-defense. Only about 1-3% are killed on accident and can be considered actual victims.
I'm going to ignore most of that paragraph because it was pure nonsense. I do want to address this last part, though, cause you can't have your cake and eat it too.
So far you've argued that black people are more likely to get killed by police, presumably because of "racism", and denied that it might have something to do with the higher crime rates, and even implied that they aren't higher at all. Yet now you seem to be making excuses for these high crime rates. What is it, then? Do black people commit more crime or not?
There is so much wrong with what you just said. I’m not even talking about how absurd it sounds from an ethical perspective, the way you put this sounds like peak authright. Like so authright I could take a screenshot of this and put a blue square in the background and post it on r/politicalcompassmemes.
Anyway, there are a lot of statistical assumptions you are making. When I said whites make up over a third of police killings, I was using the proportion out of the entire number of kills. You are using the proportion out if the number of kills of whom were identified, yet you don’t even acknowledge the blacks killed using that same statistic. In 2017, 903 people with their racial identity known were killed, with 457 being white. Ok you got me. In 2017, half of the police murders of those
identified were white, but do you also acknowledge that 25% of those with a known racial identity where black. Ironic huh? There are over 5 times as many whites as blacks in the US, yet whites are only killed at 2 times the higher rate. In 2018, 399 out of the 772 identified police homocides were on whites yet, 209 were against blacks. This again shows that blacks are killed at a 2.5 times higher rate than whites. In 2019, of the 802 identified victims, 370 were white while 230 were black. Almost a third of victims then where black in 2019, a severely disproportionate amount. The same goes in 2020, with blacks still being killed at twice the rate as whites. You’re probably going to say “oH sO YOu wAnt tO kILl MoRE wHiTEs tO mAKe iT pRoPOrTioNaL yoU rACisT aNti-WHiTe COmMiE!” No. I want it so that no one is killed by police. Wanting people to be killed just because their ethnic identity is wrongfully associated with bad connotations really aligns well with that one man on your flag, just saying.
Now let’s go to your next claims, of which are so messed up they can go on r/forwardsfromklandma. You claim that blacks are getting privileged treatment because “they aren’t being killed proportionally!”. To think that anyone deserves to be killed is absolutely disgusting. Also, your stats that you are using to show blacks commit more murder are being severely misinterpreted. You see, your stats are not the exact number of murders, but the amount of people incarcerated for murder. The crime statistics are based off of incarceration rates, not crime rates since if we knew the exact crime rate including those not arrested, the numbers would be far different. White people have gotten away with many things black peoples could only hope to imagine. There is a story that really sums up why our prison system is so horrible. Back in 2016 or before, a militia of hundreds of armed white men seized a federal building demanding ransoms from the government. Wanna know what happened to them? Nothing, not a single shot fired. Not a single cop. Guess it’s only considered terrorism by the mainstream media if they are brown. Meanwhile, during that time, a black kid was gunned down by police for having a toy gun. This is just one of the many stories I can show you. Recently, Ahmaud Arbury was shot by a white man for running. The murderers were only arrested when footage was released online, ten weeks after they killed the innocent man. Meanwhile whenever black people even steal or do drugs, the media and police all hunt them down, and justify their deaths if they get killed by police. Recently, a black man in Atlanta was killed just because he was pulled over. George Floyd was killed by cops for simply using an allegedly fake bill. No justice happened until everyone screamed for it to happen. Millions of black people have been arrested for doing little things, and you will probably justify it. I see republicans trying to justify blacks getting killed right after claiming they are “the party of Lincoln”. If Lincoln where to see the GOP, and their fetish for the confederates, he would declare them traitors(though the democrats also suck). What I’m trying to say is that the incarceration system has had a history of being unjust, and it makes sense since only recently has the civil rights act been passed. Using stats of one of the most messed up incarceration systems on earth as a way to claim one race is worse than the other is just insane. I don’t think a normal prison system would have almost as many people imprisoned as the Soviet gulags. There are only 2 countries with over 1% of the population incarcerated: the US and North Korea. Would you trust North Korea’s prison system to see who is the most violent?
Now let’s go to your next claim, which I gotta say, makes Liberty Hangout look like they hate licking boots. That’s the amount of bootlicking you have right now. You claim that only 1% of people killed by police are intentional, yet you also say that whites are being deliberately targeted by police. So it’s either 10 people or 300 people being intentionally murdered by police. Schrödinger’s cat indeed. I don’t have stats on how many of the murders are deliberate, since it is impossible to map emotions, but I can tell you that the police murders we have seen on camera are only the tip of the Iceberg. These protests have shown how brutal police can really be. There is footage of police beating protesters, shooting them with rubber bullets, using teargas, abducting them, using flash grenades, running protesters over, even firing live ammunition. Many people have been shot dead by riot police, many more being killed with teargas. What the police have been doing actually violates the Geneva convention, but it’s leftists so it’s okay since suppressing political oppositions means you’re a true patriot /s!
If you think hundreds of years of historical context is pure nonsense, then you are truly ignorant. Racism has been engraved in US politics since the 1600s. It would be practically impossible for all of racism to be erased by one simple act signed in the 60s. Many people who were police who brutalized civil rights protests in the 60s are still alive today. Racist teachings have been passed for generations across all civilization, all countries have their own form of racism(thanks Britain and France).
Finally we have your last paragraph, which is so hilarious that if I were to take it out of context, it would be /pol/ gold. But you claim that I ignore the crime rates. I am aware of the supposed high black crime rates, but I am also aware that those statistics are from the annual incarceration rates. The number we know is the amount of blacks incarcerated for the crime, even if they are innocent so it doesn’t reflect the number of crimes actually committed. It’s a well known fact that white people get away far more often with criminal activity than blacks. As well as the whole historical context as to why there is the amount of crime and incarcerations. The high crime rates are in fact not the exact crime rates, but rather incarceration rates, many of whom are not even
convicted. If you want to ignore centuries of historical context, then go ahead, since unlike you I’m not going to use ad-hominems.