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by Madisonianas » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:45 pm
by The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:54 pm
Madisonianas wrote:The protests need to end. Call in the National Guard! They are attacking the federal court in Portland with IEDs!
by The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:55 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:57 pm
Madisonianas wrote:The protests need to end. Call in the National Guard! They are attacking the federal court in Portland with IEDs!
by Salus Maior » Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:05 pm
by New Rogernomics » Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:20 pm
I'd say the problem with the narratives flying around right now is that what is legally permissible is down to the laws in place. Legally, as is supported by numerous national laws and supreme court decisions, federal property cannot be taxed by state, and is effectively under the direct authority of the federal government, with state government having no jurisdiction at all over federal property.
by Katganistan » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:09 pm
Joohan wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Change does take time, but should it?
The rate of change looks as though existing cops are not being improved or reformed, only that new cops are being inducted into a better culture while bad old cops are gradually retiring.
If that's so, the process could be greatly speeded up by inducting a lot of new cops (perhaps with promise of higher wages in future), booting out senior cops on the least suspicion of having been corrupt or covering up brutal conduct of the cops under them, and replacing them with the next down in rank. It would be generational change, but more swiftly than just waiting for retirements.
Mind you, I am biased by distrust of anyone in authority. Commanders who covered up brutality are worse than the junior cops who committed it ... like that.
It absolutely should take time. We must discern good ideas and practices from bad ones, before comit to an idea whole sale - lest our solution cause more issues than the problem.
by Trollgaard » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:12 pm
Kowani wrote:Kate Brown, the governor of Oregon, has just announced a Phased withdrawal of federal troops.
by Kowani » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:04 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Kowani wrote:Kate Brown, the governor of Oregon, has just announced a Phased withdrawal of federal troops.
Heard an interview with an exec in homeland security....they aren't going anywhere. The feds are within their rights. Oregon politicians are basically pulling publicity stunts.
by Trollgaard » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:13 pm
Kowani wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
Heard an interview with an exec in homeland security....they aren't going anywhere. The feds are within their rights. Oregon politicians are basically pulling publicity stunts.
“After discussions with the Vice President and administration officials this week, the federal government has agreed to my demand and will withdraw these officers from Portland.”
Now, if you want to assert she’s lying, that’s totally fine, but then you’ll need proof. Or failing that, a very good reason.
by Kowani » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:24 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Kowani wrote:“After discussions with the Vice President and administration officials this week, the federal government has agreed to my demand and will withdraw these officers from Portland.”
Now, if you want to assert she’s lying, that’s totally fine, but then you’ll need proof. Or failing that, a very good reason.
Strange. That is literally opposite of what I heard on the radio tonight.
by Purpelia » Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:40 pm
Katganistan wrote:So how many years should people wait? Last I heard the Civil Rights Movement started in the 1960s, yet people of color are still discriminated against and are brutalized by law enforcement more often than caucasians.
It's like every time there is a mass shooting and some politician says "Now is not the time to bring up gun control".
So when?
by The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:45 pm
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by Nuroblav » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:24 am
Madisonianas wrote:The protests need to end. Call in the National Guard! They are attacking the federal court in Portland with IEDs!
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:27 am
by Shazbotdom » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:31 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Shazbotdom wrote:Imagine the reasoning that the Federal Government would use to justify this. And the possible abuses, later on, to try and silence political opponents.
Assembly is specifically protected, that seems the most direct way to strike down the ban.
Restricting a political opponent from speaking in public by banning them from assemblies, however, wouldn't do much at all to limit their free speech. There are so many other channels for speech now.
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