The events in Portland & the plan to take it nationwide

[Liriena]

Remember kids: saying all cops are bad is wrong, but overgeneralizing all protesters as cartoonishly evil and violent is legit. This is totally not bootlicker dogmatism, pinky promise.

Did I say all protesters?

In your own words:

Except the "protesters" are the aggressors. It's kind of like a rapist equipped with pepper spray claiming it's for "self-defense".

Protip: if you stop looting, burning down buildings and assaulting/killing people, you won't need to "defend" yourself against the police. Meanwhile, shooting at the police, beating them up with sticks and baseball bats and throwing bricks, Molotov cocktails and bottles of piss at them, might increase your need for those "defenses".

Sure, you didn't say "all"... you just implied it by saying "the protesters", as opposed to "some of the protesters" or "most of the protesters". Saying just "the protesters" suggests that you didn't find it necessary to distinguish between those who fit your ideological fantasy of the protesters and those who didn't.

Your malicious intent was made all the more clear by your decision to unify all the acts of violence you listed as being the actions of "the protesters" as a whole.

Your language throughout has been totalizing.

[Ifreann]

They're all obviously brainwashed, though.

By whom?

Jervis Tetch.

[Luna Amore]

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Go read the Rules.

Is it trolling if you mean it?

Fewer fascists, fewer problems.

That was my first reply to you. How could I be projecting still?

You're all NPCs. A hivemind without individual thought.

There's more than one of us here. Between us we can put a lot more on the page than you alone can. Going as fast as you can isn't going to help you,

Ah, yes. "Win by spam". Classic leftist mentality.

in fact you'll just make more mistakes.

Haven't made any yet.

And no doubt you have an amazing source for that which will totally shut everyone up and show you are superior once you post it.

I don't expect you to ever be convinced of anything that doesn't fit your narrative, just like I wouldn't expect to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is spherical, even if I took him into space and showed him.

If you actually cared about the truth and had the mental capacity to understand simple statistics, you'd already know.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/. Black people make up a quarter of police shooting deaths while only being a tenth of the US population. Meanwhile whites, who make up 2/3 of the US, only make up a little over a third of police shooting deaths.

Aaaaand, there we have it. The expected usual 70 IQ argument from the left.

You don't think this this (i.imgur.com/1hlMy1x.png) would be relevant to add to the equation?

If I went onto a flat-Earth forum and claimed the Earth was spherical, I'd get dozens of whiny morons at my throat, too. That doesn't mean I'm being "torn to shreds". That just means you're a bunch of brainwashed sheep, desperately clinging onto your echo chamber "consensus".

I like how you're suddenly "leaving" now that statistics was brought to the table that completely debunks your bullshit delusions. But you do you. B-Bye...

Did I say all protesters? Don't think I did. Learn to read, sweetheart. Maybe get one of those kids to help your out.

They're all obviously brainwashed, though. But they're not all violent and evil*. Just a large portion of them.

*entitled, narcissistic pricks ceasing the opportunity to LARP a "revolution" and act out their power fantasies

Well I don't accept your proofs, because I haven't spent that much time on them.

Here's a story about a classic leftist - let's call him 'Lefty':
Lefty spends all day, every day, on Twitter sharing his very strong opinions on how 2+2 equals 5. The only time he's not on Twitter spreading the gospel, demonizing infidels and accusing anyone who utters the word 'four' of hate speech, is when he's out protesting every weeking, shouting mantras like "2+2 equals 5, if you heard anything else, it's a lie!" and "hey hey, ho ho, agree with me or I'll call you a fascist". He has a pink shirt that says "the future is 5" and a banner that says "4 is a social construct designed by the white supremacist, heteronormative patriarchy to keep women and minorities down". Lefty cares a lot about this issue and spends all of his time on it.
One day, someone asked Lefty how 2+2 could equal 5. Lefty had never thought about this. Lefty had never looked it up. Lefty didn't even know what 2 or 5 really meant or what it was. But Lefty was sure he was right, because every time he said that 2+2 equaled 5, everyone on Twitter agreed with him, so he quickly accused the person who asked him the question of 'harassment' and of being a Nazi.
Lefty went home happy, knowing he had rightly called out wrongthink and signaled to the world what a virtuous person he was. Lefty always think the right thoughts. Lefty feels that 2+2 equals 5, and no "facts" are going to change that.
THE END

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[Neutraligon]

The actual LEOs, the ones you're bitching aren't being brutal ENOUGH, deescalated the situation starting with stopping the tear gas. But then the HS Trumpstapo squads showed up and punted the hornet's nest.

Could this all be a plan to make protesters and the general public like the real police a little better?

"I just want everybody to like each other. I'm a man of peace" ---WPT

If it where it isn't working. All that is happening is people are getting more pissed. When the feds go home Portland police will have to deal with people who like them and trust them even less then before.

[Vassenor]

An in depth look from Forbes at what exactly Operation Legend entails.

[Gormwood]

An in depth look from Forbes at what exactly Operation Legend entails.

This has been brought to you by Trump Would NEVER Do THAT!!

[Giovenith]

Dude this long stopped about being police brutality. I am not judging things here. Just, as always, telling as they are.

But of course nobody likes being told the truth.

And that goes for both sides.

Thanks for being the supreme arbiter of truth!

Fuck off dude, this is about the larger issue of systemic racism and a government that doesn't care about anyone anymore, and is run by a group of rich corporate assholes who "allegedly" diddle kids.

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[Neutraligon]

An in depth look from Forbes at what exactly Operation Legend entails.

So that is the excuse being used about sending "troops' to other cities while also claiming that Portland is unique....That doesn't make this any better.

[Velarland]

They deployed military soldiers in Portland and then used tier gas and brutal violence they where way to harsh they should of only got involved if it got violent it was unconstitutional what the police and military did to protester if this keeps going on the protests will get more violent

[Gormwood]

They deployed military soldiers in Portland and then used tier gas and brutal violence they where way to harsh they should of only got involved if it got violent it was unconstitutional what the police and military did to protester if this keeps going on the protests will get more violent

[Neutraligon]

They deployed military soldiers in Portland and then used tier gas and brutal violence they where way to harsh they should of only got involved if it got violent it was unconstitutional what the police and military did to protester if this keeps going on the protests will get more violent

And it is already escalating. The police are attempting to distance themselves.

[Plzen]

They deployed military soldiers in Portland and then used tier gas and brutal violence they where way to harsh they should of only got involved if it got violent it was unconstitutional what the police and military did to protester if this keeps going on the protests will get more violent

I suspect that violence is not so much as a side effect to be wary of as it is the end goal the government's actions are designed to achieve.

No popular movement can really stand up against the security apparatus of a stable, developed State in an uncomplicated violent struggle, and the United States government probably knows that just as well. The Republicans benefit massively from un-complicating the situation into simple violence, and provoking a violent response from protesters (or, failing that, provocateurs pretending to be protesters) is a way to do that easily without raising difficult questions from within the civil service.

[Stylan]

I have good news and bad news for you.

Bad news: you have been brainwashed by the media.

Good news: you don't have to worry about the government turning 'fascist'.

More bad news: the people running around on the streets, tearing down statues, burning down buildings and assaulting people... they're the fascists.

Good news: being disabled and especially being bisexual makes you more safe from the 'woke' mob.

More, more bad news: you don't happen to be 'cisgender', white and male, do you? Cause then you're fucked. Bigotry is at the basis of their movement.

Do you understand anything about fascism? Have you ever read Julius Evola? I doubt it.

These people running around are not "fascists," they embrace materialism, literally, and are highly opposed to things like order and structure, which is integral to fascism. These people tearing down statues are anti-fascist.

[Stylan]

I think these recent events show that the majority of self-proclaimed libertarians and "small government" peeps are nothing more than closet authoritarians. I love how they go from "when they institute a dictatorship in the US, we'll be there with guns a blazing!" to "lmao commies get fucked, I love secret police kidnapping peaceful protestors."

These really are the end of times my friends.

[Adamede]

I think these recent events show that the majority of self-proclaimed libertarians and "small government" peeps are nothing more than closet authoritarians. I love how they go from "when they institute a dictatorship in the US, we'll be there with guns a blazing!" to "lmao commies get fucked, I love secret police kidnapping peaceful protestors."

These really are the end of times my friends.

You've been talking to different libertarians than I have bee then.

Or you're just creating strawmen, but that's certainly not true is it?

[Stylan]

I think these recent events show that the majority of self-proclaimed libertarians and "small government" peeps are nothing more than closet authoritarians. I love how they go from "when they institute a dictatorship in the US, we'll be there with guns a blazing!" to "lmao commies get fucked, I love secret police kidnapping peaceful protestors."

These really are the end of times my friends.

You've been talking to different libertarians than I have bee then.

Or you're just creating strawmen, but that's certainly not true is is?

Go the the r/progun subreddit. Not all of them are like this, but the more right-leaning types are.

[Adamede]

You've been talking to different libertarians than I have bee then.

Or you're just creating strawmen, but that's certainly not true is is?

Go the the r/progun subreddit. Not all of them are like this, but the more right-leaning types are.

Yah they're abut as libertarian as the PRC is communist, no?

[Neutraligon]

I think these recent events show that the majority of self-proclaimed libertarians and "small government" peeps are nothing more than closet authoritarians. I love how they go from "when they institute a dictatorship in the US, we'll be there with guns a blazing!" to "lmao commies get fucked, I love secret police kidnapping peaceful protestors."

These really are the end of times my friends.

You've been talking to different libertarians than I have bee then.

Or you're just creating strawmen, but that's certainly not true is is?

I mean we have federal agencies moving into cities against the will of the elected officials to "police" You would think there would be a rather big outcry from libertarians.

[Plzen]

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There's always this paranoid fear among the right, and here I include both the authoritarian and the libertarian right, that radical socialists (or more generically "leftists" nowadays, I guess, now that socialism isn't a big ideology anymore) will dismantle democracy and that the State ought to be empowered to act against this thread in order to preserve liberal democracy.

Kind of funny, in a sort of sad way, that the threat against democracy posed by a State empowered to take extraordinary measures in defence of its own stability is well covered in the historical record whereas this supposed progressive threat against democracy... not so much.

It always works this way; there's no point in trying to defend democratic values with the political right, because the political right will never stop seeing the left as a threat to their democracy no matter how meekly and inoffensively the left acts. There'll always be an outcry anyways, whether the left acts meekly or decisively, so why not act decisively?

[Adamede]

You've been talking to different libertarians than I have bee then.

Or you're just creating strawmen, but that's certainly not true is is?

I mean we have federal agencies moving into cities against the will of the elected officials to "police" You would think there would be a rather big outcry from libertarians.

I think you over estimate how many libertarians there are.

[Neutraligon]

I mean we have federal agencies moving into cities against the will of the elected officials to "police" You would think there would be a rather big outcry from libertarians.

I think you over estimate how many libertarians there are.

I will throw the using the second amendment to fight against government tyranny and protect states/individual rights guys as well.

[Adamede]

I think you over estimate how many libertarians there are.

I will throw the using the second amendment to fight against government tyranny and protect states/individual rights guys as well.

Every time progun individuals get involved with these things regardless of what they do they get labeled as white nationalists by organizers and medis and such so most I know are pretty burned on the whole thing.

[Neutraligon]

I will throw the using the second amendment to fight against government tyranny and protect states/individual rights guys as well.

Every time progun individuals get involved with these things regardless of what they do they get labeled as white nationalists by organizers and medis and such so most I know are pretty burned on the whole thing.

So the one time when the fed is actually over stepping themselves and would actually regain them some support they stay out? I mean what a message that would send if they showed up to protect protesters against the fed?

[Adamede]

Every time progun individuals get involved with these things regardless of what they do they get labeled as white nationalists by organizers and media and such so most I know are pretty burned on the whole thing.

So the one time when the fed is actually over stepping themselves and would actually regain them some support they stay out?

They weren't able to get support when they showed up for protests before this shit happened, and they're not going to get support if they show up now either.

I mean what a message that would send if they showed up to protect protesters against the fed?

As I said the media tends to either gloss over or just label them as white nationalist counter protesters.

And if they actually shot a cop? Yah I don't see anything good coming from that.

[Tombradyonia]

I'm convinced that authoritarian-wannabe Trump is hoping it will escalate. Anything to distract from his Covincompetence.