The events in Portland & the plan to take it nationwide

[Cop Met]

Let's hope the election happens and happens fairly, because this does look a bit like Nazi Germany to me. Kidnapping peaceful protesters is a sign that democracy is being dismantled.

Unlikely. Democracy was doomed in 2016.

Yeah, it kind of was. First they tried to rig the election and then they whined for four years about it not working. I can only imagine what lengths they will go to this time.

[-Astoria-]

What was that about glass houses & stones again?

Consider not taking the bait.

No need to worry; even I could see it from a mile away.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

You care enough to actually read through several pages of the thread and respond to a post that is several pages ago. Most people don't care to make that effort to read through entire threads.

That’ll happen when you take a “last unread post” button next to thread title and have a person who enjoys to read, has a lot of unread posts to read and plenty of free time on their hands push that button.

Which, I know, is also how you came across that other post that was subject of the little TG exchange we had a while ago.

Was it? I don’t remember and I don’t care to revisit those TG’s if I haven’t deleted them already.

But you don't care to actually respond to the other posts I made but enough to take things out of context, because that way I do fit better the imagintion you have created of me.

Okay...? *shrug*

[Cop Met]

1. Not much to say here, asides from all left-leaning media or all the media a left leaning person consumes is immediately propaganda point is absolutely bonkers.

MSM is pure propaganda and to claim otherwise is absolutely bonkers. But of course, the brainwashed don't realize they're brainwashed.

Most of the narratives told by the "news" and circulating on social media and society as a whole are not only 100% false, but often the exact opposite of reality. The whole narrative behind BLM is a perfect example.

2. Last US census says 76%, apparently.

That's from 2010 - a decade old. Latest estimates are 60-64%. This is completely irrelevant, but you're still wrong.

3. There’s nothing that separates accidental from intentional deaths though.

Of all the black people killed by police in 2019, 9 were unarmed and of those 2 were deemed 'not justified'. In other words, 99.15% of black people killed by police in 2019 were killed in self-defense or in defense of others.

I’d like to see which among the Blacks or Whites make a higher proportion of that.

Considering the fact that black people are more likely to resist arrest, more likely to attempt to flee, more likely to attack police and make up 41% of cop killers and that studies and tests show that black people, despite all those things, are less likely to get killed by police, I know what I think.

But if you'd like to see it, why don't you go look it up? I'm the only one here who've brought any statistics to the table, yet I'm not the one making the claim. You guys are all so sure that black people are oppressed by the evil racist system (because that's what Twitter thinks and what MSM says), but none of you seem to have bothered actually looking at the numbers.

Asides from that, there’s also the danger of no-knock enters, given some of these are accidental enters by police in the wrong addresses, and especially if the people inside are unaware that they are police, they could get defensive and result in them getting shot. That would count as self defence, but the distinctions between cases like these and other no-knock raids that successfully targeted the right locations are rather blurred, unless case by case summaries are given for each.

Are you claiming that police intentionally knock on the doors of innocent black people to excuse killing them?
And you have evidence of this, I assume?
I'm being facetious. Of course you don't have any evidence.

4. Thing is, some Blacks have grown up scared of the police

Yes, because of propaganda. "Systemic racism" and the police are not the problem: black culture and leftist propaganda is. Stop committing so much crime and if you do commit crime, don't fucking shoot at the police when they come to arrest you. It's not rocket science. But of course no one dares to say this, cause holding black people accountable for their own actions instead of just blaming white people is, ironically, "racism".

5. There are self-defence incidents that can be disputed, depends on the clarity an officer can see what the other person is holding (or lack thereof) or even coverups. I don’t imagine this to take out a huge chunk of the percentage though. Pretty sure the victims part is focusing on the smaller part of the percentage and the police brutality argument is all about lowering that percentage and hostility on the part of the officer at times.

You're naive if you think this is about justice.
Rayshard Brooks, a career criminal on parole, was drunk driving before falling asleep at a drive-through restaurant. When confronted, he assaulted a policeman, stole his Taser and tried to shoot him with it. He was shot and died. A completely reasonable response from the policeman.
What was the reaction? The policeman was called an evil racist and suspended from his job. The media described Brooks as a friendly family man who was just looking forward to his daughter's birthday. Protests erupted, of course, and they burned down the restaurant - because, why not.

[Nolo gap]

trumps action, of creating a national goon squad, is quite simply, a fascist coup,
and mandates, whatever it will take, to re-establish constitutional representative government.

his immediate removal from office, by whatever means necessary, would not be an inappropriate response.
for far too long, we have allowed a culture of aggressive inconsiderateness to fester, and this is the price we are paying for having done so.

just as our world's current biological plague, is the natural price of a dominant culture of hating science and logic.

[Cop Met]

Yeah, no... You need to stop believing everything you watch on the "news".

Do you not think it odd that the few times you posted sources for your claims, the sheeple here already knew them nad had counter arguments ready ?
It is almost like the sheeple did vastly more thorough research than you.

Except literally none of that ever happened. In fact, it was the exact opposite. I had already heard their 70 IQ "bLaCk pEoPlE mAkE uP 13% oF tHe PopULaTiOn bUt 24% Of tHoSe kiLlEd bY PoLiCe" argument a thousand times and had counters ready to easily debunk it. So you're projecting again.
Maybe you were just daydreaming. Meanwhile, in reality: the second I started posting statistics, they all left in complete silence.
Clearly, they had done absolutely no research whatsoever.

Scary, innit.

Yes, watching the Dunning-Kruger effect in full force is kind of scary.

[Cop Met]

Do you not think it odd that the few times you posted sources for your claims, the sheeple here already knew them nad had counter arguments ready ?

It is almost like the sheeple did vastly more thorough research than you. Scary, innit. Because what does that make you

And because they're just rehashing the same arguments that other people have already tried god knows how many times before.

The projection.... it just never stops.

[Cop Met]

Its about time we had actual law and order, instead of rabid gangs of criminals running around killing, looting, and burning our country.

I oppose the police and their killing, looting, and burning, but it's really not necessary to call them rabid.

Still living in opposite-land, are we? Up is down, left is right and right is wrong - and the police are the ones looting and burning buildings.

I would say 'ignorance is bliss', but SJWs seem like the most sad and angry people of all time.

[Liriena]

You're still living in this fantasy world where everything the Feds are doing is self-defence, aren't you?

No ofcourse they are not only acting in self-defense they are also protecting federal property.

I wonder if people who lick the boot this hard genuinely believe that they'll somehow be magically exempt from the authoritarianism they enable.

The "I never thought leopards would eat my face" ideology.

[Liriena]

Apparently gas masks and shields are signs of violent intent now.

It's almost like the protesters are equipping themselves in self defence.

Except the "protesters" are the aggressors. It's kind of like a rapist equipped with pepper spray claiming it's for "self-defense".

Protip: if you stop looting, burning down buildings and assaulting/killing people, you won't need to "defend" yourself against the police. Meanwhile, shooting at the police, beating them up with sticks and baseball bats and throwing bricks, Molotov cocktails and bottles of piss at them, might increase your need for those "defenses".

Remember kids: saying all cops are bad is wrong, but overgeneralizing all protesters as cartoonishly evil and violent is legit. This is totally not bootlicker dogmatism, pinky promise.

[Liriena]

I would say 'ignorance is bliss', but SJWs seem like the most sad and angry people of all time.

Mmm, you were so close to getting it here...

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And because they're just rehashing the same arguments that other people have already tried god knows how many times before.

The projection.... it just never stops.

I know I am, but what are you?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Wow, the thinking time.

[Cop Met]

I'm quoting the whole thing because it's just magnificent how you string together proofs to the conclusion that police are more likely to shoot a black person than a white person, because the black person is more likely to shoot at them than a white person is.

1. I mean, yeah. Does it surprise you that shooting at the police increases the risk of getting shot by the police? What exactly is it you don't understand or find compelling here? Are you arguing that it should?
2. You're ignoring my main point. While resisting arrest, attempting to flee, attacking police or trying to (and sometimes succeeding in) killing police will of course increase the risk of getting killed by police, this isn't even needed in explaining why black people, when simply compared to their population size, are more likely to get killed by police. The crime statistics alone is enough. Black people's behavior before they even encounter the police, is enough. Their behavior during the encounter just solidifies the point.

Well I don't accept your proofs, because I haven't spent that much time on them.

Here's a story about a classic leftist - let's call him 'Lefty':
Lefty spends all day, every day, on Twitter sharing his very strong opinions on how 2+2 equals 5. The only time he's not on Twitter spreading the gospel, demonizing infidels and accusing anyone who utters the word 'four' of hate speech, is when he's out protesting every weeking, shouting mantras like "2+2 equals 5, if you heard anything else, it's a lie!" and "hey hey, ho ho, agree with me or I'll call you a fascist". He has a pink shirt that says "the future is 5" and a banner that says "4 is a social construct designed by the white supremacist, heteronormative patriarchy to keep women and minorities down". Lefty cares a lot about this issue and spends all of his time on it.
One day, someone asked Lefty how 2+2 could equal 5. Lefty had never thought about this. Lefty had never looked it up. Lefty didn't even know what 2 or 5 really meant or what it was. But Lefty was sure he was right, because every time he said that 2+2 equaled 5, everyone on Twitter agreed with him, so he quickly accused the person who asked him the question of 'harassment' and of being a Nazi.
Lefty went home happy, knowing he had rightly called out wrongthink and signaled to the world what a virtuous person he was. Lefty always think the right thoughts. Lefty feels that 2+2 equals 5, and no "facts" are going to change that.
THE END

I just scanned the post for anything that might prove that a white person is more likely to be shot by police. You didn't give a figure for how many whites are shot, or what percentage of all people shot by police are white.

About half of the people killed by police (of known race) are white. About a quarter are black.

"Yet they only make up 24% of people killed by police."

Black people make up 13.4% of the US population.

QED

Sigh......... this really is like talking to a bunch of flat-Earthers or Creationists.
It doesn't matter how many times you debunk their bullshit, they just keep repeating it.

We literally just went over it. Population is completely irrelevant. It'd only be relevant if all races committed crime at the same rates. They don't.

Black Americans account for:
28% of all crime
30% of all rapes
33% of all aggravated assaults
38% of all violent crime
52% of all murders
56% of all robberies

Based on these numbers alone (disregarding the fact that blacks are more likely to resist arrest, attack police, kill police etc.), we'd expect black people to make up much more than only 24% of people killed by police. The fact that they're only 12-14% of the population doesn't matter in the context of police killings, cause that's not based on population size, it's based on number of police interactions, the type of interactions and the behavior of the suspect in those interactions.

QED

[Cop Met]

What was that about glass houses & stones again?

Consider not taking the bait.

Yup. Calling it delusional to label Trump a Nazi is totally bait.

What a clown world you guys must be living in.

[Cop Met]

You are brainwashed, delusional and completely out of touch with reality.

What was that about glass houses & stones again?

Still projecting... you just can't help yourself.

Also, you should stop wasting your stones throwing them at glass houses. Instead, use them to 'bash the fash', amirite?

[Ifreann]

I would say 'ignorance is bliss', but SJWs seem like the most sad and angry people of all time.

Mmm, you were so close to getting it here...

@accidental_left

[Cop Met]

Except the "protesters" are the aggressors. It's kind of like a rapist equipped with pepper spray claiming it's for "self-defense".

Protip: if you stop looting, burning down buildings and assaulting/killing people, you won't need to "defend" yourself against the police. Meanwhile, shooting at the police, beating them up with sticks and baseball bats and throwing bricks, Molotov cocktails and bottles of piss at them, might increase your need for those "defenses".

Remember kids: saying all cops are bad is wrong, but overgeneralizing all protesters as cartoonishly evil and violent is legit. This is totally not bootlicker dogmatism, pinky promise.

Did I say all protesters? Don't think I did. Learn to read, sweetheart. Maybe get one of those kids to help your out.

They're all obviously brainwashed, though. But they're not all violent and evil*. Just a large portion of them.

*entitled, narcissistic pricks ceasing the opportunity to LARP a "revolution" and act out their power fantasies

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I'm quoting the whole thing because it's just magnificent how you string together proofs to the conclusion that police are more likely to shoot a black person than a white person, because the black person is more likely to shoot at them than a white person is.

1. I mean, yeah. Does it surprise you that shooting at the police increases the risk of getting shot by the police? What exactly is it you don't understand or find compelling here? Are you arguing that it should?
2. You're ignoring my main point. While resisting arrest, attempting to flee, attacking police or trying to (and sometimes succeeding in) killing police will of course increase the risk of getting killed by police, this isn't even needed in explaining why black people, when simply compared to their population size, are more likely to get killed by police. The crime statistics alone is enough. Black people's behavior before they even encounter the police, is enough. Their behavior during the encounter just solidifies the point.

Well I don't accept your proofs, because I haven't spent that much time on them.

Here's a story about a classic leftist - let's call him 'Lefty':
Lefty spends all day, every day, on Twitter sharing his very strong opinions on how 2+2 equals 5. The only time he's not on Twitter spreading the gospel, demonizing infidels and accusing anyone who utters the word 'four' of hate speech, is when he's out protesting every weeking, shouting mantras like "2+2 equals 5, if you heard anything else, it's a lie!" and "hey hey, ho ho, agree with me or I'll call you a fascist". He has a pink shirt that says "the future is 5" and a banner that says "4 is a social construct designed by the white supremacist, heteronormative patriarchy to keep women and minorities down". Lefty cares a lot about this issue and spends all of his time on it.
One day, someone asked Lefty how 2+2 could equal 5. Lefty had never thought about this. Lefty had never looked it up. Lefty didn't even know what 2 or 5 really meant or what it was. But Lefty was sure he was right, because every time he said that 2+2 equaled 5, everyone on Twitter agreed with him, so he quickly accused the person who asked him the question of 'harassment' and of being a Nazi.
Lefty went home happy, knowing he had rightly called out wrongthink and signaled to the world what a virtuous person he was. Lefty always think the right thoughts. Lefty feels that 2+2 equals 5, and no "facts" are going to change that.
THE END

I just scanned the post for anything that might prove that a white person is more likely to be shot by police. You didn't give a figure for how many whites are shot, or what percentage of all people shot by police are white.

About half of the people killed by police (of known race) are white. About a quarter are black.

"Yet they only make up 24% of people killed by police."

Black people make up 13.4% of the US population.

QED

Sigh......... this really is like talking to a bunch of flat-Earthers or Creationists.
It doesn't matter how many times you debunk their bullshit, they just keep repeating it.

We literally just went over it. Population is completely irrelevant. It'd only be relevant if all races committed crime at the same rates. They don't.

Black Americans account for:
28% of all crime
30% of all rapes
33% of all aggravated assaults
38% of all violent crime
52% of all murders
56% of all robberies

Based on these numbers alone (disregarding the fact that blacks are more likely to resist arrest, attack police, kill police etc.), we'd expect black people to make up much more than only 24% of people killed by police. The fact that they're only 12-14% of the population doesn't matter in the context of police killings, cause that's not based on population size, it's based on number of police interactions, the type of interactions and the behavior of the suspect in those interactions.

QED

Basically, no. I attacked ONE claim of yours; it was one of the very first claims you made.

I proved it wrong. And I'm just not interested in pursuing you to prove anything else you said was wrong. Though unwisely I did engage a second time, it was only because you made a personal inference about me, that was provably wrong. So I proved that wrong too.

You are awesome. Your debating skills are unmatched and your demeanor most polite. You deserve a rematch, but.

I'm not going to debate you any more. I'm not going to be fair, or reasonable, because with your attitude you don't deserve either. You made one mistake, I nailed you, and I'll take the win thankyou. But what I'm not going to do, is re-quote the claims and counter-claims so everyone here can see how I won. That would be gloating!

Have a good night, or whatever corner of the clock you're at, Sir or Madam.

[-Astoria-]

Still projecting... you just can't help yourself.

Also, you should stop wasting your stones throwing them at glass houses. Instead, use them to 'bash the fash', amirite?

Takes one to know one, amirite?

Also, more straw & we could host our own Burning Man festival.

[Liriena]

They're all obviously brainwashed, though.

By whom?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

1. Not much to say here, asides from all left-leaning media or all the media a left leaning person consumes is immediately propaganda point is absolutely bonkers.

MSM is pure propaganda and to claim otherwise is absolutely bonkers. But of course, the brainwashed don't realize they're brainwashed.

Most of the narratives told by the "news" and circulating on social media and society as a whole are not only 100% false, but often the exact opposite of reality. The whole narrative behind BLM is a perfect example.

Ah. Care to tell us, the brainwashed sheeple, what the true news is? Don’t act that Fox isn’t mainstream either.

I’d admit that certain sections of mainstream media are rather biased. But most definitely not all of them are propaganda pieces. Care to tell me who controls these propaganda agencies are?

2. Last US census says 76%, apparently.

That's from 2010 - a decade old. Latest estimates are 60-64%. This is completely irrelevant, but you're still wrong.

Mhm. Then let’s await the 2020 census. But that could be rather incomplete considering the pandemic going on right now.

3. There’s nothing that separates accidental from intentional deaths though.

Of all the black people killed by police in 2019, 9 were unarmed and of those 2 were deemed 'not justified'. In other words, 99.15% of black people killed by police in 2019 were killed in self-defense or in defense of others.

I’d like to see which among the Blacks or Whites make a higher proportion of that.

Considering the fact that black people are more likely to resist arrest, more likely to attempt to flee, more likely to attack police and make up 41% of cop killers and that studies and tests show that black people, despite all those things, are less likely to get killed by police, I know what I think.

But if you'd like to see it, why don't you go look it up? I'm the only one here who've brought any statistics to the table, yet I'm not the one making the claim. You guys are all so sure that black people are oppressed by the evil racist system (because that's what Twitter thinks and what MSM says), but none of you seem to have bothered actually looking at the numbers.

Actually, I believe the problem lies less with the police, but with certain rules and city ordinances, but meh.

Asides from that, there’s also the danger of no-knock enters, given some of these are accidental enters by police in the wrong addresses, and especially if the people inside are unaware that they are police, they could get defensive and result in them getting shot. That would count as self defence, but the distinctions between cases like these and other no-knock raids that successfully targeted the right locations are rather blurred, unless case by case summaries are given for each.

Are you claiming that police intentionally knock on the doors of innocent black people to excuse killing them?
And you have evidence of this, I assume?
I'm being facetious. Of course you don't have any evidence.

I did not insinuate that at any point in my argument. Neither did I say they intentionally knocked on Black people’s doors. Stop strawmanning my argument.

How do you want me to give you evidence? Especially since you claim all mainstream media is propaganda, and therefore factually inaccurate despite whatever sources or interviews they hold.

4. Thing is, some Blacks have grown up scared of the police

Yes, because of propaganda. "Systemic racism" and the police are not the problem: black culture and leftist propaganda is. Stop committing so much crime and if you do commit crime, don't fucking shoot at the police when they come to arrest you. It's not rocket science. But of course no one dares to say this, cause holding black people accountable for their own actions instead of just blaming white people is, ironically, "racism".

If you do commit crime, logically, you wish to not get caught. Two options, shoot or run.

A good number of Blacks have grown up with gang wars, or crimes being commited, or relatives being involved in these, so they get scared of the police.

By goodness do you have so many issues with news networks.

Not all of the crime was the fault of systemic racism and laws intentionally tageted at black people, but at least some of it was undeniably as a result of these.

5. There are self-defence incidents that can be disputed, depends on the clarity an officer can see what the other person is holding (or lack thereof) or even coverups. I don’t imagine this to take out a huge chunk of the percentage though. Pretty sure the victims part is focusing on the smaller part of the percentage and the police brutality argument is all about lowering that percentage and hostility on the part of the officer at times.

You're naive if you think this is about justice.
Rayshard Brooks, a career criminal on parole, was drunk driving before falling asleep at a drive-through restaurant. When confronted, he assaulted a policeman, stole his Taser and tried to shoot him with it. He was shot and died. A completely reasonable response from the policeman.
What was the reaction? The policeman was called an evil racist and suspended from his job. The media described Brooks as a friendly family man who was just looking forward to his daughter's birthday. Protests erupted, of course, and they burned down the restaurant - because, why not.

What happens when you have someone knocking on your door in the middle of the night? Sure, you’re going to get scared. In his drunkenness, he could have mistaken the police for some other people.

I’m not saying that it was totally acceptable for him to be drunk driving and he should have cooperated with the police upon arrest, but considering he was drunk, his thoughts were probably fuzzy.

Considering that he stole the taser, I think taking him down would have been more appropriate instead of shooting him, but it was in the heat of the moment.

[Vassenor]

They're all obviously brainwashed, though.

By whom?

The SJW NWO or whoever the Soros-funded big bad of today's conspiracy is.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Still projecting... you just can't help yourself.

Also, you should stop wasting your stones throwing them at glass houses. Instead, use them to 'bash the fash', amirite?

Takes one to know one, amirite?

Also, more straw & we could host our own Burning Man festival.

I think I could feel a few getting lodged on my seat. Sending to you for the festival.

[Nakena]

That’ll happen when you take a “last unread post” button next to thread title and have a person who enjoys to read, has a lot of unread posts to read and plenty of free time on their hands push that button.

But apparently not read well enough!

Was it? I don’t remember and I don’t care to revisit those TG’s if I haven’t deleted them already.

I remember them well.