The events in Portland & the plan to take it nationwide

[Slaughter None]

As someone who is disabled and bisexual (realized it in 2013), and who likes to double checks history now and then, I am not expecting to make it through this, knowing the writing's been on the wall since 2016, at least for me

Ok, tell me you have survived since 2016-2020 under this adminstration so why why would you be massacred in the next term if Trump wins. That's what I don't get about the left he is only a president who will eventually leave office and will be forgotten in the coming decades, he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal and act like "Hating Trump" is your religion. You don't like him fine, you think he is idiotic fine , you don't like his policies fine but saying that he is going to recreate the holocaust is a little bit too much.

[Vassenor]

As someone who is disabled and bisexual (realized it in 2013), and who likes to double checks history now and then, I am not expecting to make it through this, knowing the writing's been on the wall since 2016, at least for me

Ok, tell me you have survived since 2016-2020 under this adminstration so why why would you be massacred in the next term if Trump wins. That's what I don't get about the left he is only a president who will eventually leave office and will be forgotten in the coming decades, he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal and act like "Hating Trump" is your religion. You don't like him fine, you think he is idiotic fine , you don't like his policies fine but saying that he is going to recreate the holocaust is a little bit too much.

That's some pretty big hyperbole right there.

[Purpelia]

To the OP. This is not an insult. You need psychiatric help. Get off a stupid internet forum full of angsty teens and generally internet people and get your self some help. This I say honestly and with the best of intentions.

[Slaughter None]

Ok, tell me you have survived since 2016-2020 under this adminstration so why why would you be massacred in the next term if Trump wins. That's what I don't get about the left he is only a president who will eventually leave office and will be forgotten in the coming decades, he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal and act like "Hating Trump" is your religion. You don't like him fine, you think he is idiotic fine , you don't like his policies fine but saying that he is going to recreate the holocaust is a little bit too much.

That's some pretty big hyperbole right there.

Yes, like saying that Trump will cause a second holocaust isn't a bigger hyperbole.

[Gormwood]

That's some pretty big hyperbole right there.

Yes, like saying that Trump will cause a second holocaust isn't a bigger hyperbole.

"Trump would NEVER do THAT!!"

Take a shot.

[Slaughter None]

Yes, like saying that Trump will cause a second holocaust isn't a bigger hyperbole.

"Trump would NEVER do THAT!!"

Take a shot.

You are exactly proving my point, saying that any president is going to cause genocide is idiotic and extreme(whether from the left or right). This just a poor attempt by you to score some points when you know that I am actually right.

[Gormwood]

"Trump would NEVER do THAT!!"

Take a shot.

You are exactly proving my point, saying that any president is going to cause genocide is idiotic and extreme(whether from the left or right). This just a poor attempt by you to score some points when you know that I am actually right.

And how many times have people insisted he'd never do something only for him to do exactly just that? He breaks norms and conventions with sociopathic casualness.

[Slaughter None]

You are exactly proving my point, saying that any president is going to cause genocide is idiotic and extreme(whether from the left or right). This just a poor attempt by you to score some points when you know that I am actually right.

And how many times have people insisted he'd never do something only for him to do exactly just that? He breaks norms and conventions with sociopathic casualness.

Like what? And don't say conspiracy theories like "Russia- Collusion" or "Ukraine call" only something with actual evidence.

[Gormwood]

And how many times have people insisted he'd never do something only for him to do exactly just that? He breaks norms and conventions with sociopathic casualness.

Like what? And don't say conspiracy theories like "Russia- Collusion" or "Ukraine call" only something with actual evidence.

Like sending in Homeland Security paramilitary to blackbag protestors or even innocent people caught in the vicinity? And just because the GOP acquitted for partisan reasons it doesn't absolve Trump. Robert Mueller (a Republican) even said if he could prove Trump's innocence he would have stated it.

[Vassenor]

And how many times have people insisted he'd never do something only for him to do exactly just that? He breaks norms and conventions with sociopathic casualness.

Like what? And don't say conspiracy theories like "Russia- Collusion" or "Ukraine call" only something with actual evidence.

Remember, they're conspiracies if they make Trump look bad, even if there's a mountain of evidence and criminal convictions to support them.

[Slaughter None]

Like what? And don't say conspiracy theories like "Russia- Collusion" or "Ukraine call" only something with actual evidence.

Like sending in Homeland Security paramilitary to blackbag protestors or even innocent people caught in the vicinity? And just because the GOP acquitted for partisan reasons it doesn't absolve Trump. Robert Mueller (a Republican) even said if he could prove Trump's innocence he would have stated it.

Homeland security send the troops into Portland themselves and no innocent civilians have been arrested infact the infamous footage of a rioter being taken was only for interrogation and they had identified themselves before and also told him the reason why he was being taken in. And don't get me started about the impeachment trial the democrats made the impeachment process into a simple vote of no confidence and this all based on Mueller having evidence which he didn't otherwise he would have absolutely no reason not to say that in the trial.

[Cop Met]

Muh despite making 13% of the population blacks commit 50% of crime” classic 10 IQ authright argument, just as retarded as “that wasn’t true communism”

It's not "50% of crime". It's about 50% of murders. It's "only" 26% of all crime and 38% of all violent crime.

Anyway, why is that a "10 IQ" argument? Seems pretty relevant to me. It's not rocket science that committing crime increases the chance of coming into contact with the police. Add violence, gang-relation, weapons, resistance etc. into the mix and the risk of getting shot by police increases drastically.

Are you saying those numbers aren't true?

You claim whites make up half of all police murders but according to this actual source(not made up bigoted claims), last year 370 out of the 1000+ police shooting victims are white. So basically, despite making 70% of the population, whites make up only a little over a third of police shooting victims. Meanwhile last year, 230 blacks were killed by police, meaning that they make up a quarter of the US police victims. That is disproportionate since blacks make up 12.5% of the US population.

Oh dear.... so much stupid in so few words. Where do I even begin.

1. Facts don't become "made up" just because they contradict your delusions and the propaganda you blindly consume, and they don't become "bigoted" just because they don't fit your 'woke' ideology.

2. White people only make up about 61% of the population, not 70%.

3. According to your own source, white people made up 52.3%, 46.1%, 50.4% and 50.6% of the people of known race killed by police in 2020, 2019, 2018 and 2017 respectively.
That's a lot closer to half than "a little over a third".

4. This is a red herring. It's irrelevant whether white people make up 50%, 40% of 30% of the people killed by police. Population size also doesn't matter. What matters is that black people commit more violent crime and come into more interactions with police as a result, yet are killed less than white people are - and that's despite the fact that black people are more likely to resist arrest; more likely to attempt to flee; more likely to attack the police and are more likely to kill police.

Based on the numbers alone (26% of all crime, 38% of all violent crime, 52% of all murders, 41% of cop killers) we'd expect black people to make up a lot more of the people killed by police. If anything, they're benefiting from preferential treatment.

5. You call all 1000+ people killed by police "victims". They're not. Close to 99% are shot in self-defense. Only about 1-3% are killed on accident and can be considered actual victims.

yet you overlook basic human psychology.

I'm going to ignore most of that paragraph because it was pure nonsense. I do want to address this last part, though, cause you can't have your cake and eat it too.

So far you've argued that black people are more likely to get killed by police, presumably because of "racism", and denied that it might have something to do with the higher crime rates, and even implied that they aren't higher at all. Yet now you seem to be making excuses for these high crime rates. What is it, then? Do black people commit more crime or not?

[Ifreann]

As someone who is disabled and bisexual (realized it in 2013), and who likes to double checks history now and then, I am not expecting to make it through this, knowing the writing's been on the wall since 2016, at least for me

Ok, tell me you have survived since 2016-2020 under this adminstration so why why would you be massacred in the next term if Trump wins. That's what I don't get about the left he is only a president who will eventually leave office and will be forgotten in the coming decades, he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal and act like "Hating Trump" is your religion. You don't like him fine, you think he is idiotic fine , you don't like his policies fine but saying that he is going to recreate the holocaust is a little bit too much.

It's ridiculous enough in ordinary times for people to act like politics is a game, just a sport where you support your team and if they don't win, that sucks, but there's always next time, no big deal. But people are dying in droves every day because of the political response to the covid-19 pandemic. How the fuck can you say "he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal" when people are fucking dead because of him?

[Slaughter None]

Like what? And don't say conspiracy theories like "Russia- Collusion" or "Ukraine call" only something with actual evidence.

Remember, they're conspiracies if they make Trump look bad, even if there's a mountain of evidence and criminal convictions to support them.

Only evidence the democrats have provided is that they have said that there is.

[Gormwood]

Ok, tell me you have survived since 2016-2020 under this adminstration so why why would you be massacred in the next term if Trump wins. That's what I don't get about the left he is only a president who will eventually leave office and will be forgotten in the coming decades, he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal and act like "Hating Trump" is your religion. You don't like him fine, you think he is idiotic fine , you don't like his policies fine but saying that he is going to recreate the holocaust is a little bit too much.

It's ridiculous enough in ordinary times for people to act like politics is a game, just a sport where you support your team and if they don't win, that sucks, but there's always next time, no big deal. But people are dying in droves every day because of the political response to the covid-19 pandemic. How the fuck can you say "he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal" when people are fucking dead because of him?

Because it's mostly Libs dying. /s

[Cop Met]

Learn to read, plaese.

Learn to spell please

Ah, yes. "Winning" by pointing out obvious typos. A clear sign that you've lost the debate and have given up.

[Vassenor]

Remember, they're conspiracies if they make Trump look bad, even if there's a mountain of evidence and criminal convictions to support them.

Only evidence the democrats have provided is that they have said that there is.

OK now you're not making sense. Or are we pretending that all the people who went to jail over the Collusion thing don't exist?

[Fartsniffage]

Like sending in Homeland Security paramilitary to blackbag protestors or even innocent people caught in the vicinity? And just because the GOP acquitted for partisan reasons it doesn't absolve Trump. Robert Mueller (a Republican) even said if he could prove Trump's innocence he would have stated it.

Homeland security send the troops into Portland themselves and no innocent civilians have been arrested infact the infamous footage of a rioter being taken was only for interrogation and they had identified themselves before and also told him the reason why he was being taken in. And don't get me started about the impeachment trial the democrats made the impeachment process into a simple vote of no confidence and this all based on Mueller having evidence which he didn't otherwise he would have absolutely no reason not to say that in the trial.

Reality disagrees with you.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-nap ... nstitution

[Slaughter None]

Ok, tell me you have survived since 2016-2020 under this adminstration so why why would you be massacred in the next term if Trump wins. That's what I don't get about the left he is only a president who will eventually leave office and will be forgotten in the coming decades, he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal and act like "Hating Trump" is your religion. You don't like him fine, you think he is idiotic fine , you don't like his policies fine but saying that he is going to recreate the holocaust is a little bit too much.

It's ridiculous enough in ordinary times for people to act like politics is a game, just a sport where you support your team and if they don't win, that sucks, but there's always next time, no big deal. But people are dying in droves every day because of the political response to the covid-19 pandemic. How the fuck can you say "he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal" when people are fucking dead because of him?

Aren't democratic run cities the worst hit in comparision to their population and also haven't people died in previous terms and blaming the president for the deaths caused by the ineptitude of regional leaders isn't fair eg. When the Google servers are down do you blame Sundar Pichai or the technical team?

[Slaughter None]

Homeland security send the troops into Portland themselves and no innocent civilians have been arrested infact the infamous footage of a rioter being taken was only for interrogation and they had identified themselves before and also told him the reason why he was being taken in. And don't get me started about the impeachment trial the democrats made the impeachment process into a simple vote of no confidence and this all based on Mueller having evidence which he didn't otherwise he would have absolutely no reason not to say that in the trial.

Reality disagrees with you.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-nap ... nstitution

This does not say anything about what I stated

[Cop Met]

I love how you completely ignore the statistics I just gave you

I love how you’re talking about statistics but have no response to statistics being shown to you

I love how you
1. give someone 5 minutes to respond before starting to whine
and
2. think that these most basic statistics aren't some that I have seen before and that they will somehow make me completely flustered and admit I was wrong

Anyway, I finally got to your comment and destroyed your argument with your own statistics.

[Gormwood]

Remember, they're conspiracies if they make Trump look bad, even if there's a mountain of evidence and criminal convictions to support them.

Only evidence the democrats have provided is that they have said that there is.

Hey, if it's good enough to "prove" Tucker Carlson was actually doxxed...

[Fartsniffage]

Reality disagrees with you.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-nap ... nstitution

This does not say anything about what I stated

“They certainly can't do what they have been doing in Oregon, which is arresting people without a warrant and without probable cause, holding them for a few hours and then letting them go,” he went on to explain. “So they have to be restrained and they have to confine their activity to the federal property.”

He also noted that federal agents “have to wear uniforms that identify them.”

“They can't wear fatigues with a piece of tape that says ‘police.’ Why not? Because if you have an encounter with one of them, you are entitled to know the name of the human being with whom you are having an encounter,” Napolitano explained.

[Slaughter None]

Only evidence the democrats have provided is that they have said that there is.

Hey, if it's good enough to "prove" Tucker Carlson was actually doxxed...

That is not the topic of this thread and I think a reporter being doxxed is much different from a president being impeached.

[Ifreann]

It's ridiculous enough in ordinary times for people to act like politics is a game, just a sport where you support your team and if they don't win, that sucks, but there's always next time, no big deal. But people are dying in droves every day because of the political response to the covid-19 pandemic. How the fuck can you say "he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal" when people are fucking dead because of him?

Aren't democratic run cities the worst hit in comparision to their population

That you are trying to shift the blame for the response to a pandemic away from the national government, which is obviously best positioned to deal with a global crisis, to municipal governments, which are very limited in what they can do in terms of responding to a global crisis, only further proves that you view politics as a game. You're trying to make excuses for your favourite team by attacking their rival team.

and also haven't people died in previous terms and blaming the president for the deaths caused by the ineptitude of regional leaders isn't fair eg. When the Google servers are down do you blame Sundar Pichai or the technical team?

So when the President fails in leading the national response to a global crisis, "he is just a politician you don't have to take it so personal". But when some mayor somewhere can't stop the global crisis from hitting their city especially hard, now we can care? Fucking come on.