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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:05 am

Cop Met wrote:
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One which we haven't already critically dissected and debunked in this thread the last time someone tried these talking points.

Links to Wikipedia and The Washington Post doesn't "critically dissect" or "debunk" anything. You really should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. This is hilarious.


No sir ... or madam. There is nothing hilarious about watching you get torn to shreds. It's like watching a cockfight except you're no cock.

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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:13 am

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Cop Met wrote:You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right?


Wrong. A white American is less likely to get killed by police than a black American.

You seem to be good at proving people wrong. Prove that wrong.

Wrong. You have been brainwashed by the media. And you're apparently too lazy to bother looking up the statistics yourself, or you looked them up, but were too stupid to understand them.

Black Americans account for 26% of all crime, 38% of all violent crime, 52% of all murders, and make up 41% of cop killers. Yet they only make up 24% of people killed by police.
White Americans commit significantly less violent crime, almost half as many murders, and attack/kill cops much less frequently. Yet white people make up about 50% of people killed by police.

Where's the "anti-black systemic racism"?

Also, studies back up the statistics:

"In all three experiments using a more externally valid research method than previous studies, we found that participants took longer to shoot Black suspects than White or Hispanic suspects.
In addition, where errors were made, participants across experiments were more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects,
and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects.
In sum, this research found that participants displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects in their decisions to shoot."

- https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 012-9163-y

"Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites"
- https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that- ... homicides/

"Across these 300 interviews, I have multiple officers telling me that they didn’t shoot only because the suspect was black or the suspect was a woman, or something that would not be consistent with this narrative of cops out there running and gunning,"
- https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ack-suspe/

Sorry to burst your bubble. But committing a crime and then shooting at the police does increase the risk of getting shot by the police.
That's not "racism", that's just appropriate consequences for bad behavior.

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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:14 am

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Cop Met wrote:War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

What a time to be alive.


Resorting to buzzwords in lieu of an argument. Everybody drink.

Aaaaand you're still projecting.

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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:16 am

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Cop Met wrote:That's not what I said. Learn to read. Strawman arguments are boring.

Then why do you keep making them?

I haven't made any. You must be confused.
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Postby Aeritai » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:16 am

Wow this thread got very heated.... As for these kidnappings they are concerning to hear about.
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:16 am

VlaRiSsiA wrote:
Cop Met wrote:War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

What a time to be alive.

You do realize that Orwell was a socialist and would happily oppose the police in this situation

1. I do't think he would.
2. That's entirely irrelevant.

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Postby No State Here » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:19 am

The second amendment exists for this very reason. Arm up boys!
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:20 am

No State Here wrote:The second amendment exists for this very reason. Arm up boys!

And get in a gunfight with federal agents? Sounds pretty dangerous.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
No State Here wrote:The second amendment exists for this very reason. Arm up boys!

And get in a gunfight with federal agents? Sounds pretty dangerous.


But you expect people to virtue signal instead?

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Postby Soiled fruit roll ups » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:23 am

No State Here wrote:The second amendment exists for this very reason. Arm up boys!


This is more a let the dumbs fight each other situation.
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Postby Page » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:24 am

Cop Met wrote:
VlaRiSsiA wrote:You do realize that Orwell was a socialist and would happily oppose the police in this situation

1. I do't think he would.
2. That's entirely irrelevant.


Well, regardless of what Orwell would think, it remains a fact that everything negative said about the protesters goes double for the cops.
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:25 am

VlaRiSsiA wrote:
Cop Met wrote:I don't expect you to ever be convinced of anything that doesn't fit your narrative, just like I wouldn't expect to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is spherical, even if I took him into space and showed him.

If you actually cared about the truth and had the mental capacity to understand simple statistics, you'd already know.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/. Black people make up a quarter of police shooting deaths while only being a tenth of the US population. Meanwhile whites, who make up 2/3 of the US, only make up a little over a third of police shooting deaths.

Aaaaand, there we have it. The expected usual 70 IQ argument from the left. :roll:

You don't think this (i.imgur.com/1hlMy1x.png) would be relevant to add to the equation?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:27 am

Nakena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And get in a gunfight with federal agents? Sounds pretty dangerous.


But you expect people to virtue signal instead?

I haven't expressed any expectation, except that the feds aren't going to meekly give up on this oppression at the mere sight of guns.
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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:28 am

Cop Met wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Wrong. A white American is less likely to get killed by police than a black American.

You seem to be good at proving people wrong. Prove that wrong.

Wrong. You have been brainwashed by the media. And you're apparently too lazy to bother looking up the statistics yourself, or you looked them up, but were too stupid to understand them.

Black Americans account for 26% of all crime, 38% of all violent crime, 52% of all murders, and make up 41% of cop killers. Yet they only make up 24% of people killed by police.
White Americans commit significantly less violent crime, almost half as many murders, and attack/kill cops much less frequently. Yet white people make up about 50% of people killed by police.

Where's the "anti-black systemic racism"?

Also, studies back up the statistics:

"In all three experiments using a more externally valid research method than previous studies, we found that participants took longer to shoot Black suspects than White or Hispanic suspects.
In addition, where errors were made, participants across experiments were more likely to shoot unarmed White suspects than unarmed Black or Hispanic suspects,
and were more likely to fail to shoot armed Black suspects than armed White or Hispanic suspects.
In sum, this research found that participants displayed significant bias favoring Black suspects in their decisions to shoot."

- https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 012-9163-y

"Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites"
- https://nypost.com/2017/09/26/all-that- ... homicides/

"Across these 300 interviews, I have multiple officers telling me that they didn’t shoot only because the suspect was black or the suspect was a woman, or something that would not be consistent with this narrative of cops out there running and gunning,"
- https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ack-suspe/

Sorry to burst your bubble. But committing a crime and then shooting at the police does increase the risk of getting shot by the police.
That's not "racism", that's just appropriate consequences for bad behavior.
“Muh despite making 13% of the population blacks commit 50% of crime” classic 10 IQ authright argument, just as retarded as “that wasn’t true communism”

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/
You claim whites make up half of all police murders but according to this actual source(not made up bigoted claims), last year 370 out of the 1000+ police shooting victims are white. So basically, despite making 70% of the population, whites make up only a little over a third of police shooting victims. Meanwhile last year, 230 blacks were killed by police, meaning that they make up a quarter of the US police victims. That is disproportionate since blacks make up 12.5% of the US population. Also, when you claim they make up half of the crime, you have to look into context and history. The majority of black people arrested have been arrested for drug offenses or otherwise victimless crimes. This is not violent crime, it is simply something one cannot control. You also have to look into the hundreds of years of persecution blacks have been through in America. Only until 1865, slavery was ended, and segregation was only ended in 1965. You act like the civil rights act automatically erases racism, yet you overlook basic human psychology.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
No State Here wrote:The second amendment exists for this very reason. Arm up boys!

And get in a gunfight with federal agents? Sounds pretty dangerous.

The Bundy Bunch proved that being heavily armed makes the feds respectful. There can't possibly be any other factors involved, right?
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:30 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Cop Met wrote:I don't expect you to ever be convinced of anything that doesn't fit your narrative, just like I wouldn't expect to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is spherical, even if I took him into space and showed him.

If you actually cared about the truth and had the mental capacity to understand simple statistics, you'd already know.


No, listen to this again.

I've heard this unsubstantiated and easily refuted claim a billion times already.
A black American is more than two times as likely to be killed by police, as a white American.

Wrong. A white American is more likely to get killed during an encounter with police than a black American is. That's despite the fact that black Americans are much more likely to resist arrest, attempt to flee, attack the police and make up 41% of cop killers.
This directly contradicts your claim

Yes, your baseless and simple-minded claim contradicts facts and reality.

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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:31 am

Cop Met wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
No, listen to this again.

I've heard this unsubstantiated and easily refuted claim a billion times already.
A black American is more than two times as likely to be killed by police, as a white American.

Wrong. A white American is more likely to get killed during an encounter with police than a black American is. That's despite the fact that black Americans are much more likely to resist arrest, attempt to flee, attack the police and make up 41% of cop killers.
This directly contradicts your claim

Yes, your baseless and simple-minded claim contradicts facts and reality.

I love how you completely ignore the statistics I just gave you
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tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:35 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cop Met wrote:I don't expect you to ever be convinced of anything that doesn't fit your narrative, just like I wouldn't expect to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is spherical, even if I took him into space and showed him.

If you actually cared about the truth and had the mental capacity to understand simple statistics, you'd already know.

So "no" then.

Learn to read, plaese.
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Let's start slow. One at a time.

Black Americans make up 24% of the people killed by police officers but make up 41% of the people who kill police officers.
Does that sound like "systemic racism" and "oppression"?

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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:36 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cop Met wrote:I don't expect you to ever be convinced of anything that doesn't fit your narrative, just like I wouldn't expect to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is spherical, even if I took him into space and showed him.

If you actually cared about the truth and had the mental capacity to understand simple statistics, you'd already know.

So "no" then.

Learn to read, plaese.
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Hit me.

Well, you're apparently having trouble with it.

Let's start slow. One at a time.

Black Americans make up 24% of the people killed by police officers but make up 41% of the people who kill police officers.
Does that sound like "systemic racism" and "oppression"?

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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:37 am

Cop Met wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:So "no" then.

Learn to read, plaese.
As an aside, I have a physics degree and design womds for a living. Basic math should be doable.
Hit me.

Well, you're apparently having trouble with it.

Let's start slow. One at a time.

Black Americans make up 24% of the people killed by police officers but make up 41% of the people who kill police officers.
Does that sound like "systemic racism" and "oppression"?

Bootlicking is one thing but I’ve never seen anyone deep throat a boot
Shrek may or may not have killed three hundred million people
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:38 am

Cop Met wrote:Learn to read, plaese.
Learn to spell please
Shrek may or may not have killed three hundred million people
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
pro: communism, progressivism, national liberation, internationalism
anti: capitalism, imperialism, fascism, conservatism

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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:40 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Cop Met wrote:Links to Wikipedia and The Washington Post doesn't "critically dissect" or "debunk" anything. You really should look up the Dunning-Kruger effect. This is hilarious.


No sir ... or madam. There is nothing hilarious about watching you get torn to shreds.

If I went onto a flat-Earth forum and claimed the Earth was spherical, I'd get dozens of whiny morons at my throat, too. That doesn't mean I'm being "torn to shreds". That just means you're a bunch of brainwashed sheep, desperately clinging onto your echo chamber "consensus".

I like how you're suddenly "leaving" now that statistics was brought to the table that completely debunks your bullshit delusions. But you do you. B-Bye... :kiss:

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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:43 am

Cop Met wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
No sir ... or madam. There is nothing hilarious about watching you get torn to shreds.

If I went onto a flat-Earth forum and claimed the Earth was spherical, I'd get dozens of whiny morons at my throat, too. That doesn't mean I'm being "torn to shreds". That just means you're a bunch of brainwashed sheep, desperately clinging onto your echo chamber "consensus".

I like how you're suddenly "leaving" now that statistics was brought to the table that completely debunks your bullshit delusions. But you do you. B-Bye... :kiss:

I love how you’re talking about statistics but have no response to statistics being shown to you
Shrek may or may not have killed three hundred million people
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
pro: communism, progressivism, national liberation, internationalism
anti: capitalism, imperialism, fascism, conservatism

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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:43 am

Page wrote:
Cop Met wrote:1. I do't think he would.
2. That's entirely irrelevant.


Well, regardless of what Orwell would think, it remains a fact that everything negative said about the protesters goes double for the cops.

Yeah, no... You need to stop believing everything you watch on the "news".

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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:45 am

Cop Met wrote:
Page wrote:
Well, regardless of what Orwell would think, it remains a fact that everything negative said about the protesters goes double for the cops.

Yeah, no... You need to stop believing everything you watch on the "news".

You need to stop believing everything you see on the “alternative media”
Shrek may or may not have killed three hundred million people
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
pro: communism, progressivism, national liberation, internationalism
anti: capitalism, imperialism, fascism, conservatism

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