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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:38 am

Stylan wrote:this is about the larger issue of systemic racism

Where? The only "systemic racism" seems to be against white people and to a lesser extent Asians.

You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right? Except no one cares about them when that happens. It's almost like the entire premise and narrative behind BLM is the exact opposite of reality. Who'd have thought. ;)

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:38 am

Cop Met wrote:
Stylan wrote:this is about the larger issue of systemic racism

Where? The only "systemic racism" seems to be against white people and to a lesser extent Asians.

You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right? Except no one cares about them when that happens. It's almost like the entire premise and narrative behind BLM is the exact opposite of reality. Who'd have thought. ;)


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Postby Neuer Deutsches Reich » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:39 am

The Plutonian Empire wrote:Call me overly paranoid, but...

The events in portland have me terrified for my life, even more so now that the US gov has plans to go nationwide and are not apologizing, and are singling out Democrat-controlled regions. I've been posting on all my social media cryptic goodbyes, because I am aware of the historical precedent: Nazi Germany's Gestapo. They targeted the disabled and the gays, in addition to Jews and political opponents

As someone who is disabled and bisexual (realized it in 2013), and who likes to double checks history now and then, I am not expecting to make it through this, knowing the writing's been on the wall since 2016, at least for me.

Here's hoping I'm wrong :(

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https://www.motherjones.com/anti-racism ... your-town/

The Trump administration says the Department of Homeland Security can occupy downtown Portland, tear gas protesters, and arrest people on city streets with little explanation. Critics say that’s fascist. DHS says it’s a model to take on the road.

“With as much lawbreaking is going on, we’re seeking to prosecute as many people as are breaking the law as it relates to federal jurisdiction,” acting Homeland Security Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli told NPR on Friday. “That’s not always happening with respect to local jurisdiction and local offenses. But, you know, this is a posture we intend to continue not just in Portland but in any of the facilities that we’re responsible for around the country.”

In Portland, DHS, defying the express wishes of elected officials, appears to be using the fig leaf of defending federal property to pursue President Donald Trump’s wish to forcibly suppress unrest. In what critics call clearly unconstitutional behavior, camouflage-clad officers—Mother Jones reported on Friday that they are Border Patrol agents—have arrested protesters, allegedly without identifying or explaining themselves. Federal officers have used tear gas and shot projectiles from paintball guns at protesters.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKCN24L1I1

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Monday said he would send law enforcement to more U.S. cities, as a federal crackdown on anti-racism protests in Oregon with unmarked cars and unidentified forces angered people across the country.

Trump, a Republican, cited New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore and Oakland, California, as places to send federal agents, noting the cities’ mayors were “liberal Democrats.” Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot frequently blasts Trump on Twitter.

“We’re sending law enforcement,” Trump told reporters at the White House. “We can’t let this happen to the cities.”

State and local leaders in Oregon, as well as members of Congress, have called for Trump to remove Department of Homeland Security secret police forces from Portland, Oregon, after videos showed unidentified federal personnel rounding up people and whisking them away in black minivans.

I am no american, but when provinces do not stop absurd and uncontrollable protests, i support the national government sending in forces to deal with it. If you call this fascist then i do not know what fascism really is. We have also seen fascist actions by some BLM protesters and antifa, but when they do it it is peaceful protest. The protests need to be put down when it is becoming violent, looting, burning houses and businesses, destroying statues. If the local government doesn't do it, it is up to the national government.

I am no American and Trump is a bad leader, but if the democrats are too scared and hopeless to do anything then i support Trump sending in some force.


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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:39 am

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Cop Met wrote:Sources? What sources? You mean online activist blogs spewing propaganda like the Washington Post? :rofl:

Show me someone who's been "kidnapped" by the police and "disappeared", then we'll talk.

If they disappeared, showing them would be quite hard... unless the poster is the kidnapper ;)

By your "logic" no one could ever prove any act of kidnapping. :eyebrow:

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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:39 am

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Cop Met wrote:Where? The only "systemic racism" seems to be against white people and to a lesser extent Asians.

You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right? Except no one cares about them when that happens. It's almost like the entire premise and narrative behind BLM is the exact opposite of reality. Who'd have thought. ;)


Oh here we go again. Get your bingo cards out everyone.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:39 am

Cop Met wrote:
Stylan wrote:this is about the larger issue of systemic racism

Where? The only "systemic racism" seems to be against white people and to a lesser extent Asians.

You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right? Except no one cares about them when that happens. It's almost like the entire premise and narrative behind BLM is the exact opposite of reality. Who'd have thought. ;)


And no doubt you have an amazing source for that which will totally shut everyone up and show you are superior once you post it.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:40 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cop Met wrote:Where? The only "systemic racism" seems to be against white people and to a lesser extent Asians.

You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right? Except no one cares about them when that happens. It's almost like the entire premise and narrative behind BLM is the exact opposite of reality. Who'd have thought. ;)


And no doubt you have an amazing source for that which will totally shut everyone up and show you are superior once you post it.


One which we haven't already critically dissected and debunked in this thread the last time someone tried these talking points.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
And no doubt you have an amazing source for that which will totally shut everyone up and show you are superior once you post it.


One which we haven't already critically dissected and debunked in this thread the last time someone tried these talking points.

This thread is quite new. Perhaps he has not seen the several thousands of pages that came before.
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:41 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The first bit was more or less right.

And the part about the people burning down buildings and assaulting people being fascists. It's just that that description fits the cops more than anyone else.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:41 am

Cop Met wrote:You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right?


Wrong. A white American is less likely to get killed by police than a black American.

You seem to be good at proving people wrong. Prove that wrong.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:42 am

Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:
The Plutonian Empire wrote:Call me overly paranoid, but...

The events in portland have me terrified for my life, even more so now that the US gov has plans to go nationwide and are not apologizing, and are singling out Democrat-controlled regions. I've been posting on all my social media cryptic goodbyes, because I am aware of the historical precedent: Nazi Germany's Gestapo. They targeted the disabled and the gays, in addition to Jews and political opponents

As someone who is disabled and bisexual (realized it in 2013), and who likes to double checks history now and then, I am not expecting to make it through this, knowing the writing's been on the wall since 2016, at least for me.

Here's hoping I'm wrong :(

Relevant news bits:

https://www.motherjones.com/anti-racism ... your-town/




https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob ... SKCN24L1I1


I am no american, but when provinces do not stop absurd and uncontrollable protests, i support the national government sending in forces to deal with it. If you call this fascist then i do not know what fascism really is. We have also seen fascist actions by some BLM protesters and antifa, but when they do it it is peaceful protest. The protests need to be put down when it is becoming violent, looting, burning houses and businesses, destroying statues. If the local government doesn't do it, it is up to the national government.

I am no American and Trump is a bad leader, but if the democrats are too scared and hopeless to do anything then i support Trump sending in some force.


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So what "absurd and uncontrollable" protests were happening? What does the CHAZ have to do with this? Why would Tiananmen 2: IN AMERICA!! not be an atrocity?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:42 am

Cop Met wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And the part about the people burning down buildings and assaulting people being fascists. It's just that that description fits the cops more than anyone else.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

What a time to be alive.


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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:43 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Cop Met wrote:You do realize that white Americans are more likely to get killed by police than black Americans are, right?


Wrong. A white American is less likely to get killed by police than a black American.

You seem to be good at proving people wrong. Prove that wrong.

Usually it's people pulling the strings of a puppet. Must be Soviet Russia.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:44 am

Cop Met wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And the part about the people burning down buildings and assaulting people being fascists. It's just that that description fits the cops more than anyone else.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.


Nice quote.
Out of interest: did you actually read the book ? Because, you know, there is some irony in you posting it ;)
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:44 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Cop Met wrote:Amazing... another leftist... projecting.


Saying you're wrong, means they're wrong.

That's not what I said. Learn to read. Strawman arguments are boring.
Calling people you don't know "leftists" isn't polite. Don't make a habit of it.

I'm judging someone based on their actions and words. I don't need to know what he eats for breakfast or what his favorite movie is. That's fair, right? He's a leftist.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:45 am

Cop Met wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Saying you're wrong, means they're wrong.

That's not what I said. Learn to read. Strawman arguments are boring.
Calling people you don't know "leftists" isn't polite. Don't make a habit of it.

I'm judging someone based on their actions and words. I don't need to know what he eats for breakfast or what his favorite movie is. That's fair, right? He's a leftist.


So what's the projection in my post then? Given that you have yet to actually prove any of your points to be right.
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:46 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Any scepticism about your claim, proves the claim.

You're doing great so far, give us another one!

Ironically, this is partially how actual cult brainwashing works.

Ironically, you don't get the irony. You are part of the brainwashed cult and this is how you think.

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:46 am

Cop Met wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Saying you're wrong, means they're wrong.

That's not what I said. Learn to read. Strawman arguments are boring.

Then why do you keep making them?
Calling people you don't know "leftists" isn't polite. Don't make a habit of it.

I'm judging someone based on their actions and words. I don't need to know what he eats for breakfast or what his favorite movie is. That's fair, right? He's a leftist.

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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:46 am

Cop Met wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:And the part about the people burning down buildings and assaulting people being fascists. It's just that that description fits the cops more than anyone else.

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength.

What a time to be alive.

You do realize that Orwell was a socialist and would happily oppose the police in this situation
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:46 am

Maybe I should make a shitposting puppet account so people will be unable to tune me out.
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:47 am

Vassenor wrote:
Cop Met wrote:Amazing... another leftist... projecting.


So are you actually going to provide evidence for your claims so we can discuss them critically, or are we just supposed to blindly accept that you're correct like brainwashed sheep?

Blindly accepting things like brainwashed sheep is exactly what you're already doing.

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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:48 am

Cop Met wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So are you actually going to provide evidence for your claims so we can discuss them critically, or are we just supposed to blindly accept that you're correct like brainwashed sheep?

Blindly accepting things like brainwashed sheep is exactly what you're already doing.

I haven't seen you provide any sources to the contrary.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:48 am

Cop Met wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So are you actually going to provide evidence for your claims so we can discuss them critically, or are we just supposed to blindly accept that you're correct like brainwashed sheep?

Blindly accepting things like brainwashed sheep is exactly what you're already doing.

Obviously false - they are not blindly believing YOU.
So you should be proud of them.
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Postby Cop Met » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:49 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Cop Met wrote:You're projecting, still. Do you guys never get tired of that?


That was my first reply to you. How could I be projecting still?

You're all NPCs. A hivemind without individual thought.
There's more than one of us here. Between us we can put a lot more on the page than you alone can. Going as fast as you can isn't going to help you,

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in fact you'll just make more mistakes.

Haven't made any yet.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:50 am

Cop Met wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So are you actually going to provide evidence for your claims so we can discuss them critically, or are we just supposed to blindly accept that you're correct like brainwashed sheep?

Blindly accepting things like brainwashed sheep is exactly what you're already doing.


So let's see your evidence then rather than demanding we blindly accept what you've said.
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