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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:18 pm

Andsed wrote:
Torisakia wrote:My plan (which has been my plan all along) is to just not get involved in the situation. They can't kidnap you if you don't participate. Five-dimensional chess, you know.

Necroghastia wrote:Law enforcement agents aren’t targeting protesters who engaged in violence; they appear to be sweeping up random people who have exercised their rights under the First Amendment.

Like Mark Pettibone, 29, who was heading home in the early hours of Wednesday morning when, according to The Post’s Katie Shepherd, “several men in green military fatigues and generic ‘police’ patches sprang out of an unmarked gray minivan.” Pettibone was detained, searched, driven to the federal courthouse, placed in a holding cell and read his Miranda rights against self-incrimination. He declined to waive them. And then, about 90 minutes later, he was released.

“I just happened to be wearing black on a sidewalk in downtown Portland at the time,” Pettibone told Oregon Public Broadcasting. “And that apparently is grounds for detaining me.”

Lie some more uwu

According to this you do not even have to be involved with the protest or committing a crime to be detained. So basically if you look slightly suspicious you could just be detained. Merica am I right?

I never go outside. It would be hard for them to think I'm suspicious if they never even see me. Unless they start doing home invasions next. With me talking all this shit about how bad America is, they're liable to come for me.
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Postby Porotia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:15 pm

All this civil unrest, Portland included, will tear apart this country and cause infighting among neighbors, co-workers, and between people on the street who never met each other before. It's like a violent game of laser-tag between the two teams, Red (Repub) and Blue (Demo).

It all boils down to 3 sides:
  • The Left, who pushes for the destruction of the 'nuclear family' and the abolition of police, the legalization of polygamy (Some are for it, but not all of them), and the end of the 2nd Amendment. And, just like the Right, which is mentioned below, the Left is currently pushing for a moron (one whose brain is made of soup) to be elected President.
  • The Right, who pushes for the preservation of the police (I want law enforcement, but they gotta hire better, more competent officers), the protection of the 2nd Amendment, and protection of traditional ways (like the 'nuclear family', monogamy, etc.). And, like the Left, the Right also pushes for a moron (in this case, a businessman who thinks "business & politics are practically the same thing") to be elected President.
  • And then there's everyone else, who worries every day that either someone is going to attack them for doing something normal, that someone will make a false accusation against them, or that they'll get fired for literally anything. As the stock image boomer meme put it perfectly: "Man, I just wanna grill for God's sake"
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People will call me racist for the following, and I honestly don't care and won't blame them if they do.

If everyone made offensive jokes and/or used offensive words and slurs, be it about race, sexuality, religion, culture, etc., the result would be that nobody would get upset about it anymore, as everyone would be doing the same. In it's verbal form, racism and sexism would not exist anymore.

Wahlid wrote:I really hope this kind of stuff doesn't continue or escalate during the next administration...

Seeing how things are going here, I don't think there will even be a country for there to be a next administration.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:43 pm

Porotia wrote:[*]The Left, who pushes for the destruction of the 'nuclear family'


Nitpick: saying "option A is fine, but so are options B and C" is not "pushing to destroy" option A.
Otoh, insisting "only option A is allowed" because that happens to be the option you personally favour reeks of oppression.
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Postby Nilokeras » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:47 pm

Porotia wrote:And then there's everyone else, who worries every day that either someone is going to attack them for doing something normal, that someone will make a false accusation against them, or that they'll get fired for literally anything. As the stock image boomer meme put it perfectly: "Man, I just wanna grill for God's sake"


It's sad to see that you have such a low opinion of your fellow Americans that you think they're so cucked as to be fixated on being cancelled at their job and not thinking about how they'll go bankrupt if they have a medical emergency or how their credit card bills get bigger every month or how their boss doesn't pay them enough to get by or a million other mundane things that actually have relevance to peoples' lives.

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Postby Torisakia » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:10 pm

Porotia wrote:If everyone made offensive jokes and/or used offensive words and slurs, be it about race, sexuality, religion, culture, etc., the result would be that nobody would get upset about it anymore, as everyone would be doing the same. In it's verbal form, racism and sexism would not exist anymore.

Nah, that's too easy. We gotta make it difficult, you know. Can't let the world think we take the easy way out.
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Postby Slaughter None » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:26 pm

Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves? As well as the "protester" being pulled into the unmarked van was told why he was being taken for interrogation as well as the badges of the arresting officers were clearly visible.
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Postby Soiled fruit roll ups » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:27 pm

Kinda interested now in how this is going to go national, to handle higher tier organised crime. Large gangs, bikies, mafia, Anarchists and other terrorists. Violent individuals, you know.

Kinda stinks of secret police. But if they could just add transparency while maintaining the methods for Violent federal crimes. Then it might just be acceptable.

Not to compare mandarins to navels but getting the violent members of my own community removed would have made my own, and my friends lives just straight better, safer and less bad.

Now to think wether Donald "the least bad option" Trump has investment in private prisons. Because he always corrupts things to his own silver lining. And mass demand for prisons would be a strong windfall for him.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:28 am

Porotia wrote:All this civil unrest, Portland included, will tear apart this country and cause infighting among neighbors, co-workers, and between people on the street who never met each other before. It's like a violent game of laser-tag between the two teams, Red (Repub) and Blue (Demo).

It all boils down to 3 sides:
  • The Left, who pushes for the destruction of the 'nuclear family' and the abolition of police, the legalization of polygamy (Some are for it, but not all of them), and the end of the 2nd Amendment. And, just like the Right, which is mentioned below, the Left is currently pushing for a moron (one whose brain is made of soup) to be elected President.
  • The Right, who pushes for the preservation of the police (I want law enforcement, but they gotta hire better, more competent officers), the protection of the 2nd Amendment, and protection of traditional ways (like the 'nuclear family', monogamy, etc.). And, like the Left, the Right also pushes for a moron (in this case, a businessman who thinks "business & politics are practically the same thing") to be elected President.
  • And then there's everyone else, who worries every day that either someone is going to attack them for doing something normal, that someone will make a false accusation against them, or that they'll get fired for literally anything. As the stock image boomer meme put it perfectly: "Man, I just wanna grill for God's sake"
(Image)
"Man, I just wanna grill for God's sake"


People will call me racist for the following, and I honestly don't care and won't blame them if they do.

If everyone made offensive jokes and/or used offensive words and slurs, be it about race, sexuality, religion, culture, etc., the result would be that nobody would get upset about it anymore, as everyone would be doing the same. In it's verbal form, racism and sexism would not exist anymore.

Wahlid wrote:I really hope this kind of stuff doesn't continue or escalate during the next administration...

Seeing how things are going here, I don't think there will even be a country for there to be a next administration.

Thanks for the cringy copypasta. Loved the out of touch, half-baked, puddle-deep social commentary and boomer-level bullshitting about what "The Left" wants. Screenshotting this for posterity.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:30 am

Slaughter None wrote:Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves? As well as the "protester" being pulled into the unmarked van was told why he was being taken for interrogation as well as the badges of the arresting officers were clearly visible.

Dude, you're not a reliable source.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:48 am

Slaughter None wrote:Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves? As well as the "protester" being pulled into the unmarked van was told why he was being taken for interrogation as well as the badges of the arresting officers were clearly visible.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:07 am

Slaughter None wrote:Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves?


That's probably what Trump is going to say when it all turns turd shaped on him.

Or perhaps he'll say "I would happily explain it to you ... but you understand it's classified"
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:50 am

Slaughter None wrote:Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves?

Are you saying that Homeland Security has gone rogue? Because that is extremely serious. If Homeland Security aren't acting on legitimate federal authority then this is actually a massive criminal campaign to terrorise the American people and the whole department needs arresting ASAP.
As well as the "protester" being pulled into the unmarked van was told why he was being taken for interrogation as well as the badges of the arresting officers were clearly visible.

Is this according to the terrorists in Homeland Security?
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Postby Slaughter None » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves?

Are you saying that Homeland Security has gone rogue? Because that is extremely serious. If Homeland Security aren't acting on legitimate federal authority then this is actually a massive criminal campaign to terrorise the American people and the whole department needs arresting ASAP.
As well as the "protester" being pulled into the unmarked van was told why he was being taken for interrogation as well as the badges of the arresting officers were clearly visible.

Is this according to the terrorists in Homeland Security?

Read it here:-
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/01/dhs ... nd-statues

They have not become rogue they have gone in to "protect monuments, memorials and statues". This is not part of Operation Legend and also aren't HS the ones who fight against domestic terrorism ;) ?

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Postby Slaughter None » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:06 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:Do you guys even know that the HS troops in Portland are not even ordered in by Trump but actually by HS themselves?


That's probably what Trump is going to say when it all turns turd shaped on him.

Or perhaps he'll say "I would happily explain it to you ... but you understand it's classified"

That's only an assumption.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:12 am

Slaughter None wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Are you saying that Homeland Security has gone rogue? Because that is extremely serious. If Homeland Security aren't acting on legitimate federal authority then this is actually a massive criminal campaign to terrorise the American people and the whole department needs arresting ASAP.

Is this according to the terrorists in Homeland Security?

Read it here:-
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/01/dhs ... nd-statues

They have not become rogue they have gone in to "protect monuments, memorials and statues".

“DHS is answering the President’s call to use our law enforcement personnel across the country to protect our historic landmarks,” said Acting Secretary Wolf.

So this is happening on Trump's orders.
This is not part of Operation Legend and also aren't HS the ones who fight against domestic terrorism ;) ?

You're the one who was just saying that they weren't acting on the President's orders. And I believe we have already seen an explanation about how it is illegal to grab people off the street and take them away for questioning without probable cause.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:18 am

Ifreann wrote:
Slaughter None wrote:Read it here:-
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/01/dhs ... nd-statues

They have not become rogue they have gone in to "protect monuments, memorials and statues".

“DHS is answering the President’s call to use our law enforcement personnel across the country to protect our historic landmarks,” said Acting Secretary Wolf.

So this is happening on Trump's orders.
This is not part of Operation Legend and also aren't HS the ones who fight against domestic terrorism ;) ?

You're the one who was just saying that they weren't acting on the President's orders. And I believe we have already seen an explanation about how it is illegal to grab people off the street and take them away for questioning without probable cause.


Trump would have used the military a month ago but the military told him they would have viewed it as an unlawful order.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:23 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
So this is happening on Trump's orders.

You're the one who was just saying that they weren't acting on the President's orders. And I believe we have already seen an explanation about how it is illegal to grab people off the street and take them away for questioning without probable cause.


Trump would have used the military a month ago but the military told him they would have viewed it as an unlawful order.

I'm sure it's very upsetting for Trump every time he has to have it explained to him that there are limits on the powers of his office.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Trump would have used the military a month ago but the military told him they would have viewed it as an unlawful order.

I'm sure it's very upsetting for Trump every time he has to have it explained to him that there are limits on the powers of his office.


Lol can you imagine how the attorney whose job it is to explain that feels ?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:36 am

Greed and Death wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure it's very upsetting for Trump every time he has to have it explained to him that there are limits on the powers of his office.


Lol can you imagine how the attorney whose job it is to explain that feels ?

Severely underpaid.
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:36 am

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Kuraschia wrote:WHOOHOOO! Here comes a country that says freedom is great, but then they straight up start a military regime! It's really great to see how the US has gone from a decently developed 1st work country to a literal hellhole in like two months. Hopefully this means Trump is out, unless he decides to use ''emergency powers'' to lengthen his term.

He will. I can basically guarantee it. It's just a matter of time before Trump does cancel the election, tbh


Almost to be expected at this point. Trump's tried interfering with mail-in ballots, polling stations and what not.

Porotia wrote:All this civil unrest, Portland included, will tear apart this country and cause infighting among neighbors, co-workers, and between people on the street who never met each other before. It's like a violent game of laser-tag between the two teams, Red (Repub) and Blue (Demo).

It all boils down to 3 sides:
  • The Left, who pushes for the destruction of the 'nuclear family' and the abolition of police, the legalization of polygamy (Some are for it, but not all of them), and the end of the 2nd Amendment. And, just like the Right, which is mentioned below, the Left is currently pushing for a moron (one whose brain is made of soup) to be elected President.
  • The Right, who pushes for the preservation of the police (I want law enforcement, but they gotta hire better, more competent officers), the protection of the 2nd Amendment, and protection of traditional ways (like the 'nuclear family', monogamy, etc.). And, like the Left, the Right also pushes for a moron (in this case, a businessman who thinks "business & politics are practically the same thing") to be elected President.
  • And then there's everyone else, who worries every day that either someone is going to attack them for doing something normal, that someone will make a false accusation against them, or that they'll get fired for literally anything. As the stock image boomer meme put it perfectly: "Man, I just wanna grill for God's sake"
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People will call me racist for the following, and I honestly don't care and won't blame them if they do.

If everyone made offensive jokes and/or used offensive words and slurs, be it about race, sexuality, religion, culture, etc., the result would be that nobody would get upset about it anymore, as everyone would be doing the same. In it's verbal form, racism and sexism would not exist anymore.

Wahlid wrote:I really hope this kind of stuff doesn't continue or escalate during the next administration...

Seeing how things are going here, I don't think there will even be a country for there to be a next administration.


Yeah. Generalising the whole thing doesn't help. Unless Trump does decide to call in the military and shoot people out in the open, I highly doubt we'd see a civil war of any sorts. Pretty sure the non-concerned people are busy handling the pandemic, figuring out what's in their taxes , etc.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Lol can you imagine how the attorney whose job it is to explain that feels ?

Severely underpaid.

You're assuming Trump actually pays him in the first place.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:27 am

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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
That's probably what Trump is going to say when it all turns turd shaped on him.

Or perhaps he'll say "I would happily explain it to you ... but you understand it's classified"

That's only an assumption.


"That's probably ..." I said.

"Or perhaps ..." I said.

It wasn't an assumption, though you're close. It was speculation.

You seem to think that Trump didn't order HS to send in troops, and you base that on the lack of a published order from Trump.

So how about you try speculating now. If Trump didn't order them ... who did? :eek:
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:33 am

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Ifreann wrote:Severely underpaid.

You're assuming Trump actually pays him in the first place.


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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:37 am

Let's hope the election happens and happens fairly, because this does look a bit like Nazi Germany to me. Kidnapping peaceful protesters is a sign that democracy is being dismantled.
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Postby Nakena » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:42 am

It's standard tactic used by US counter-insurgency operations since quite a while.

Now that the US itself is facing a marxist insurgency at home, the tactics and techniques from aboard have arrived at home too...
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