Is Free Speech good?

[Southern Orbistan]

Did I say they were fundamentally opposed? No. My wording on the subject was meant to be a "in the case that this is an issue" sort of thing

I wasn't saying you said it, just that it's a stupid belief. I meant it as a defense of your position, actually.

Why thank you

[Prorescia]

I don't believe that restricting free speech in almost anyway is good. The only time I can see fit to arrest someone for what they say is if you are a police officer and what they said was a confession to a crime. Banning hate speech would be wrong, because even though saying hateful things is morally questionable, it shouldn't be against the law. You should be able to say whatever you want whenever you want without fear of being silenced by any corporation or Government. I see no problem with society as a whole or in general using peer pressure as a weapon to stop using hate speech though.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I don't believe that restricting free speech in almost anyway is good. The only time I can see fit to arrest someone for what they say is if you are a police officer and what they said was a confession to a crime. Banning hate speech would be wrong, because even though saying hateful things is morally questionable, it shouldn't be against the law. You should be able to say whatever you want whenever you want without fear of being silenced by any corporation or Government. I see no problem with society as a whole or in general using peer pressure as a weapon to stop using hate speech though.

What about incitement? Some hate speech could be considered incitement.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Calm down, this is real life, not 40k

His entire nation is inspired by 40k and similar media, since you can't seem to notice

I know, i'm pointing out what a joke he is to the rest of us.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Calm down, this is real life, not 40k

His entire nation is inspired by 40k and similar media, since you can't seem to notice

It seems like their OOC views are also influenced by that as well.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

In general, Free Speech is a necessary right for a free society. With that being said, like most other rights, there is a degree of responsibility among the society to keep those rights in tact and not allowing for its abuse.

There are two main powers within a civilization (3 if you count whatever aristocrats there are within that civilization): the government and the society. Both of these powers have the capacity to do the same things. In most civilizations, unless the government is an authoritarian dictatorship, the society holds many powers over the government. This is especially true for democratic nations. Freedom of speech, although it grants more power to society, can be abused by those who wish to subvert society, changing it to something that, ironically, would be against Free Speech in the first place. And since society has more power than the government in democracies, all it takes is to change the society in order to change the government.

It is because of this that society has a big responsibility in regards to resisting those who abuse Free Speech. In many places, this responsibility manifests in social media platforms regulating their content constantly, society shaming or shouting down certain radical individuals, and political parties exiling political radicals. But even with these methods of honoring that responsibility, they still come under attack by suberters or innocents who have just been caught in the crossfire and demand compensation/retribution.

In America, the common claim thrown is that social media platforms are "censoring conservative voices". Not to say that all of those who believe this claim are subverters attempting to radicalize society, but the claim does serve to their own ends. The claim has gained so much popularity that the government has attempted to restrict social media's ability to regulate their content.

[Cekoviu]

no such thing as collective rights

I question if Cekoviu is even being serious at this point.

what makes you think i'm not being serious

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I like having the free speech to tell people to fuck off. I never want that right taken away, since the people who need to piss off most are the government in general.

[West Leas Oros 2]

I like having the free speech to tell people to fuck off. I never want that right taken away.

Of course, they have the freedom to not fuck off if they don't want to...

[The Reformed American Republic]

I question if Cekoviu is even being serious at this point.

what makes you think i'm not being serious

You're positions read more like a parody of someone with "SJW" beliefs rather than someone who actually have beliefs that could be described as such.

[Talatorrum]

Calm down, this is real life, not 40k

His entire nation is inspired by 40k and similar media, since you can't seem to notice

How am I inspired by 40k and who do I resemble?

[West Leas Oros 2]

His entire nation is inspired by 40k and similar media, since you can't seem to notice

How am I inspired by 40k and who do I resemble?

Perhaps it's your absurd levels of totalitarianism and fanaticism that are reminding us of an exaggerated caricature of totalitarianism and fanaticism?

[Talatorrum]

How am I inspired by 40k and who do I resemble?

Perhaps it's your absurd levels of totalitarianism and fanaticism that are reminding us of an exaggerated caricature of totalitarianism and fanaticism?

I wouldn't call myself absurd.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Perhaps it's your absurd levels of totalitarianism and fanaticism that are reminding us of an exaggerated caricature of totalitarianism and fanaticism?

I wouldn't call myself absurd.

He called your positions absurd if they're your OOC positions.

[Cekoviu]

what makes you think i'm not being serious

You're positions read more like a parody of someone with "SJW" beliefs rather than someone who actually have beliefs that could be described as such.

if you think my positions could be a parody of """""'SJW"""""" beliefs, then either the parodies you're comparing me to are unbelievably awful or you have no real idea what my positions are.

[Sundiata]

Yes, especially being someone who enjoys the company of people who agree with me.

[The Twilight Embassy]

Freedom of Speech does not protect people from being ignored/blocked by individuals, banned from social media and other private spaces, blacklisted by businesses, or bullied/ex-communicated by friends/family/society at large. Literally nothing can protect people from the first, second, and fourth, and the only way to protect people from the third is through the enforcement of anti-discrimination hiring laws. The one thing the 1st amendment was actually written to protect is the one thing that it will never actually succeed in protecting.

You're positions read more like a parody of someone with "SJW" beliefs rather than someone who actually have beliefs that could be described as such.

if you think my positions could be a parody of """""'SJW"""""" beliefs, then either the parodies you're comparing me to are unbelievably awful or you have no real idea what my positions are.

You're a SWERF. You are literally the kind of puritanical "man-hating" moron that people think of when they think "SJW."

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

I say free speech is good, it allows people to say stupid and racist things, but it also allows other people to criticise those people for what they said.

[Jedi Council]

This shouldn't even be a debate.

If we want to discuss limits regarding Hate Speech, I think that it is pretty clear that anything that advocates violence, whether directly or through inuendo, towards a particular group.

[Nuroblav]

Perhaps it's your absurd levels of totalitarianism and fanaticism that are reminding us of an exaggerated caricature of totalitarianism and fanaticism?

It kinda reminds me of the Magasterium in His Dark Materials (indeed I have stooped down to the level of citing young adult books) - the moment you say something that contrasts to my opinions, then shit happens; if I say something you don't like, that's fine and I'm'a force it onto you. Reminds me of the people who complain about people speaking in a foreign language in their country, but if they abroad they always ask if anyone speaks their own.

[Cekoviu]

if you think my positions could be a parody of """""'SJW"""""" beliefs, then either the parodies you're comparing me to are unbelievably awful or you have no real idea what my positions are.

You're a SWERF. You are literally the kind of puritanical "man-hating" moron that people think of when they think "SJW."

lmao
while i am proudly a puritanical man-hating moron, it's pretty weird that you think SJWs like SWERFs. you probably get all your information on the topic from sargon, yeah?

[Donestk]

I believe Free Speech yes its a right but should be regulated on how much you can talk about due to all the racism, hate speech and all. I have never faced a situation where my free speech is no longer there due I am living in Democratic nation. Though I believe with all these bad things going on in the world, it should be regulated on how much you can talk freely.

[Des-Bal]

Yes. I think it's bad when governments try to limit it. I think it's bad when private entities try to limit it.

Cancelling is exactly as cool and good for free speech as Blacklisting was in the McCarthy era.

[Nuroblav]

I believe Free Speech yes its a right but should be regulated on how much you can talk about due to all the racism, hate speech and all. I have never faced a situation where my free speech is no longer there due I am living in Democratic nation. Though I believe with all these bad things going on in the world, it should be regulated on how much you can talk freely.

Out of interest, at what point would you draw the line between what should and shouldn't be legal in terms of speech? My worry is that the government could just use it to make anything illegal - hate speech is something that should come down to the individual level in terms of what offends them, rather than an authority dictating it to the people.

[Donestk]

I believe Free Speech yes its a right but should be regulated on how much you can talk about due to all the racism, hate speech and all. I have never faced a situation where my free speech is no longer there due I am living in Democratic nation. Though I believe with all these bad things going on in the world, it should be regulated on how much you can talk freely.

Out of interest, at what point would you draw the line between what should and shouldn't be legal in terms of speech? My worry is that the government could just use it to make anything illegal - hate speech is something that should come down to the individual level in terms of what offends them, rather than an authority dictating it to the people.

You just saying its up to the person to decide if it offends them but it doesn't resolve the issue, whatever you say the other person can react. Most times positively or negatively,. Look at the US for example, no offence or anything. Lots of freedom, yes nice for citizens but also bad stuff happens there cause people think "oh I have the freedom to do this and this", and often bad stuff happens too. Look at China, well we dont hear much whats going on in there but still its regulated and from what I see there's nothing wrong over there. Maybe in Hong Kong with those Democrats wanting freedom. Its not about whether the person feels that oh he can say it to me, I wont get hurt. No that person will feel hurt later, cause of hate speech. If you have nothing good to say keep your mouth shut, and you see how that turns out.