Is Free Speech good?

[Kowani]

Congratulations on believing that, that's not pointing out a logical flaw but rather a differing opinion on your part.

The logical flaw in this case would be supporting something you disagree with based on the means it's achieved. To believe the death penalty is an awful thing but to assert lynching is a-okay speaks to an error happening somewhere.

…Not really. If I want less rapes, for example, dropping an asteroid on the Earth would technically do that, but it’s not a good solution.

[Donestk]

There is no such thing of "evil" ideologies its just views and thoughts of the people who follow them, but when they do stuff like sending people to gulag example, then people can call *them* evil not the ideology,

[Necroghastia]

There is no such thing of "evil" ideologies its just views and thoughts of the people who follow them, but when they do stuff like sending people to gulag example, then people can call *them* evil not the ideology,

That sounds like splitting hairs to me.

[Donestk]

There is no such thing of "evil" ideologies its just views and thoughts of the people who follow them, but when they do stuff like sending people to gulag example, then people can call *them* evil not the ideology,

That sounds like splitting hairs to me.

Its about the government, what they do so people can view or judge them as evil or good, not the ideology as a whole to be judged only the government what they do to their people could be judged.

[Accelerated Neo-China]

Its about the government, what they do so people can view or judge them as evil or good, not the ideology as a whole to be judged only the government what they do to their people could be judged.

Any experience of constructing a system which tries to imply certain ideology in real world is the part of ideology. Ideology is not only about some ideas. It is also about the history of certain ideology. If we have some ideologies that remain unchanged after terrible experiences in the past then there is a chance to just making the same terrible mistakes again. So it's hard to say it's all just about certain governments and certain people. It's way more complicated as I see it.

[Des-Bal]

…Not really. If I want less rapes, for example, dropping an asteroid on the Earth would technically do that, but it’s not a good solution.

Blowing up the earth with nukes would also be a solution, if you'd advocate it I'd be confused as to what your problem with the asteroid was.

Saying "well it's not an asteroid doing it," would not alleviate that confusion.

[Ors Might]

I don’t really have any moral opposition to heckling but it does seem in poor taste to deny people who want to listen to what a person has to say the chance to do so. During the Q&A, that’s a bit different, but preventing someone from listening to another person when they aren’t advocating violence? Kinda rude.

[Des-Bal]

I don’t really have any moral opposition to heckling but it does seem in poor taste to deny people who want to listen to what a person has to say the chance to do so. During the Q&A, that’s a bit different, but preventing someone from listening to another person when they aren’t advocating violence? Kinda rude.

I don't object to mere heckling, I used to love yelling back at the religious dickheads with megaphones on campus. If my heckling encouraged others to heckle and it reached the pitch where the guy couldn't talk I wouldn't view that as immoral. If I decided that I wanted to prevent this guy from talking and consciously attempted to prevent people from hearing him or consciously attempted to prevent him from speaking, that's where the moral issue arises to me.

[Vegaslovakia]

Nope

[Ors Might]

I don’t really have any moral opposition to heckling but it does seem in poor taste to deny people who want to listen to what a person has to say the chance to do so. During the Q&A, that’s a bit different, but preventing someone from listening to another person when they aren’t advocating violence? Kinda rude.

I don't object to mere heckling, I used to love yelling back at the religious dickheads with megaphones on campus. If my heckling encouraged others to heckle and it reached the pitch where the guy couldn't talk I wouldn't view that as immoral. If I decided that I wanted to prevent this guy from talking and consciously attempted to prevent people from hearing him or consciously attempted to prevent him from speaking, that's where the moral issue arises to me.

If someone begins advocating violence, then I feel like I begin to have a moral responsibility to shout them down. Otherwise, I’d save my bants for the appropriate time.

[FutureAmerica]

Freedom of Speech is critical for an open, free and democratic society. Who gets to decide which speech should be banned?

[Saciu]

Every minute the government spends policing someone's speech is a minute they could be doing something much more productive. Instead of arresting someone for saying a slur or being a bigot, the police could be solving an actual crime. Or, instead of spending money in order to tackle hate speech, money could be spent to reduce poverty. Or to better education.

[Cekoviu]

Every minute the government spends policing someone's speech is a minute they could be doing something much more productive. Instead of arresting someone for saying a slur or being a bigot, the police could be solving an actual crime. Or, instead of spending money in order to tackle hate speech, money could be spent to reduce poverty. Or to better education.

there are 16 million unemployed americans rn, we have plenty of people who could potentially be hired as a thought policewoman/man and the money saved by no longer needing to give them unemployment benefits can go to the speech police budget. if anything, it's wasteful to not police speech.

[Saciu]

Every minute the government spends policing someone's speech is a minute they could be doing something much more productive. Instead of arresting someone for saying a slur or being a bigot, the police could be solving an actual crime. Or, instead of spending money in order to tackle hate speech, money could be spent to reduce poverty. Or to better education.

there are 16 million unemployed americans rn, we have plenty of people who could potentially be hired as a thought policewoman/man and the money saved by no longer needing to give them unemployment benefits can go to the speech police budget. if anything, it's wasteful to not police speech.

I'm assuming that's sarcasm, but if it's not, there a better jobs that can be made for employment's sake.

[Grinning Dragon]

Every minute the government spends policing someone's speech is a minute they could be doing something much more productive. Instead of arresting someone for saying a slur or being a bigot, the police could be solving an actual crime. Or, instead of spending money in order to tackle hate speech, money could be spent to reduce poverty. Or to better education.

there are 16 million unemployed americans rn, we have plenty of people who could potentially be hired as a thought policewoman/man and the money saved by no longer needing to give them unemployment benefits can go to the speech police budget. if anything, it's wasteful to not police speech.

We already have that so called "thought police", it's called shitbricks on twatter/reddit/instagram.

[Nuroblav]

I'm assuming that's sarcasm, but if it's not, there a better jobs that can be made for employment's sake.

Given their views, I highly doubt it is sarcasm. But yeah, there's a lot better to be done.

[Greed and Death]

there are 16 million unemployed americans rn, we have plenty of people who could potentially be hired as a thought policewoman/man and the money saved by no longer needing to give them unemployment benefits can go to the speech police budget. if anything, it's wasteful to not police speech.

We already have that so called "thought police", it's called shitbricks on twatter/reddit/instagram.

Finally my twitter record gets me a job.

[Cekoviu]

there are 16 million unemployed americans rn, we have plenty of people who could potentially be hired as a thought policewoman/man and the money saved by no longer needing to give them unemployment benefits can go to the speech police budget. if anything, it's wasteful to not police speech.

I'm assuming that's sarcasm, but if it's not, there a better jobs that can be made for employment's sake.

i think restricting speech counter to society is quite valuable - what better jobs are you thinking of?

there are 16 million unemployed americans rn, we have plenty of people who could potentially be hired as a thought policewoman/man and the money saved by no longer needing to give them unemployment benefits can go to the speech police budget. if anything, it's wasteful to not police speech.

We already have that so called "thought police", it's called shitbricks on twatter/reddit/instagram.

i bet you thought this was a really clever post when you made it

[Saciu]

I'm assuming that's sarcasm, but if it's not, there a better jobs that can be made for employment's sake.

i think restricting speech counter to society is quite valuable - what better jobs are you thinking of?

Many more productive, useful and valuable occupations come to mind, such as professional thimble maker, professional boot licker, and professional emoticon philosopher.

[Sanghyeok]

Free speech must be limited to save free speech. Given too much freedom to expression of hateful or dangerous opinions is never good.

[Grinning Dragon]

I'm assuming that's sarcasm, but if it's not, there a better jobs that can be made for employment's sake.

i think restricting speech counter to society is quite valuable - what better jobs are you thinking of?

We already have that so called "thought police", it's called shitbricks on twatter/reddit/instagram.

i bet you thought this was a really clever post when you made it

It was clever and I've already gave myself a gold star.
Fuck thought police.

[-Ra-]

Free speech is good and should be protected.

The trouble with free speech is that, if you believe in free speech, you have to allow people who have absolutely awful ideas to say what they want to say. As a believer in free speech, I have to let fascists and communists spew their nonsense. That doesn't mean that people have to listen to their drivel, and those with ideas as reprehensible as fascism and communism deserve to be ostracised. Society has to grow to accept that we have to deal with these people, so we have to be smart about it. People with fringe ideas have to stay on the fringes.

[Cekoviu]

i think restricting speech counter to society is quite valuable - what better jobs are you thinking of?

Many more productive, useful and valuable occupations come to mind, such as professional thimble maker, professional boot licker, and professional emoticon philosopher.

har de har har
glad we've established that you don't have a real argument and therefore my views are correct :^)

[VlaRiSsiA]

Free speech is good

[Cekoviu]

Fuck thought police.