Is Free Speech good?

[Donestk]

Ngl, anyone repressing free speech? Kinda unsexy and pretty cringe.

In all seriousness, in order for any society to function, there does have to be some limit on certain freedoms. As for free speech, calls to violence, harassment, and things like fraud are a pretty good line imo.

Exactly, I agree with you.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

Can harass or threaten me but that means I can do the same. That’s how it works, no one else is gonna help you out apart from yourself. Say what you really think

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Ngl, anyone repressing free speech? Kinda unsexy and pretty cringe.

In all seriousness, in order for any society to function, there does have to be some limit on certain freedoms. As for free speech, calls to violence, harassment, and things like fraud are a pretty good line imo.

I'd put the line somewhere between "reasonable to expect direct harm"
And "deliberately intended to cause harm". Depending upon circumstances.

[Donestk]

Can harass or threaten me but that means I can do the same. That’s how it works, no one else is gonna help you out apart from yourself. Say what you really think

Sveiki, I presume you are from Latvia as I am too.
this is my second nation my main one is
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=grizinkalns

[Liriena]

Thinking about how much easier it would be to deal with the idiocy of the worst "freeze peach" absolutism if I were unironically a tankie. Just straight up declaring "actually yes, free speech is bad and you deserve to be surveilled and censored by an omnipresent police state".

Easy, but bad.

[Loben III]

Free speech is inherently good.

using it to make authoritarians mad is a double good.

[Donestk]

Free speech is inherently good.

using it to make authoritarians mad is a double good.

Yes, we know but what bad stuff comes from it well its abused free speech then.

[Loben III]

Free speech is inherently good.

using it to make authoritarians mad is a double good.

Yes, we know but what bad stuff comes from it well its abused free speech then.

>Abused free speech

such as?

[Nootka Coast]

answering the thread question

yes

[Arvenia]

This is a tricky one. I support free speech, but I got issues with people getting triggered over it.

[Donestk]

Yes, we know but what bad stuff comes from it well its abused free speech then.

>Abused free speech

such as?

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

[Loben III]

>Abused free speech

such as?

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

oh nooooo

[Ordysius]

>Abused free speech

such as?

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

That's just the consequences of free speech, and I'm actually fine with those because the other option is letting the government decide what is and isn't hate speech, etc. Unless of course you're talking about slander and libel, which are legitimate restrictions that aren't subject to the whims of government.

[Atheris]

>Abused free speech

such as?

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

This is exactly why we need free speech. Free speech is important to let these arguments start so hateful ideologies get shut down. See: Jojo Rabbit.

[Nuroblav]

Depends on the ideology I follow in a party then if was Democratic then I could propose to enforce it but if I was basically like China 1 party and leader of entire nation then enforce without a doubt.

I see. What I meant was at would point would speech become illegal in terms of severity, but I see you've agreed with Ors Might's post. I'd say that's a reasonable line, so long as stuff such as context and severity is taken into mind. Oh and if the community agree to it - but that's just my standpoint

[Donestk]

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

This is exactly why we need free speech. Free speech is important to let these arguments start so hateful ideologies get shut down. See: Jojo Rabbit.

And what would those "hateful ideologies" be?

[Atheris]

This is exactly why we need free speech. Free speech is important to let these arguments start so hateful ideologies get shut down. See: Jojo Rabbit.

And what would those "hateful ideologies" be?

Far-right nationalism and far-left internationalism.

[Cordel One]

And what would those "hateful ideologies" be?

Far-right nationalism and far-left internationalism.

Hey!

[Atheris]

Far-right nationalism and far-left internationalism.

Hey!

Oh, come on. Don't act like you didn't expect me to say it

[Nilrahrarfan]

>Abused free speech

such as?

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

All of which should exist. Seriously, censoring THOSE things just leads to the government thinking they can get away with MORE censorship. SOPA wouldn't have been stopped if America banned Hate Speech.

[Dresderstan]

>Abused free speech

such as?

Hate speech, racism, verbal abuse, deliberately hurting one feelings etc.

Which you can't end no matter how much you try.

[Ankras]

Ideological absolutism is the death of pragmatism. Freedom of speech is important demand for the success of a democratic society. However I will not sit here and pretend the KKK has some nonsensical unalienable right to exist and organize.

I believe in the right to speech and assembly. I am not, however, a free speech absolutist. No one serious about building a new society or maintaining the existing one is.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Ideological absolutism is the death of pragmatism. Freedom of speech is important demand for the success of a democratic society. However I will not sit here and pretend the KKK has some nonsensical unalienable right to exist and organize.

I believe in the right to speech and assembly. I am not, however, a free speech absolutist. No one serious about building a new society or maintaining the existing one is.

No matter how you dress up your crying about it.
They do have the right to exist. And have access to the same freedom of speech as the rest of us.

[Ankras]

Ideological absolutism is the death of pragmatism. Freedom of speech is important demand for the success of a democratic society. However I will not sit here and pretend the KKK has some nonsensical unalienable right to exist and organize.

I believe in the right to speech and assembly. I am not, however, a free speech absolutist. No one serious about building a new society or maintaining the existing one is.

No matter how you dress up your crying about it.
They do have the right to exist. And have access to the same freedom of speech as the rest of us.

You ain't convincing me by stating the opposite of what I said. Those people were terrorists in every community they had a stranglehold in at their height and still are. They should be pushed out of neighborhoods. I fully support what Grant did to them.

[Ordysius]

No matter how you dress up your crying about it.
They do have the right to exist. And have access to the same freedom of speech as the rest of us.

You ain't convincing me by stating the opposite of what I said. Those people were terrorists in every community they had a stranglehold in at their height and still are. They should be pushed out of neighborhoods. I fully support what Grant did to them.

Are you equating free speech to violence? Sounds like a familiar tactic...