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Is Free Speech good?

Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:16 am

With the constant changing of culture and ideas and the ever changing "New Words", is freedom of speech good? And is it necessary for a free people?


I wanted to make this a Poll, but have not the experience to do so, I would say from my point of view; Without free speech there can no exchange of ideas, no comprehensive talks on solutions. I know words make peoples emotions go hay wire, but aren't we as a people strong enough to ignore bombastic, offensive language? Furthermore what is to be gained by limiting words?

Is the end result of a selective word pool, and subject pool good for the growth of man? I do not think so, and who chooses the words?

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:17 am

Silence is violence but so is hate speech defined as I see fit.
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Postby Nuroblav » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:18 am

Yes


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Postby -Astoria- » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:18 am

Within reason, of course; you can't exactly achieve absolute peach.
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Postby Dollystana » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am

Well given that every government oppresses free speech in some way...

I would say yes (to a point, like we don't want swear words in school)
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Postby Slaughter None » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am

Why is this even in debate? The fundamental and natural right to freely express yourself is necessary and we have and will continue to fight for this most basic right.
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Silence is violence but so is hate speech defined as I see fit.



What is Hate speech to you? And is that the same Hate Speech to someone else?


The Supreme Court has ruled there is no such thing as hate Speech as the mere nature of that would be in direct conflict with our First Amendment.
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 am

Yeah
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:20 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Silence is violence but so is hate speech defined as I see fit.



What is Hate speech to you? And is that the same Hate Speech to someone else?


The Supreme Court has ruled there is no such thing as hate Speech as the mere nature of that would be in direct conflict with our First Amendment.


Hate speech is anything that I personally disagree with or get offended by, and I wish to impose this on other people.
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Postby Nuroblav » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:21 am

Dollystana wrote:Well given that every government oppresses free speech in some way...

I would say yes (to a point, like we don't want swear words in school)

Depends which school in my opinion. Even so, I wouldn't put it down as a legal matter - more just for individual schools to decide.
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:21 am

-Astoria- wrote:Within reason, of course; you can't exactly achieve absolute peach.


Having policy that kids in school not use profanity is one thing, I am talking outside in public Free speech! If I want to swear i shall. Are you suggesting a premise in which I would be jailed, fined for swearing?
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:23 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:

What is Hate speech to you? And is that the same Hate Speech to someone else?


The Supreme Court has ruled there is no such thing as hate Speech as the mere nature of that would be in direct conflict with our First Amendment.


Hate speech is anything that I personally disagree with or get offended by, and I wish to impose this on other people.


Well, as such do you feel the Government should make laws to suit the minority of people who which like yourself are and I say this respectfully..... Intellectually Immature?
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:24 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Hate speech is anything that I personally disagree with or get offended by, and I wish to impose this on other people.


Well, as such do you feel the Government should make laws to suit the minority of people who which like yourself are and I say this respectfully..... Intellectually Immature?


No, it's just unabashed authoritarianism.
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:25 am

-Astoria- wrote:Within reason, of course; you can't exactly achieve absolute peach.


Do explain? I am Cuban, if someone was spouting off about Cubans, I would ignore them and be on my way! I wouldn't get all upset and uppity and expect legislation to be passed!
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:26 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Within reason, of course; you can't exactly achieve absolute peach.


Having policy that kids in school not use profanity is one thing, I am talking outside in public Free speech! If I want to swear i shall. Are you suggesting a premise in which I would be jailed, fined for swearing?

Free speech is a legal policy.

Non-legal institutions can impose whatever restrictions they want, its still free speech.

Free speech only gets violated when people start getting legal penalties for their opinions.
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:27 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Within reason, of course; you can't exactly achieve absolute peach.


Do explain? I am Cuban, if someone was spouting off about Cubans, I would ignore them and be on my way! I wouldn't get all upset and uppity and expect legislation to be passed!

Oh, Florida hispanic?
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Postby Dangine » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:28 am

For the most part. I've always been a bit confused if the term Free Speech involves all speech is or most of it is. I'm fine with most speech but criminal harassment can involve speech and that is not ok.
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:29 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:
Having policy that kids in school not use profanity is one thing, I am talking outside in public Free speech! If I want to swear i shall. Are you suggesting a premise in which I would be jailed, fined for swearing?

Free speech is a legal policy.

Non-legal institutions can impose whatever restrictions they want, its still free speech.

Free speech only gets violated when people start getting legal penalties for their opinions.


I agree, but would only add Free Speech is not a legal Policy. It is a Founding Principle an Inalienable right as a Citizen of the United States!
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Postby Tolopel » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:30 am

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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:30 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:
Do explain? I am Cuban, if someone was spouting off about Cubans, I would ignore them and be on my way! I wouldn't get all upset and uppity and expect legislation to be passed!

Oh, Florida hispanic?
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Postby Dollystana » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:31 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Epluribus Unum wrote:
Having policy that kids in school not use profanity is one thing, I am talking outside in public Free speech! If I want to swear i shall. Are you suggesting a premise in which I would be jailed, fined for swearing?

Free speech is a legal policy.

Non-legal institutions can impose whatever restrictions they want, its still free speech.

Free speech only gets violated when people start getting legal penalties for their opinions.

In the US the words "I'm going to kill the president" are illegal btw.
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Postby Epluribus Unum » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:32 am

Dangine wrote:For the most part. I've always been a bit confused if the term Free Speech involves all speech is or most of it is. I'm fine with most speech but criminal harassment can involve speech and that is not ok.


What do you mean? Criminal Harassment in the terms of threatening is already against the law. We have Laws that cover everything already, All Speech needs be free, like it or not! People have the right to hate, be angry, or sad they way they see fit!
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:33 am

Dollystana wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Free speech is a legal policy.

Non-legal institutions can impose whatever restrictions they want, its still free speech.

Free speech only gets violated when people start getting legal penalties for their opinions.

In the US the words "I'm going to kill the president" are illegal btw.

I mean it depends on context.

I guess it does have limits, such as death threats and direct verbal harrasment.
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:33 am

Epluribus Unum wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Oh, Florida hispanic?
I lived in Florida decades ago, New England now !

Ah.

Sorry, its just when I think of American Cubans, I generally think of Florida.
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