Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[Albrenia]

I heard Fauci finally lost his cool with Trump.

Well Donald's own man is on Russia Today of all fucking places arguing for doing nothing so.

Atlas should have his license revoked for his support of the 'herd immunity' doctrine. Dr, Fauci deserves a medal for putting up with Trump's bullshit for so long.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well Donald's own man is on Russia Today of all fucking places arguing for doing nothing so.

Atlas should have his license revoked for his support of the 'herd immunity' doctrine. Dr, Fauci deserves a medal for putting up with Trump's bullshit for so long.

Scott Atlas is the sort of man who should've been quietly kept in irrelevancy writing papers extolling the greatness of the American profiteering system. Instead he's now the Trump propagandist wrt. COVID19.

[Esalia]

Well Donald's own man is on Russia Today of all fucking places arguing for doing nothing so.

Atlas should have his license revoked for his support of the 'herd immunity' doctrine. Dr, Fauci deserves a medal for putting up with Trump's bullshit for so long.

Honestly, I think everyone in a position of power who unironically advocated the "herd immunity by letting COVID run rampant" strategy should've lost their position. Ideally, they should've also been prevented from ever getting a position of power ever again.

Fired, forced to resign, impeached, whatever. But if someone who should be leading your country and its response to this pandemic is thinking "you know, letting thousands upon thousands upon thousands of needless deaths occur is actually a pretty good idea", they are not fit to lead.

[The Lone Alliance]

I don't know. I mean, look at how extreme China was. They were literally sealing people in their homes for 70 days or something shutting down entire cities this way ensuring zero movement. That sort of thing might just be enough.
Frankly I wish our governments would just do something like that. Close all border crossings until the plague is done, no exceptions. And than do a total lockdown for a month or two with no leaving your home unless you work with an essential service. And in the meantime mobilize the military to clean the streets and deliver supplies.

So you want governments to simply become Authoritarian because it'll make you feel safe from the virus?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Or worse, even with people following all the rules the bare minimum that people needed to do to survive was all the virus needed to linger. The virus didn't need to spread, all it needed to do was linger.

Even in places that followed the rules COVID lingered, not even China was 100% there, they can say what they want.

I don't know. I mean, look at how extreme China was. They were literally sealing people in their homes for 70 days or something shutting down entire cities this way ensuring zero movement. That sort of thing might just be enough.
Frankly I wish our governments would just do something like that. Close all border crossings until the plague is done, no exceptions. And than do a total lockdown for a month or two with no leaving your home unless you work with an essential service. And in the meantime mobilize the military to clean the streets and deliver supplies.

I want more done about the virus but not like that.

[San Lumen]

Or worse, even with people following all the rules the bare minimum that people needed to do to survive was all the virus needed to linger. The virus didn't need to spread, all it needed to do was linger.

Even in places that followed the rules COVID lingered, not even China was 100% there, they can say what they want.

I don't know. I mean, look at how extreme China was. They were literally sealing people in their homes for 70 days or something shutting down entire cities this way ensuring zero movement. That sort of thing might just be enough.
Frankly I wish our governments would just do something like that. Close all border crossings until the plague is done, no exceptions. And than do a total lockdown for a month or two with no leaving your home unless you work with an essential service. And in the meantime mobilize the military to clean the streets and deliver supplies.

No. That’s not the answer. You can do that in a dictatorship. Good luck doing something like in a democracy. A pandemic doesn’t mean you sign away all rights.

[Post War America]

I don't know. I mean, look at how extreme China was. They were literally sealing people in their homes for 70 days or something shutting down entire cities this way ensuring zero movement. That sort of thing might just be enough.
Frankly I wish our governments would just do something like that. Close all border crossings until the plague is done, no exceptions. And than do a total lockdown for a month or two with no leaving your home unless you work with an essential service. And in the meantime mobilize the military to clean the streets and deliver supplies.

No. That’s not the answer. You can do that in a dictatorship. Good luck doing something like in a democracy. A pandemic doesn’t mean you sign away all rights.

One will notice that China is mostly back to normal right now, and the west is getting utterly shellacked by the second wave.

[San Lumen]

No. That’s not the answer. You can do that in a dictatorship. Good luck doing something like in a democracy. A pandemic doesn’t mean you sign away all rights.

One will notice that China is mostly back to normal right now, and the west is getting utterly shellacked by the second wave.

and you think people would stand for something like that in the West? Why haven't they done what China did?

[Post War America]

One will notice that China is mostly back to normal right now, and the west is getting utterly shellacked by the second wave.

and you think people would stand for something like that in the West? Why haven't they done what China did?

Because Western governments aren't particularly using the military as a law enforcement agency. I'm not keen on the Chinese model to be sure, but the fact of the matter is that their control mechanisms turned out more effective than ours this time.

[San Lumen]

and you think people would stand for something like that in the West? Why haven't they done what China did?

Because Western governments aren't particularly using the military as a law enforcement agency. I'm not keen on the Chinese model to be sure, but the fact of the matter is that their control mechanisms turned out more effective than ours this time.

Many cannot use the military like that.

[Post War America]

Because Western governments aren't particularly using the military as a law enforcement agency. I'm not keen on the Chinese model to be sure, but the fact of the matter is that their control mechanisms turned out more effective than ours this time.

Many cannot use the military like that.

Indeed, but that does not invalidate the utility of the Chinese method. Quite frankly I would have loved it if we spent two months in a hard lockdown and been done with this in May than the situation we have now.

[San Lumen]

Many cannot use the military like that.

Indeed, but that does not invalidate the utility of the Chinese method. Quite frankly I would have loved it if we spent two months in a hard lockdown and been done with this in May than the situation we have now.

I dont think many would have stood for such measures but that's just my opinion.

[Albrenia]

Indeed, but that does not invalidate the utility of the Chinese method. Quite frankly I would have loved it if we spent two months in a hard lockdown and been done with this in May than the situation we have now.

I dont think many would have stood for such measures but that's just my opinion.

You're not wrong. Although if people had stood for massive lockdowns (none of this shooting people or welding them into houses business though) and actually complied with them, the pandemic would have been all but gone and we'd all be forgetting about the minor hiccup early in the year.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

No. That’s not the answer. You can do that in a dictatorship. Good luck doing something like in a democracy. A pandemic doesn’t mean you sign away all rights.

One will notice that China is mostly back to normal right now, and the west is getting utterly shellacked by the second wave.

Correction: China is allegedly back to normal. I believe the Chinese as much as I believe in the tooth fairy.

[Post War America]

One will notice that China is mostly back to normal right now, and the west is getting utterly shellacked by the second wave.

Correction: China is allegedly back to normal. I believe the Chinese as much as I believe in the tooth fairy.

I mean, I'd be skeptical too, but I know for a fact the city I taught in at least is back to normal, and even if you assume the Chinese are only talking about a tenth of the cases and deaths that they actually have they'd still be doing better than the US, even if those numbers were fifty times higher they'd still be doing better.

Indeed, but that does not invalidate the utility of the Chinese method. Quite frankly I would have loved it if we spent two months in a hard lockdown and been done with this in May than the situation we have now.

I dont think many would have stood for such measures but that's just my opinion.

Sure but that's more an indictment of the lack of civic virtue among westerners than it is a show of weakness for the tactics of China.

[San Lumen]

Correction: China is allegedly back to normal. I believe the Chinese as much as I believe in the tooth fairy.

I mean, I'd be skeptical too, but I know for a fact the city I taught in at least is back to normal, and even if you assume the Chinese are only talking about a tenth of the cases and deaths that they actually have they'd still be doing better than the US, even if those numbers were fifty times higher they'd still be doing better.

I dont think many would have stood for such measures but that's just my opinion.

Sure but that's more an indictment of the lack of civic virtue among westerners than it is a show of weakness for the tactics of China.

lack a civic virtue? irs real easy to take such measures when your a dictatorship and the government says jump and your reply is how high. On and off lockdowns are sustainable for awhile. Eventually people will get tired of them.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Correction: China is allegedly back to normal. I believe the Chinese as much as I believe in the tooth fairy.

I mean, I'd be skeptical too, but I know for a fact the city I taught in at least is back to normal, and even if you assume the Chinese are only talking about a tenth of the cases and deaths that they actually have they'd still be doing better than the US, even if those numbers were fifty times higher they'd still be doing better.

To be fair most people are doing better than us. The correlation between "do things like China" and "stopping covid" is weak when you consider how democratic nations like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand and Australia were able to beat covid.

[Post War America]

I mean, I'd be skeptical too, but I know for a fact the city I taught in at least is back to normal, and even if you assume the Chinese are only talking about a tenth of the cases and deaths that they actually have they'd still be doing better than the US, even if those numbers were fifty times higher they'd still be doing better.



Sure but that's more an indictment of the lack of civic virtue among westerners than it is a show of weakness for the tactics of China.

lack a civic virtue? irs real easy to take such measures when your a dictatorship and the government says jump and your reply is how high. On and off lockdowns are sustainable for awhile. Eventually people will get tired of them.

People in the US couldn't go a month of a much softer lockdown without protesting them, not only that there is a large contingent of people throughout the west that have actively refused to do even the simplest and least odious of social distancing measures. What on Earth would you call that?

I mean, I'd be skeptical too, but I know for a fact the city I taught in at least is back to normal, and even if you assume the Chinese are only talking about a tenth of the cases and deaths that they actually have they'd still be doing better than the US, even if those numbers were fifty times higher they'd still be doing better.

To be fair most people are doing better than us. The correlation between "do things like China" and "stopping covid" is weak when you consider how democratic nations like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand and Australia were able to beat covid.

You will note that, with the exception of South Korea, all of those countries are islands. Much easier to shut down borders when you're an island nation. Yes, it is feasible without necessarily imposing martial law, however, it does require easily shut borders, or a population willing to comply with public safety measures, or preferably both.

[San Lumen]

lack a civic virtue? irs real easy to take such measures when your a dictatorship and the government says jump and your reply is how high. On and off lockdowns are sustainable for awhile. Eventually people will get tired of them.

People in the US couldn't go a month of a much softer lockdown without protesting them, not only that there is a large contingent of people throughout the west that have actively refused to do even the simplest and least odious of social distancing measures. What on Earth would you call that?

To be fair most people are doing better than us. The correlation between "do things like China" and "stopping covid" is weak when you consider how democratic nations like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand and Australia were able to beat covid.

You will note that, with the exception of South Korea, all of those countries are islands. Much easier to shut down borders when you're an island nation. Yes, it is feasible without necessarily imposing martial law, however, it does require easily shut borders, or a population willing to comply with public safety measures, or preferably both.

In a dictatorship you can get away with a lot more.

Tell me what would you do if you were in charge?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

lack a civic virtue? irs real easy to take such measures when your a dictatorship and the government says jump and your reply is how high. On and off lockdowns are sustainable for awhile. Eventually people will get tired of them.

People in the US couldn't go a month of a much softer lockdown without protesting them, not only that there is a large contingent of people throughout the west that have actively refused to do even the simplest and least odious of social distancing measures. What on Earth would you call that?

To be fair most people are doing better than us. The correlation between "do things like China" and "stopping covid" is weak when you consider how democratic nations like Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, New Zealand and Australia were able to beat covid.

You will note that, with the exception of South Korea, all of those countries are islands. Much easier to shut down borders when you're an island nation. Yes, it is feasible without necessarily imposing martial law, however, it does require easily shut borders, or a population willing to comply with public safety measures, or preferably both.

So basically to beat covid, don't be America.

[Post War America]

People in the US couldn't go a month of a much softer lockdown without protesting them, not only that there is a large contingent of people throughout the west that have actively refused to do even the simplest and least odious of social distancing measures. What on Earth would you call that?



You will note that, with the exception of South Korea, all of those countries are islands. Much easier to shut down borders when you're an island nation. Yes, it is feasible without necessarily imposing martial law, however, it does require easily shut borders, or a population willing to comply with public safety measures, or preferably both.

In a dictatorship you can get away with a lot more.

Tell me what would you do if you were in charge?

What can be done in a dictatorship is irrelevant to the fact that people are so unconcerned with the wellbeing of their community that they can't even bother to wear a fucking mask during a pandemic.

What I would do has no simple answer. What's the situation on the ground? How far has the virus spread globally, in the country? How likely are people to voluntarily comply with public health measures? Its not an easy question.

[San Lumen]

In a dictatorship you can get away with a lot more.

Tell me what would you do if you were in charge?

What can be done in a dictatorship is irrelevant to the fact that people are so unconcerned with the wellbeing of their community that they can't even bother to wear a fucking mask during a pandemic.

What I would do has no simple answer. What's the situation on the ground? How far has the virus spread globally, in the country? How likely are people to voluntarily comply with public health measures? Its not an easy question.

Well say you were in charge what would you do?

[Post War America]

What can be done in a dictatorship is irrelevant to the fact that people are so unconcerned with the wellbeing of their community that they can't even bother to wear a fucking mask during a pandemic.

What I would do has no simple answer. What's the situation on the ground? How far has the virus spread globally, in the country? How likely are people to voluntarily comply with public health measures? Its not an easy question.

Well say you were in charge what would you do?

In charge of what, and when, and who? I can't engage with your ridiculous hypothetical situation with nothing, not that you actually are concerned about it.

[San Lumen]

Well say you were in charge what would you do?

In charge of what, and when, and who? I can't engage with your ridiculous hypothetical situation with nothing, not that you actually are concerned about it.

Lets say you were president or prime minister of a European country or governor of US state. Im excluding the US president because they dont have the authority to shut down the country.

[Post War America]

In charge of what, and when, and who? I can't engage with your ridiculous hypothetical situation with nothing, not that you actually are concerned about it.

Lets say you were president or prime minister of a European country or governor of US state. Im excluding the US president because they dont have the authority to shut down the country.

What's the situation on the ground like? How much authority do I actually have?