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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:59 am

Xmara wrote:
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Just because the virus hasn't been eradicated doesn't mean you need mandatory masks and social distancing.

Flu hasn't been eradicated. Have you had masks and social distancing ever since 1918? No. The fatality rate went down on its own due to natural immunity, and that was even before they invented flu shots.

Measles hasn't been eradicated despite the existence of a very effective vaccine. Do you need masks and social distancing to control that? No. You just need to use the vaccine.

After a while, some combination of natural immunity and vaccination will reduce the rate of COVID infections and deaths, even if the virus is not eradicated.

I’m really glad that we might soon not have to worry about masks and social distancing.

I don’t think I could live in a world with permanent mask and social distancing rules. I think that’s why my mental health hasn’t been so great in the past few months.

I’m in the same boat.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:37 am

For those who are well versed on this, I have a question regarding immunity and T-cell response stemming from this article: http://regpaper.com/index.php/2020/07/2 ... perts-say/

Regarding CoVID19, what’s more important: lingering antibodies (which there seems to be indication of these lessening after the infection clears) or having a robust T-cell response in the fight towards flattening the curve entirely? I’m a bit confused.
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Postby -SARS- » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:39 am

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My mental health is the worst it's been in years. Some days I don't even want to get out of bed. Even getting up to eat is like, "Do I really have to?"

I think I already caught the virus, but people still want to get up my ass about it if I don't take the same precautions they're taking.

You should still take precautions to protect other people, even if you think you already had covid-19.


It's unnecessary for people that already recovered to be as careful about masks and distancing. If I can't catch it myself, that also makes it much harder to infect other people.

Asymptomatic spreaders are still infected, even if symptoms haven't appeared.

And I'm not one of those people that thinks, "I had a headache one morning, so that was probably COVID." Pretty sure I got infected on Feb 29, symptoms started March 16 and lasted into early April. It is not some vague wishful thinking "I don't want to wear a mask, so I'll tell myself I already had an symptomatic case." I was actually sick, but it happened before the CDC released good guidelines and before testing ramped up. After I was already well past the worst of it, they came out with more detailed information about COVID symptoms and I was like, "Oh, crap, that actually does sound like what I have."
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Postby Xmara » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:51 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:For those who are well versed on this, I have a question regarding immunity and T-cell response stemming from this article: http://regpaper.com/index.php/2020/07/2 ... perts-say/

Regarding CoVID19, what’s more important: lingering antibodies (which there seems to be indication of these lessening after the infection clears) or having a robust T-cell response in the fight towards flattening the curve entirely? I’m a bit confused.

I'm not sure. I'll try to find information for you, but what I've found so far doesn't really answer your question. I'll let you know if I find something.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:15 pm

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Ifreann wrote:You should still take precautions to protect other people, even if you think you already had covid-19.


It's unnecessary for people that already recovered to be as careful about masks and distancing. If I can't catch it myself, that also makes it much harder to infect other people.

Asymptomatic spreaders are still infected, even if symptoms haven't appeared.

And I'm not one of those people that thinks, "I had a headache one morning, so that was probably COVID." Pretty sure I got infected on Feb 29, symptoms started March 16 and lasted into early April. It is not some vague wishful thinking "I don't want to wear a mask, so I'll tell myself I already had an symptomatic case." I was actually sick, but it happened before the CDC released good guidelines and before testing ramped up. After I was already well past the worst of it, they came out with more detailed information about COVID symptoms and I was like, "Oh, crap, that actually does sound like what I have."


It's irresponsible for those of us who have already been infected to not bother with masks and distancing.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:55 pm

Gormwood wrote:Welp, at least it's not disinfectant.

Trump admin $21M gambit for Pepcid as a COVID remedy fizzles


Ah, yes. I read that in China, some CoVID19 patients had improvements in their condition from using a certain medication for digestive problems at home. I don’t remember the name other than it started with an “f”. If I can find the article, I’ll edit it in here.

Edit: famotidine, which is what Pepcid is.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:56 pm

Xmara wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:For those who are well versed on this, I have a question regarding immunity and T-cell response stemming from this article: http://regpaper.com/index.php/2020/07/2 ... perts-say/

Regarding CoVID19, what’s more important: lingering antibodies (which there seems to be indication of these lessening after the infection clears) or having a robust T-cell response in the fight towards flattening the curve entirely? I’m a bit confused.

I'm not sure. I'll try to find information for you, but what I've found so far doesn't really answer your question. I'll let you know if I find something.


Thank you. I’ll keep checking too.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:13 pm

Xmara wrote:I’m really glad that we might soon not have to worry about masks and social distancing.

I don’t think I could live in a world with permanent mask and social distancing rules. I think that’s why my mental health hasn’t been so great in the past few months.


It's definitely not going to be permanent, I imagine long-term the main change will be more widespread use of masks when people are sick similar to Asia. Who knows, maybe these mask mandates themselves might end up just burning things out on their own...
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:21 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Xmara wrote:I’m really glad that we might soon not have to worry about masks and social distancing.

I don’t think I could live in a world with permanent mask and social distancing rules. I think that’s why my mental health hasn’t been so great in the past few months.


It's definitely not going to be permanent, I imagine long-term the main change will be more widespread use of masks when people are sick similar to Asia. Who knows, maybe these mask mandates themselves might end up just burning things out on their own...


I certainly hope its not permanent. Burning what out?
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:I certainly hope its not permanent. Burning what out?


SARS-CoV-2, and it might do a number on the flu as well. Hopefully this marks the point in history when we finally tell people who are sick to stay the hell home rather than show up for work.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:52 pm

Vetalia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I certainly hope its not permanent. Burning what out?


SARS-CoV-2, and it might do a number on the flu as well. Hopefully this marks the point in history when we finally tell people who are sick to stay the hell home rather than show up for work.

I hope so to and you are confident mandatory masks won;t be permanent?

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Postby Post War America » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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SARS-CoV-2, and it might do a number on the flu as well. Hopefully this marks the point in history when we finally tell people who are sick to stay the hell home rather than show up for work.

I hope so to and you are confident mandatory masks won;t be permanent?


The most likely outcome is mask wearing being an off and on thing. Like welp its flu season better get my mask on, or possibly if the air quality takes a dip.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:39 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope so to and you are confident mandatory masks won;t be permanent?


The most likely outcome is mask wearing being an off and on thing. Like welp its flu season better get my mask on, or possibly if the air quality takes a dip.

I doubt the government keeps making it a mandatory thing

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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:07 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope so to and you are confident mandatory masks won;t be permanent?


The most likely outcome is mask wearing being an off and on thing. Like welp its flu season better get my mask on, or possibly if the air quality takes a dip.

I would be chuffed if Americans just started wearing masks in public when they themselves are sick.
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Postby Post War America » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:22 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
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The most likely outcome is mask wearing being an off and on thing. Like welp its flu season better get my mask on, or possibly if the air quality takes a dip.

I would be chuffed if Americans just started wearing masks in public when they themselves are sick.


It's gonna need to happen eventually, there are only going to be more and worse plagues in the future.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:29 pm

Post War America wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I would be chuffed if Americans just started wearing masks in public when they themselves are sick.


It's gonna need to happen eventually, there are only going to be more and worse plagues in the future.

A permanent mandatory mask requirement?

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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:36 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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It's gonna need to happen eventually, there are only going to be more and worse plagues in the future.

A permanent mandatory mask requirement?

No, just a culture of, "if I have a cold, I'll put a mask on in public."

Other countries do this as a matter of habit. It's not outrageous or impossible.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:40 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:A permanent mandatory mask requirement?

No, just a culture of, "if I have a cold, I'll put a mask on in public."

Other countries do this as a matter of habit. It's not outrageous or impossible.

I think that’s perfectly reasonable

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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Thu Jul 23, 2020 6:45 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope so to and you are confident mandatory masks won;t be permanent?


The most likely outcome is mask wearing being an off and on thing. Like welp its flu season better get my mask on, or possibly if the air quality takes a dip.

Put on a mask->The number of infected people decreased->Take off the mask->disease is back->Put on a mask->num decreased .....
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Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Vetalia wrote:
It's definitely not going to be permanent, I imagine long-term the main change will be more widespread use of masks when people are sick similar to Asia. Who knows, maybe these mask mandates themselves might end up just burning things out on their own...


I certainly hope its not permanent. Burning what out?

Burning mask,burn mask for the god.At the same time, the California government bought another 400 million masks from China because of insufficient masks
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Postby Slavakino » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:43 pm

Coronavirus shit is still enforced in my state in Australia despite borders and planes closed and 0 cases
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:50 pm

Slavakino wrote:Coronavirus shit is still enforced in my state in Australia despite borders and planes closed and 0 cases


Tho, NSW had almost got rid of coronavirus and re-opened inessential and high risk businesses like pubs. Guess where the second wave started?
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Slavakino wrote:Coronavirus shit is still enforced in my state in Australia despite borders and planes closed and 0 cases


Tho, NSW had almost got rid of coronavirus and re-opened inessential and high risk businesses like pubs. Guess where the second wave started?

SA is a much smaller state compared to NSW, not to mention the Eastern States is more highly dense with people there
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