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Valrifell wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Your not going to be able to sustain that for years to come

Why not? Wearing masks and social distancing is very non-invasive and helps slow the spread of COVID. It wouldn't be for years consecutively, just maybe for a few weeks whenever a confirmed case is found in a certain town or county.

How well did applying restrictions after detecting the first case work the first time?

Valrifell wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Your not going to be able to sustain that for years to come

Why not? Wearing masks and social distancing is very non-invasive and helps slow the spread of COVID. It wouldn't be for years consecutively, just maybe for a few weeks whenever a confirmed case is found in a certain town or county.

If it gets bad enough, then the whole state may get involved, but presuming vaccination that may not be necessary.

Exactly. It would likely just be on a town level(maybe on a state level if it is particularly bad) and will just involve everyone wearing masks and social distancing for like a week or two and some testing and then it ends. That will still allow businesses to function and will (along with the vaccine) go a long way in preventing a second wave.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Why not? Wearing masks and social distancing is very non-invasive and helps slow the spread of COVID. It wouldn't be for years consecutively, just maybe for a few weeks whenever a confirmed case is found in a certain town or county.

How well did applying restrictions after detecting the first case work the first time?

We didn't apply restrictions after detecting the first case, is the problem. Well, technically we did, but it's more accurate to say that restrictions weren't placed until we had several hundred cases.

Valrifell wrote:

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
How well did applying restrictions after detecting the first case work the first time?

We didn't apply restrictions after detecting the first case, is the problem. Well, technically we did, but it's more accurate to say that restrictions weren't placed until we had several hundred cases.

If the virus was supposed to disappear in April when the heat came in, how come the worst hot spots are in the south, in the summer?

Farnhamia wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
We didn't apply restrictions after detecting the first case, is the problem. Well, technically we did, but it's more accurate to say that restrictions weren't placed until we had several hundred cases.

If the virus was supposed to disappear in April when the heat came in, how come the worst hot spots are in the south, in the summer?

Because Republican politicians "politely" refuse to listen to the advice of epidemiologists and other pandemic experts.

Valrifell wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:If the virus was supposed to disappear in April when the heat came in, how come the worst hot spots are in the south, in the summer?

Because Republican politicians "politely" refuse to listen to the advice of epidemiologists and other pandemic experts.

Yeah, okay, but shouldn't the blazing heat of summer eradicated it? President Trump said it would.

Farnhamia wrote:Yeah, okay, but shouldn't the blazing heat of summer eradicated it? President Trump said it would.

I'm certain it has done so...outdoors. Problem is most people and businesses don't exactly turn off the AC (one of the most effective means of spreading the virus) and open the windows during summer in the US. Rather ironic that the least developed countries without widespread AC and younger populations are the most equipped to contain SARS-CoV-2. In any case I expect this will all be over one way or another with around 340k deaths in the US.

That being said, this was all supposed to go from 15 cases to zero back in February according to that dipshit.

Andsed wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
Why not? Wearing masks and social distancing is very non-invasive and helps slow the spread of COVID. It wouldn't be for years consecutively, just maybe for a few weeks whenever a confirmed case is found in a certain town or county.

If it gets bad enough, then the whole state may get involved, but presuming vaccination that may not be necessary.

Exactly. It would likely just be on a town level(maybe on a state level if it is particularly bad) and will just involve everyone wearing masks and social distancing for like a week or two and some testing and then it ends. That will still allow businesses to function and will (along with the vaccine) go a long way in preventing a second wave.

It's quaint how you both talk about "towns". Are you talking about cities ... or can the cities just go to hell?

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Andsed wrote:Exactly. It would likely just be on a town level(maybe on a state level if it is particularly bad) and will just involve everyone wearing masks and social distancing for like a week or two and some testing and then it ends. That will still allow businesses to function and will (along with the vaccine) go a long way in preventing a second wave.

It's quaint how you both talk about "towns". Are you talking about cities ... or can the cities just go to hell?

That's quite the story you inferred from a single word choice.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:It's quaint how you both talk about "towns". Are you talking about cities ... or can the cities just go to hell?

No, it's a simple fact that population density and SARS-CoV-2 prevalence are correlated.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Andsed wrote:Exactly. It would likely just be on a town level(maybe on a state level if it is particularly bad) and will just involve everyone wearing masks and social distancing for like a week or two and some testing and then it ends. That will still allow businesses to function and will (along with the vaccine) go a long way in preventing a second wave.

It's quaint how you both talk about "towns". Are you talking about cities ... or can the cities just go to hell?

I thought it would be clear that what we were proposing would also apply to cites. Granted it would have to be more than a single case to enact on the entire city, but if there was enough confirmed cases the same polices would apply.

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/508530-fauci-on-coronavirus-i-dont-really-see-us-eradicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

Just because the virus hasn't been eradicated doesn't mean you need mandatory masks and social distancing.

Flu hasn't been eradicated. Have you had masks and social distancing ever since 1918? No. The fatality rate went down on its own due to natural immunity, and that was even before they invented flu shots.

Measles hasn't been eradicated despite the existence of a very effective vaccine. Do you need masks and social distancing to control that? No. You just need to use the vaccine.

After a while, some combination of natural immunity and vaccination will reduce the rate of COVID infections and deaths, even if the virus is not eradicated.

Adamede wrote:

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
It's quaint how you both talk about "towns". Are you talking about cities ... or can the cities just go to hell?

That's quite the story you inferred from a single word choice.

I live in a city. The implication that the country and the town are all that matters to you, bothered me.

ED: Never mind, Andsed explained.

Andsed wrote:

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
It's quaint how you both talk about "towns". Are you talking about cities ... or can the cities just go to hell?

I thought it would be clear that what we were proposing would also apply to cites. Granted it would have to be more than a single case to enact on the entire city, but if there was enough confirmed cases the same polices would apply.

OK. When our city of Melbourne had the beginnings of a second wave, they shut down 4 suburbs, by postcode. Then it was 7 and now it's the whole city. 403 new cases yesterday.

I don't think anyone really expected shutting down enclaves of a city, according to an invisible postcode line, to work. They tried anyway. It didn't work. I suppose it might have slowed it down?

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Andsed wrote:I thought it would be clear that what we were proposing would also apply to cites. Granted it would have to be more than a single case to enact on the entire city, but if there was enough confirmed cases the same polices would apply.

OK. When our city of Melbourne had the beginnings of a second wave, they shut down 4 suburbs, by postcode. Then it was 7 and now it's the whole city. 403 new cases yesterday.

I don't think anyone really expected shutting down enclaves of a city, according to an invisible postcode line, to work. They tried anyway. It didn't work. I suppose it might have slowed it down?

Must be nice to have people actually give a shit about the situation. Can't relate.

Are Australia and New Zealand still accepting 'COVID refugees'? Asking for myself.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Andsed wrote:I thought it would be clear that what we were proposing would also apply to cites. Granted it would have to be more than a single case to enact on the entire city, but if there was enough confirmed cases the same polices would apply.

OK. When our city of Melbourne had the beginnings of a second wave, they shut down 4 suburbs, by postcode. Then it was 7 and now it's the whole city. 403 new cases yesterday.

I don't think anyone really expected shutting down enclaves of a city, according to an invisible postcode line, to work. They tried anyway. It didn't work. I suppose it might have slowed it down?

Right, but that's now without a vaccine or herd immunity. If a large part of the population are already vaccinated or recovered, it becomes easier to contain outbreaks.

-SARS- wrote:

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/508530-fauci-on-coronavirus-i-dont-really-see-us-eradicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

Just because the virus hasn't been eradicated doesn't mean you need mandatory masks and social distancing.

Flu hasn't been eradicated. Have you had masks and social distancing ever since 1918? No. The fatality rate went down on its own due to natural immunity, and that was even before they invented flu shots.

Measles hasn't been eradicated despite the existence of a very effective vaccine. Do you need masks and social distancing to control that? No. You just need to use the vaccine.

After a while, some combination of natural immunity and vaccination will reduce the rate of COVID infections and deaths, even if the virus is not eradicated.

I’m really glad that we might soon not have to worry about masks and social distancing.

I don’t think I could live in a world with permanent mask and social distancing rules. I think that’s why my mental health hasn’t been so great in the past few months.

Xmara wrote:

-SARS- wrote:
Just because the virus hasn't been eradicated doesn't mean you need mandatory masks and social distancing.

Flu hasn't been eradicated. Have you had masks and social distancing ever since 1918? No. The fatality rate went down on its own due to natural immunity, and that was even before they invented flu shots.

Measles hasn't been eradicated despite the existence of a very effective vaccine. Do you need masks and social distancing to control that? No. You just need to use the vaccine.

After a while, some combination of natural immunity and vaccination will reduce the rate of COVID infections and deaths, even if the virus is not eradicated.

I’m really glad that we might soon not have to worry about masks and social distancing.

I don’t think I could live in a world with permanent mask and social distancing rules. I think that’s why my mental health hasn’t been so great in the past few months.

Can confirm, I've been on the edge of losing my mind since around late May.

New Visayan Islands wrote:

Xmara wrote:I’m really glad that we might soon not have to worry about masks and social distancing.

I don’t think I could live in a world with permanent mask and social distancing rules. I think that’s why my mental health hasn’t been so great in the past few months.

Can confirm, I've been on the edge of losing my mind since around late May.

Honestly, I'm tired of it too. This nation is a coping mechanism.

Torisakia wrote:

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
OK. When our city of Melbourne had the beginnings of a second wave, they shut down 4 suburbs, by postcode. Then it was 7 and now it's the whole city. 403 new cases yesterday.

I don't think anyone really expected shutting down enclaves of a city, according to an invisible postcode line, to work. They tried anyway. It didn't work. I suppose it might have slowed it down?

Must be nice to have people actually give a shit about the situation. Can't relate.

Are Australia and New Zealand still accepting 'COVID refugees'? Asking for myself.

We have a second wave in Sydney too. We closed the border too late imo. But at least Sydneysiders have fresh ammo in the perennial "Sydney/Melbourne which is worse" contest.

No and No.

-SARS- wrote:

New Visayan Islands wrote:Can confirm, I've been on the edge of losing my mind since around late May.

Honestly, I'm tired of it too. This nation is a coping mechanism.

I’ve had breakdowns, panic attacks, and mood swings since late March/early April. My mood has oscillated between content, apathetic, hopeless, fearful, and angry.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Torisakia wrote:Must be nice to have people actually give a shit about the situation. Can't relate.

Are Australia and New Zealand still accepting 'COVID refugees'? Asking for myself.

We have a second wave in Sydney too. We closed the border too late imo. But at least Sydneysiders have fresh ammo in the perennial "Sydney/Melbourne which is worse" contest.

No and No.

Dammit. Sooner or later some country will take me in so I can get out of this horrible country. I'd settle for the DRC or Saudi Arabia at this point.

Xmara wrote:

-SARS- wrote:
Honestly, I'm tired of it too. This nation is a coping mechanism.

I’ve had breakdowns, panic attacks, and mood swings since late March/early April. My mood has oscillated between content, apathetic, hopeless, fearful, and angry.

My mental health is the worst it's been in years. Some days I don't even want to get out of bed. Even getting up to eat is like, "Do I really have to?"

I think I already caught the virus, but people still want to get up my ass about it if I don't take the same precautions they're taking.

-SARS- wrote:

Xmara wrote:I’ve had breakdowns, panic attacks, and mood swings since late March/early April. My mood has oscillated between content, apathetic, hopeless, fearful, and angry.

My mental health is the worst it's been in years. Some days I don't even want to get out of bed. Even getting up to eat is like, "Do I really have to?"

I think I already caught the virus, but people still want to get up my ass about it if I don't take the same precautions they're taking.

You should still take precautions to protect other people, even if you think you already had covid-19.

Meanwhile, in England - is Pret still a shop?... It's worth noting that the Scottish legislation on face coverings in shop explicitly excludes cafes, restaurants, bars and pubs