Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[The Black Forrest]

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/22/894049653/one-third-of-u-s-museums-may-not-survive-the-year-survey-finds?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr

One third of all museums in the United States might close due to shutdowns

That sucks. Maybe the federal government should have given them some cash....

You would think part of MAGA would be preserving the institutions who exhibit our history, our art........

[Estanglia]

That sucks. Maybe the federal government should have given them some cash....

You would think part of MAGA would be preserving the institutions who exhibit our history, our art........

Especially since they care so much about statues.

[San Lumen]

That sucks. Maybe the federal government should have given them some cash....

You would think part of MAGA would be preserving the institutions who exhibit our history, our art........

Why would they care ? A fair number of them are ignorant anyway and probably don’t know much about art or culture to begin with

[Vetalia]

Statewide mandatory mask order in effect for Ohio as of 6pm tomorrow. Seems pretty mundane, all things considered, and is a much better alternative than attempting to shut things down again.

[Post War America]

That sucks. Maybe the federal government should have given them some cash....

Republicans don’t care plus it all went to big corporations that didn’t need a penny

Your daily reminder that the corporate bailout wouldn't have happened without the support of House Democrats.

[Ifreann]

You would think part of MAGA would be preserving the institutions who exhibit our history, our art........

Why would they care ? A fair number of them are ignorant anyway and probably don’t know much about art or culture to begin with

Bow, peasants, for you are among the cultural elite.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/p ... radicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

[Andsed]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/508530-fauci-on-coronavirus-i-dont-really-see-us-eradicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

He is suggesting that while we should get control of it there may be flare ups from time to time meaning maybe some partial restrictions.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/508530-fauci-on-coronavirus-i-dont-really-see-us-eradicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

He is suggesting that while we should get control of it there may be flare ups from time to time meaning maybe some partial restrictions.

so masks forever and we kill whole industries because of a illness and no more large gatherings?

[Ifreann]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/508530-fauci-on-coronavirus-i-dont-really-see-us-eradicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

If you would read the article:

"We’ll bring it down to such a low level that we will not be in the position we are right now for an extended period of time."

Though it is obviously the case that we might have to reinstate the lockdown restrictions because, and this is quite technical so bear with me, there might be a different virus some day.

[Andsed]

He is suggesting that while we should get control of it there may be flare ups from time to time meaning maybe some partial restrictions.

so masks forever and we kill whole industries because of a illness and no more large gatherings?

Not at all. We just might have to go back to some social distancing for a little bit from time to time. Not that we will have to wear masks forever.

[San Lumen]

so masks forever and we kill whole industries because of a illness and no more large gatherings?

Not at all. We just might have to go back to some social distancing for a little bit from time to time. Not that we will have to wear masks forever.

Why would you need that if we have a vaccine? That makes no sense to me

[Andsed]

Not at all. We just might have to go back to some social distancing for a little bit from time to time. Not that we will have to wear masks forever.

Why would you need that if we have a vaccine? That makes no sense to me

Vaccines are very effective but they can fail from time to time. There may be flare ups.

[Ifreann]

Not at all. We just might have to go back to some social distancing for a little bit from time to time. Not that we will have to wear masks forever.

Why would you need that if we have a vaccine? That makes no sense to me

Lots of people aren't going to take the vaccine.

[San Lumen]

Why would you need that if we have a vaccine? That makes no sense to me

Vaccines are very effective but they can fail from time to time. There may be flare ups.

Why would it fail after being used?

[Valrifell]

Not at all. We just might have to go back to some social distancing for a little bit from time to time. Not that we will have to wear masks forever.

Why would you need that if we have a vaccine? That makes no sense to me

It's like how there are bubonic plague outbreaks in spite of the fact of very developed antibiotics, or how you can still get a measles outbreak even though it's vaccinated against.

Some populations will refuse to be vaccinated or cannot be vaccinated or were unable to vaccinated (for a variety of underlying factors), this can sometimes provide enough population for outbreaks to occur in certain areas of the world/country. This is why we were dealing with a measles outbreak some time back.

[Valrifell]

Vaccines are very effective but they can fail from time to time. There may be flare ups.

Why would it fail after being used?

Vaccines don't work 100% of the time if only for the fact that nothing really works 100% of the time. One dose of the measles vaccine, for instance, is 93% effective.

[San Lumen]

Why would it fail after being used?

Vaccines don't work 100% of the time if only for the fact that nothing really works 100% of the time. One dose of the measles vaccine, for instance, is 93% effective.

I don’t think there are any 100 percent effective vaccines

[Valrifell]

Vaccines don't work 100% of the time if only for the fact that nothing really works 100% of the time. One dose of the measles vaccine, for instance, is 93% effective.

I don’t think there are any 100 percent effective vaccines

Me neither, which would be the major factor as to why there's probably going to be outbreaks after this first pandemic. I mean (as far as human diseases go) we've only completely eliminated smallpox. This is what Andsed was talking about.

[San Lumen]

I don’t think there are any 100 percent effective vaccines

Me neither, which would be the major factor as to why there's probably going to be outbreaks after this first pandemic. I mean (as far as human diseases go) we've only completely eliminated smallpox. This is what Andsed was talking about.

Thank you for the clarification.

I don’t think we are going to have on and off lockdowns, social distancing and mandatory masks for years to come though. At least I hope not

[Salandriagado]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/508530-fauci-on-coronavirus-i-dont-really-see-us-eradicating

What is Fauci suggesting here? That even with a vaccine we wont eliminate it and mandatory masks, social distancing and lockdowns might never fully go away or be reinstated at any time? I thought the whole point of vaccine was to eliminate it?

You know all of those vaccinations you had as a kid? What the fuck do you think they're for? I'll give you a hint: it isn't for diseases that we've magically eradicated by having a vaccine. Indeed, we've eradicated exactly two viruses ever (smallpox and a virus that killed off cattle), and not for lack of trying: Polio and Yellow Fever stil exist, despite massive global campaigns to eradicate them.

Notice, also, that we haven't needed mandatory masks, social distancing, or lockdowns to control any of those, despite them still being around (and many of them with R₀ significantly greater than SARS-CoV-2). Mass-scale vaccination suppresses the reproduction rate sufficiently that outbreaks can't get out of hand. It isn't magic.

Also, we've never eradicated any virus with wild animal reservoirs, and honestly I'm not even sure how you would without deliberately causing a major extinction event.

[Andsed]

Me neither, which would be the major factor as to why there's probably going to be outbreaks after this first pandemic. I mean (as far as human diseases go) we've only completely eliminated smallpox. This is what Andsed was talking about.

Thank you for the clarification.

I don’t think we are going to have on and off lockdowns, social distancing and mandatory masks for years to come though. At least I hope not

Full on lockdowns is unlikely unless we get a particularity bad flare up. Restrictions will most likely just be mandated mask wearing and social distancing. And they will likely not go for long stretches of time(I would guess they would be around for like a month or two) and they will likely just be in the parts of the nation where the flare up is.

[San Lumen]

Thank you for the clarification.

I don’t think we are going to have on and off lockdowns, social distancing and mandatory masks for years to come though. At least I hope not

Full on lockdowns is unlikely unless we get a particularity bad flare up. Restrictions will most likely just be mandated mask wearing and social distancing. And they will likely not go for long stretches of time(I would guess they would be around for like a month or two) and they will likely just be in the parts of the nation where the flare up is.

Your not going to be able to sustain that for years to come

[Valrifell]

Full on lockdowns is unlikely unless we get a particularity bad flare up. Restrictions will most likely just be mandated mask wearing and social distancing. And they will likely not go for long stretches of time(I would guess they would be around for like a month or two) and they will likely just be in the parts of the nation where the flare up is.

Your not going to be able to sustain that for years to come

Why not? Wearing masks and social distancing is very non-invasive and helps slow the spread of COVID. It wouldn't be for years consecutively, just maybe for a few weeks whenever a confirmed case is found in a certain town or county.

If it gets bad enough, then the whole state may get involved, but presuming vaccination that may not be necessary.

[Andsed]

Full on lockdowns is unlikely unless we get a particularity bad flare up. Restrictions will most likely just be mandated mask wearing and social distancing. And they will likely not go for long stretches of time(I would guess they would be around for like a month or two) and they will likely just be in the parts of the nation where the flare up is.

Your not going to be able to sustain that for years to come

Sure we can. Social distancing and masks still allow for businesses to function and they would only implemented in a single area occasionally when cases start to pop up in that area and they would only last for like a month.