NATION

PASSWORD

Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
San Lumen
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 87270
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:37 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That's quite interesting and that's putting it mildly


If it’s proven, yes, because it would give us a more tangible pandemic resolution timeline.

I hope its true.

User avatar
Stellar Colonies
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6434
Founded: Mar 27, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:09 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:What in the utter fvck is this?

Jesus Christ.


Terrifying isn't it?

Is there definite evidence of this?
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.

The Confederacy & the WA.

Add 1200 years.

User avatar
Shanghai industrial complex
Minister
 
Posts: 2862
Founded: Feb 20, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:46 am

多看空我 仮面ライダークウガをたくさん見てください Watch more Masked Rider Kukuku Kuuga!

User avatar
Glorious Hong Kong
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1357
Founded: Nov 01, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:28 am

How utterly obnoxious. If I was American, I would be absolutely incensed.
LIBERATE HONG KONG. REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES. CCP DELENDA EST.
VIVE LE FRANCE. JE SUIS SAMUEL PATY. I STAND WITH EUROPE AND ISRAEL AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM.
ALL LIVES MATTER.
Wuhan coronavirus is racist but Japanese encephalitis is A-OK. The CCP has nothing to do with this double standard whatsoever. Nothing to see here.
The case against communism
Definition of radical Islam

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59294
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:39 am

Fartsniffage wrote:Anyone from Texas want to comment on this thread?

https://imgur.com/gallery/dAFkzRy

Utterly depressing.
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Salandriagado
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22831
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:43 am

In better news, the other adenovirus-based vaccine has reported its Phase II results, and they look similarly promising.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:41 am

Spain's Corona Virus rate just tripled in three weeks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... reddit.com
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Shanghai industrial complex
Minister
 
Posts: 2862
Founded: Feb 20, 2020
Ex-Nation

Postby Shanghai industrial complex » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:48 am

Salandriagado wrote:In better news, the other adenovirus-based vaccine has reported its Phase II results, and they look similarly promising.

Er...It's the same article I sent.Why do you use the word 'other'?
多看空我 仮面ライダークウガをたくさん見てください Watch more Masked Rider Kukuku Kuuga!

User avatar
Valrifell
Post Czar
 
Posts: 31063
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Valrifell » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:49 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:How utterly obnoxious. If I was American, I would be absolutely incensed.


Look, I can only get so incensed.
HAVING AN ALL CAPS SIG MAKES ME FEEL SMART

User avatar
Greed and Death
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53383
Founded: Mar 20, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Greed and Death » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:52 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:why would it be that low?


It’s what the data seems to suggest based on what’s happening with the virus’s behavior in NYC and Italy.


New York has 25% infected overall. What likely has happened is those likely to have contacted and spread the virus have much higher rates ie service personal, medical workers, and retail.

The other issue in New York is weather, now that we know central air and heating spread the virus in New York your bodegas can turn off the AC, open the doors and run some fans and generally be workable. The office buildings that use central air are still mostly closed as their employees are working from home.

The problem arises for NYC in winter where heating is not an option. This may explain why the south had few infections initially but many in the summer.
"Trying to solve the healthcare problem by mandating people buy insurance is like trying to solve the homeless problem by mandating people buy a house."(paraphrase from debate with Hilary Clinton)
Barack Obama

User avatar
Salandriagado
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22831
Founded: Apr 03, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Salandriagado » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:59 am

Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:In better news, the other adenovirus-based vaccine has reported its Phase II results, and they look similarly promising.

Er...It's the same article I sent.Why do you use the word 'other'?


It's the other one to the one we've been mostly discussing, and the one that's been making headlines.
Cosara wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59294
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:12 am

Image

Haha
Irish Nationalist from Belfast / Leftwing / Atheist / Alliance Party voter
"I never thought in terms of being a leader, i thought very simply in terms of helping people" - John Hume 1937 - 2020



I like Miniature painting, Tanks, English Gals, Video games and most importantly Cheese.


User avatar
Tinhampton
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13701
Founded: Oct 05, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:21 am

Greed and Death wrote:Spain's Corona Virus rate just tripled in three weeks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... reddit.com

The article (via Maria Sierra) claims that infection rates have gone from 8/100,000 at the end of last month, which was about three weeks ago, to 27/100,000 today. Over what time period is not stated - although Blackburn (with Darwen, if we must be precise) and locked-down Leicester are both recording 11/100,000 per day at this stage. The above does not use a particularly good yardstick: somebody who has no immediate access to the other relevant data cannot easily ascertain how bad the situation was a few months ago when coronavirus was peaking in Spain using the data given above, while local outbreaks can probably mess about with national infection rates about as easily as they can national R numbers.

Thank you for the inadvertent reminder - I have removed the OP's link to covidly.com, which claims to have "Data updated a few minutes ago" but has actually not been updated for a number of days, and replaced it with one to Daniel Conlon's Cov19.cc.
The Self-Administrative City of TINHAMPTON (pop. 329,537): Saffron Howard, Mayor (UCP); Alexander Smith, WA Delegate-Ambassador

Authorships & co-authorships: SC#250, SC#251, Issue #1115, SC#267, GA#484, GA#491, GA#533, GA#540, GA#549, SC#356, GA#559, GA#562, GA#567, GA#578, SC#374, GA#582, SC#375, GA#589, GA#590, SC#382, SC#385*, GA#597, GA#607, SC#415, GA#647, GA#656, GA#664, GA#671, GA#674, GA#675, GA#677, GA#680, Issue #1580, GA#682, GA#683, GA#684, GA#692, GA#693, GA#715
The rest of my CV: Cup of Harmony 73 champions; Philosopher-Queen of Sophia; *author of the most popular SC Res. ever; anti-NPO cabalist in good standing; 48yo Tory woman w/Asperger's; Cambridge graduate ~ currently reading The World by Simon Sebag Montefiore

User avatar
Ifreann
Post Overlord
 
Posts: 163903
Founded: Aug 07, 2005
Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Haha

Practice safe sex *nods*
He/Him

beating the devil
we never run from the devil
we never summon the devil
we never hide from from the devil
we never

User avatar
The Alma Mater
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25619
Founded: May 23, 2004
Ex-Nation

Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:39 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:(Image)

Haha


Sexworkers, especially those active in the bdsm scene, have been arguing that they should get an exemption due to wearing masks and using barriers for months :P
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease.
It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.
- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather

User avatar
Knask
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1240
Founded: Oct 20, 2009
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Knask » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:42 am

Sweden now has 5 646 deaths, an increase of 7 in the last 24 hours, and 558 deaths per million.

Comparatively:
Denmark has seen a total of 611 deaths and a mortality rate of 105 pr. million.
Finland has seen a total of 328 and a mortality rate of 59 pr. million.
Norway has seen a total of 255 and a mortality rate of 47 pr. million.

Sweden's Tegnell says that Sweden is in an extremely good position, and will suffer less dire consequences from Covid-19 than Norway.

How he gets to that conclusion he doesn't bother explaining.

User avatar
Glorious Hong Kong
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1357
Founded: Nov 01, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:26 am

Daily infections in Malaysia have been spiking again to double digits these past ten days or so due to growing complacency by members of the public. People have stopped wearing face masks and some of the joints I've personally frequented at have stopped enforcing strict social distancing regulations as required by law. Malaysians and permanent residents arriving from overseas have begun to violate their compulsory 14-day home quarantine, and even if all the rules have been obeyed, family members of imported cases are still being infected and spreading the disease locally. Over a dozen new clusters have sprung up across the country since Jun. 10th.

We can expect much harsher enforcement and stiffer penalties from now on. The failed home quarantine arrangement for international arrivals is set to be abandoned in favor of quarantine facilities once again, and wearing of face masks in public will be made compulsory as soon as an SOP has been drawn up. The government has threatened to re-impose a full, economically crippling lockdown if this upward trend continues.

The second wave is everywhere now.

Knask wrote:Sweden now has 5 646 deaths, an increase of 7 in the last 24 hours, and 558 deaths per million.

Comparatively:
Denmark has seen a total of 611 deaths and a mortality rate of 105 pr. million.
Finland has seen a total of 328 and a mortality rate of 59 pr. million.
Norway has seen a total of 255 and a mortality rate of 47 pr. million.

Sweden's Tegnell says that Sweden is in an extremely good position, and will suffer less dire consequences from Covid-19 than Norway.

How he gets to that conclusion he doesn't bother explaining.


According to Worldometers, daily cases in Sweden have been falling off rapidly since roughly the beginning of this month while new deaths are now approaching zero a day. Is this accurate?
LIBERATE HONG KONG. REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES. CCP DELENDA EST.
VIVE LE FRANCE. JE SUIS SAMUEL PATY. I STAND WITH EUROPE AND ISRAEL AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM.
ALL LIVES MATTER.
Wuhan coronavirus is racist but Japanese encephalitis is A-OK. The CCP has nothing to do with this double standard whatsoever. Nothing to see here.
The case against communism
Definition of radical Islam

User avatar
Knask
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1240
Founded: Oct 20, 2009
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Knask » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:37 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Daily infections in Malaysia have been spiking again to double digits these past ten days or so due to growing complacency by members of the public. People have stopped wearing face masks and some of the joints I've personally frequented at have stopped enforcing strict social distancing regulations as required by law. Malaysians and permanent residents arriving from overseas have begun to violate their compulsory 14-day home quarantine, and even if all the rules have been obeyed, family members of imported cases are still being infected and spreading the disease locally. Over a dozen new clusters have sprung up across the country since Jun. 10th.

We can expect much harsher enforcement and stiffer penalties from now on. The failed home quarantine arrangement for international arrivals is set to be abandoned in favor of quarantine facilities once again, and wearing of face masks in public will be made compulsory as soon as an SOP has been drawn up. The government has threatened to re-impose a full, economically crippling lockdown if this upward trend continues.

The second wave is everywhere now.

Knask wrote:Sweden now has 5 646 deaths, an increase of 7 in the last 24 hours, and 558 deaths per million.

Comparatively:
Denmark has seen a total of 611 deaths and a mortality rate of 105 pr. million.
Finland has seen a total of 328 and a mortality rate of 59 pr. million.
Norway has seen a total of 255 and a mortality rate of 47 pr. million.

Sweden's Tegnell says that Sweden is in an extremely good position, and will suffer less dire consequences from Covid-19 than Norway.

How he gets to that conclusion he doesn't bother explaining.


According to Worldometers, daily cases in Sweden have been falling off rapidly since roughly the beginning of this month while new deaths are now approaching zero a day. Is this accurate?

That is pretty accurate. While the numbers are much lower than before, people are still dying every day.

User avatar
Glorious Hong Kong
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1357
Founded: Nov 01, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:04 am

Knask wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Daily infections in Malaysia have been spiking again to double digits these past ten days or so due to growing complacency by members of the public. People have stopped wearing face masks and some of the joints I've personally frequented at have stopped enforcing strict social distancing regulations as required by law. Malaysians and permanent residents arriving from overseas have begun to violate their compulsory 14-day home quarantine, and even if all the rules have been obeyed, family members of imported cases are still being infected and spreading the disease locally. Over a dozen new clusters have sprung up across the country since Jun. 10th.

We can expect much harsher enforcement and stiffer penalties from now on. The failed home quarantine arrangement for international arrivals is set to be abandoned in favor of quarantine facilities once again, and wearing of face masks in public will be made compulsory as soon as an SOP has been drawn up. The government has threatened to re-impose a full, economically crippling lockdown if this upward trend continues.

The second wave is everywhere now.



According to Worldometers, daily cases in Sweden have been falling off rapidly since roughly the beginning of this month while new deaths are now approaching zero a day. Is this accurate?

That is pretty accurate. While the numbers are much lower than before, people are still dying every day.


Not for much longer hopefully.
LIBERATE HONG KONG. REVOLUTION OF OUR TIMES. CCP DELENDA EST.
VIVE LE FRANCE. JE SUIS SAMUEL PATY. I STAND WITH EUROPE AND ISRAEL AGAINST RADICAL ISLAM.
ALL LIVES MATTER.
Wuhan coronavirus is racist but Japanese encephalitis is A-OK. The CCP has nothing to do with this double standard whatsoever. Nothing to see here.
The case against communism
Definition of radical Islam

User avatar
Knask
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1240
Founded: Oct 20, 2009
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Knask » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:57 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Knask wrote:That is pretty accurate. While the numbers are much lower than before, people are still dying every day.


Not for much longer hopefully.

Hopefully, yes. But it should have been down to zero a long time ago. They are the only Nordic country still seeing daily deaths, and while nordic citizens can currently travel freely between Denmark, Finland, Norway and Iceland, Swedes are not allowed entry to any of those countries without a 10 day quarantine upon entry.

In short, Sweden is way behind the comparative curve, with a much higher rate of deaths, and an almost similar level of negative economic impact. The evidence point to the choices made were bad, yet swedish health authorities arrogantly maintain that "Sweden did everything right, and all other countries have handled this incorrectly".
Last edited by Knask on Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:57 am, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Gormwood
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14727
Founded: Mar 25, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Gormwood » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:06 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Is the ChAd vaccine mRNA or the virus itself?

Because the Moderna vaccine doesn’t have that many side effects. Though when it comes to trials you have to write down everything you feel. So the side effects might not be caused by the vaccine


It is made from a genetically engineered virus that causes the common cold in chimpanzees.

It has been heavily modified, first so it cannot cause infections in people and also to make it "look" more like coronavirus.

Scientists did this by transferring the genetic instructions for the coronavirus's "spike protein" - the crucial tool it uses to invade our cells - to the vaccine they were developing.

This means the vaccine resembles the coronavirus and the immune system can learn how to attack it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839

Wasn't this exactly how Simian Flu was created?
Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.
Breath So Bad, It Actually Drives People Mad

User avatar
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27929
Founded: Jun 28, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:36 am

Knask wrote:Sweden's Tegnell says that Sweden is in an extremely good position, and will suffer less dire consequences from Covid-19 than Norway.

How he gets to that conclusion he doesn't bother explaining.

If you actually cannot understand Swedish do tell because this is easily construed as misinformation if a guy fluent in the language looked at what you are posting and what's actually been said. What's actually been said is Norway is going to suffer if another wave hits while Sweden would comparatively do better because we have more people who are now immune to COVID19 and since we haven't shut down society we have options, Norway doesn't.
The Holy Romangnan Empire of Ostmark
something something the sole legitimate Austria-Hungary larp'er on NS :3

MT/MagicT
The Armed Forces|Embassy Programme|The Imperial and National Anthem of the Holy Roman Empire|Characters|The Map

User avatar
New Visayan Islands
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 9464
Founded: Jan 31, 2017
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Visayan Islands » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:48 am

Hey kids, wanna give American bats The Coof?

Might be something to worry about if colonies of said bats end up becoming reservoirs like the ones in China.
Let "¡Viva la Libertad!" be a cry of Eternal Defiance to the Jackboot.
My TGs are NOT for Mod Stuff.

For details on the man behind NVI, click here.

User avatar
The Black Forrest
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 59148
Founded: Antiquity
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:51 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Is the ChAd vaccine mRNA or the virus itself?

Because the Moderna vaccine doesn’t have that many side effects. Though when it comes to trials you have to write down everything you feel. So the side effects might not be caused by the vaccine


It is made from a genetically engineered virus that causes the common cold in chimpanzees.

It has been heavily modified, first so it cannot cause infections in people and also to make it "look" more like coronavirus.

Scientists did this by transferring the genetic instructions for the coronavirus's "spike protein" - the crucial tool it uses to invade our cells - to the vaccine they were developing.

This means the vaccine resembles the coronavirus and the immune system can learn how to attack it.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839


Fascinating. I look forward to see how the further testing goes......
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

User avatar
Knask
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1240
Founded: Oct 20, 2009
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Knask » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:55 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Knask wrote:Sweden's Tegnell says that Sweden is in an extremely good position, and will suffer less dire consequences from Covid-19 than Norway.

How he gets to that conclusion he doesn't bother explaining.

If you actually cannot understand Swedish do tell because this is easily construed as misinformation if a guy fluent in the language looked at what you are posting and what's actually been said. What's actually been said is Norway is going to suffer if another wave hits while Sweden would comparatively do better because we have more people who are now immune to COVID19 and since we haven't shut down society we have options, Norway doesn't.

Your attempt implying a threat through modly sanctions has been noted and rejected. I listened to his press conference, which I linked to above. You may notice that it's in Swedish, and that should be a hint.

The only difference between your post and mine is that you specify that he mentioned a potential second wave. The notion that Norway doesn't have options is laughable by the way, considering how well Norway has dealt with the situation.

Tegnell has several times said that Sweden will end up in a better situation than Norway in the long run, and it is in that context my post was made. This is just yet another time of him saying that. I agree with the people speaking up against him and his disatrous choices, though you might accuse them of "misinformation" as well.

Don't bother responding to me, you are now on my Foe list.

I en intervju den 18 juni i Expressen TV sa Anders Tegnell: ”Jag tycker att vi haft en coronastrategi som i många aspekter har fungerat väldigt bra.” I sitt sommarprogram tillade han att ”det stora misslyckandet är att så många dog”. Men man måste då fråga sig: Finns det någonting som är viktigare under en pandemi än att människor ska överleva? Och hur kan man anse att en strategi annars har fungerat väldigt bra?
Last edited by Knask on Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:57 am, edited 2 times in total.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads