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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That squiggly line with the dot under it is a question mark, it indicates that the preceding sentence is a question. Tell me what you think is wrong with a policy of vaccinating people and what policy you want to replace it.


And an economic downturn is not the same as a collapse. You've been saying for a year that whole industries were on the verge of vanishing, hyperinflation would have us paying thousands of dollars for bread, all joy would be gone from the world. And you were wrong, wrong, wrong. And now that there is light at the end of the tunnel you are still saying the same thing.


I don't have any problem with vaccinations and I dont understand why your trying to make the claim that I do.

You said that Germany's policy had failed and they need a new one. Their policy is to vaccinate people. If you don't have a problem with vaccinating people then explain what you mean.

We now have a plan in my country and the rollout is going well and the messaging is changing as result.

In much of Europe its keep everything closed and expect a different outcome from before even though we only have ourselves to blame for screwing up the procurement and rollout of vaccines so badly.

In much of Europe we've avoided the massive death toll seen in America because we've been willing to have lockdowns.

You don't expect people to become frustrated with a government that seems to have no plan whatsoever and won't acknowledge the consequences of their actions? Germany has been under near total lockdown for four months now.

Good, that should keep cases down while vaccinations proceed.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:07 am

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I don't know, elderly people tend to make up significant proportions of the population. Are you telling me a few million preventable deaths here and there are perfectly acceptable?


I am not going to deny a million deaths would be a bad thing but the solution cannot be worse than the problem itself. How many starving children, closed business, lost jobs and homeless people is it worth? At some point life has to go on and some European countries in response to their failure have no other solution other than keep everything closed and stop complaining.

There have already been 2.67 million deaths.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I don't have any problem with vaccinations and I dont understand why your trying to make the claim that I do.

You said that Germany's policy had failed and they need a new one. Their policy is to vaccinate people. If you don't have a problem with vaccinating people then explain what you mean.

We now have a plan in my country and the rollout is going well and the messaging is changing as result.

In much of Europe its keep everything closed and expect a different outcome from before even though we only have ourselves to blame for screwing up the procurement and rollout of vaccines so badly.

In much of Europe we've avoided the massive death toll seen in America because we've been willing to have lockdowns.

You don't expect people to become frustrated with a government that seems to have no plan whatsoever and won't acknowledge the consequences of their actions? Germany has been under near total lockdown for four months now.

Good, that should keep cases down while vaccinations proceed.


They did not secure anywhere near enough vaccines and have a massive shortage and are rolling it out at a snails pace.

And as the populous grows increasingly frustrated and defiant as their economy crumbles because their is no plan to end the lockdown the government should just ignore the suffering of the people and say deal with it? Because that's what they are doing.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You said that Germany's policy had failed and they need a new one. Their policy is to vaccinate people. If you don't have a problem with vaccinating people then explain what you mean.


In much of Europe we've avoided the massive death toll seen in America because we've been willing to have lockdowns.


Good, that should keep cases down while vaccinations proceed.


They did not secure anywhere near enough vaccines and have a massive shortage and are rolling it out at a snails pace.

The German government can't really do anything about AstraZeneca not being able to meet the purchase order placed by the EU.

And as the populous grows increasingly frustrated and defiant as their economy crumbles because their is no plan to end the lockdown the government should just ignore the suffering of the people and say deal with it? Because that's what they are doing.

Answering in the other thread since this one will be locked once the mods wake up.
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Postby Kannap » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:16 am

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