Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[Ethel mermania]

So while I can't call it the china virus, I can say south African, UK, or NYC variant.....

You mean variant P.1, variant B.1.351 and variant B.1.1.7, which are the lineage names most commonly used in the literature to describe them and not their geographic names?

Again this is just a really weak attempt at a slam dunk since it's proving the WHOs point about the prevalence and usage of geographic shorthands.

That shorthands make it easier? Thats not the point the WHO is making.

[Picairn]

If I say china, thats racist. If I say south African, it isn't.

Well the WHO discourages you from using geographic locations for naming diseases, which means that saying "South African variant" can also be racist, but that hasn't caused people and the media to stop using that method. As they acknowledged in their own guidelines, the naming powers ultimately belong to existing international systems and bodies, which are dictated by countries. The only thing they can do in this situation is using their own classifications of variants, like what Nilokeras demonstrated.

[Nilokeras]

You mean variant P.1, variant B.1.351 and variant B.1.1.7, which are the lineage names most commonly used in the literature to describe them and not their geographic names?

Again this is just a really weak attempt at a slam dunk since it's proving the WHOs point about the prevalence and usage of geographic shorthands.

That shorthands make it easier? Thats not the point the WHO is making.

That they can often be wrong or misleading. Like, for example, the fact that there are more variants active in those places or that originated there than just those specific variants. And that we don't actually know where many of these variants actually originated, just where they were first identified. See the persistent problem with Lyme disease as to why this isn't helpful.

[Vassenor]

So is the blood clots thing a correlative link rather than a causal one?

Although that makes sense, since any population in lockdown, sat on the sofa for months watching telly and reading books, is far more at risk of developing DVT from that rather than from any vaccine.

[Nilokeras]

WHO fact sheet on Japanese encephalitis

CDC fact sheet

Retroactively renaming viruses or diseases is difficult. Hence the importance of building a new standard.

Interesting how I'm the one with an "unhinged take" when the WHO doesn't even follow its own fucking guidelines.

It's amazing how fast someone who is constantly banging a drum about standing up for enlightened, reasoned thought and science and whatnot immediately turns on science like a rabid dog the very milisecond science doesn't bend to serve your very specific partisan needs.

Keep ignoring facts, shilling for totalitarian regimes, and betraying Third World peoples around the world like you leftists always do and have been doing for years and years. If you want to know what I really think about people like you, kindly pop over to the Syrian Civil War thread and get off your moral high horse.

Good heavens why would I want to do that?

[Nilokeras]

So is the blood clots thing a correlative link rather than a causal one?

Although that makes sense, since any population in lockdown, sat on the sofa for months watching telly and reading books, is far more at risk of developing DVT from that rather than from any vaccine.

That seems to be the broad conclusion from what I've read. It's a function of monitoring an unprecedentedly large population of people who have taken a vaccine for potential side effects - uncommon events like blood clots can get picked up even if there's no direct causal link.

[Vassenor]

Bringing this bit in from the Myanmar thread since it's more relevant here:



As has been pointed out to you over and over, calling the virus 'Japanese encephalitis virus' is just as misleading and unhelpful as calling the novel coronavirus the 'China virus' because of maps like this, which show the virus is endemic to vast swathes of tropical and temperate Asia and Australasia and has been more or less wiped out from Japan due to widespread immunization campaigns in that country. Hence why the WHO put out guidelines years ago strongly warning against geographic names for viruses or other diseases. It really is very simple. I know at this point given the ever increasing length and spittle density of your posts you probably don't care much for how this makes you look but this bit in particular is a particularly unhinged take that does you no favours.

WHO fact sheet on Japanese encephalitis

CDC fact sheet

Interesting how I'm the one with an "unhinged take" when the WHO doesn't even follow its own fucking guidelines. Keep ignoring facts, shilling for totalitarian regimes, and betraying Third World peoples around the world like you leftists always do and have been doing for years and years. If you want to know what I really think about people like you, kindly pop over to the Syrian Civil War thread and get off your moral high horse.

I'm adding the WHO link to my sig just to remind people like you of just how wrong you are. Thank you very much for your timely "feedback". /s

So when can we expect you to call out the UK Government's recent totalitarian streak then?

[Salandriagado]

The reports about the AstraZeneca vaccine causing blood clots is not good. People are going to use this to spread disinformation about the other vaccines.

So we should kill the story even though folks appear to be dying from the shot?

That is literally not true. fewer people who have been given the shot are dying of blood clots than you would expect if they hadn't been given it.

[Salandriagado]

So is the blood clots thing a correlative link rather than a causal one?

Although that makes sense, since any population in lockdown, sat on the sofa for months watching telly and reading books, is far more at risk of developing DVT from that rather than from any vaccine.

Neither. Slightly fewer people than got blood clots than you would have expected if they hadn't been vaccinated. It's straight up literal misinformation.

[Ethel mermania]

So we should kill the story even though folks appear to be dying from the shot?

That is literally not true. fewer people who have been given the shot are dying of blood clots than you would expect if they hadn't been given it.

This issue has only poped up in the past couple days, I wouldn't say any of the research is definitive, and I don't trust anyone who says it is.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So is the blood clots thing a correlative link rather than a causal one?

Although that makes sense, since any population in lockdown, sat on the sofa for months watching telly and reading books, is far more at risk of developing DVT from that rather than from any vaccine.

To have DVT from non-movement you need to like... not move at all for 3 whole days.
<.< >.>

[Vassenor]

That is literally not true. fewer people who have been given the shot are dying of blood clots than you would expect if they hadn't been given it.

This issue has only poped up in the past couple days, I wouldn't say any of the research is definitive, and I don't trust anyone who says it is.

So let's see the evidence of causation then.

[San Lumen]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/health/r ... ium=social

Covid-19 antibodies present in about 1 in 5 blood donations from unvaccinated people, according to data from the American Red Cross

[San Lumen]

https://www.wyomingpublicmedia.org/post ... e#stream/0

Wyoming lifts mask mandate and most other restrictions.

[The New California Republic]

So is the blood clots thing a correlative link rather than a causal one?

Although that makes sense, since any population in lockdown, sat on the sofa for months watching telly and reading books, is far more at risk of developing DVT from that rather than from any vaccine.

Neither. Slightly fewer people than got blood clots than you would have expected if they hadn't been vaccinated. It's straight up literal misinformation.

Yup. Reports today have shown that there are actually slightly less people in the sample group (people vaccinated) developing blood clots in comparison to another sample group (consisting of those not having had the vaccine), so there isn't even correlation between vaccines and blood clots, the notion is just pure dogshit.

[CoraSpia]

Neither. Slightly fewer people than got blood clots than you would have expected if they hadn't been vaccinated. It's straight up literal misinformation.

Yup. Reports today have shown that there are actually slightly less people in the sample group (people vaccinated) developing blood clots in comparison to another sample group (consisting of those not having had the vaccine), so there isn't even correlation between vaccines and blood clots, the notion is just pure dogshit.

Which leads to the question, what the fuck are usually sensible European governments playing at spreading utter dogshit about a vaccine that clearly works? What is in it for them? I don't believe what they're saying but these are the sorts of people we quite definitely don't need spreading the sort of information that leads to vaccine hesitancy.

[San Lumen]

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/new ... 706290001/

Ohio expands COVID-19 vaccine eligibility to 40+, cancer, obesity; all over age 16 eligible March 29

[Ethel mermania]

Neither. Slightly fewer people than got blood clots than you would have expected if they hadn't been vaccinated. It's straight up literal misinformation.

Yup. Reports today have shown that there are actually slightly less people in the sample group (people vaccinated) developing blood clots in comparison to another sample group (consisting of those not having had the vaccine), so there isn't even correlation between vaccines and blood clots, the notion is just pure dogshit.

Reports? You got peer reviewed studies to back the assertion?

Again these vaccines were approved on an emergency basis only, they are not fully tested and guaranteed as safe.

The regulators noticed something they are pausing to look at it. Sounds reasonable to me.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.wyomingpublicmedia.org/post/most-health-restrictions-lifted-tuesday-including-mask-mandate#stream/0

Wyoming lifts mask mandate and most other restrictions.

"The tree of stonks must be replenished from time to time with the blood of the innocent."

-Ayn Rand or someone, idk.

[Ethel mermania]

https://www.wyomingpublicmedia.org/post/most-health-restrictions-lifted-tuesday-including-mask-mandate#stream/0

Wyoming lifts mask mandate and most other restrictions.

"The tree of stonks must be replenished from time to time with the blood of the innocent."

-Ayn Rand or someone, idk.

Too be fair there are not a lot of people in Wyoming. Having the same mask regulations as new york city is silly.

[Kowani]

Olympics' Plan for next week

Organizers plan to exercise extreme caution when the Olympic torch relay starts next week, knowing any stumble could imperil the opening of the Tokyo Games in just over four months.

The organizers spoke in detail on Tuesday about their plans for the relay, which is scheduled to begin on March 25 from northeastern Fukushima prefecture. The relay will crisscross Japan for the next four months with 10,000 runners carrying the torch.

It’s also a symbolic curtain raiser for the postponed Olympics, and there is no room for error. If the relay stumbles — if there is an outbreak of COVID-19 — it could pull down the Olympics with it and the planned opening on July 23 at Tokyo’s new national stadium. The relay links all 47 Japanese prefectures and presents a real risk of spreading the virus, particularly with much of the organizational staff coming from Tokyo, where the COVID-19 outbreak has been most severe in Japan.

There was talk shortly after the postponement of eliminating the torch relay, which has its roots in the 1936 Berlin Olympics. But that was quickly dismissed since the relay nowadays is heavily sponsored by Coca-Cola and Toyota.

Japan has attributed about 8,600 deaths to the coronavirus, far fewer than most countries its size. But there is strong opposition to the Olympics, and much of it is due to the fear of large crowds spreading the virus.

Organizers are expected to announce in the next week if fans from abroad will be able to attend the Olympics. Unsourced reports for several weeks say those fans will be banned. However, there is strong pressure to let VIPs attend — people who obtained tickets from international federations, national Olympic committees, and sponsors.

The Olympics will feature 11,000 athletes with 4,400 more coming for the Paralympics, which open on Aug. 24. They will operate largely in a bubble, be tested regularly, and some will come with vaccinations.

Fans along the roadsides watching the relay will be asked to social distance, wear masks, and cheer quietly. They will be banned altogether from the “Grand Start” ceremony at J-Village, not far from the site 10 years ago of the earthquake, tsunami and meltdown of three nuclear reactors. Organizers warn they will stop or reroute the torch — or remove runners — if they they need to.

“This is going to be a long relay, and as we may find the necessity to change the rules of operation around the pandemic, or as the local conditions change,” said Hidemasa Nakamura, games delivery officer for the organizing committee. “Masks and quiet cheering is the standard.”

[Punished UMN]

US, UK and the European Union join forces to block the right of the Global South to manufacture and import affordable versions of the covid vaccines via an IP waiver at the WTO

- On the one-year anniversary of its declaration of a global pandemic, the World Trade Organization stayed the course Thursday and failed, again, to reach an agreement on a proposal to temporarily waive any intellectual property rights for vaccines and treatments related to COVID-19.

The latest meeting of the WTO's Council for Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights ended the same way it did in December and, before that in October, according to a Geneva trade official. The governments of the United States, the European Union and the United Kingdom, among others, objected to a popular proposal to waive provisions of the TRIPS Agreement, a global treaty governing international property rights.

The proposal would waive for WTO members certain provisions of the TRIPS Agreement for treating, containing and preventing the coronavirus, but only until widespread vaccination and immunity are achieved.

However, the group was able to agree to meet again at least twice next month to discuss the matter further, in advance of its next scheduled meeting in June.

The proposal was co-sponsored by 57 countries in the trade group and on Thursday support split largely along the lines of the WTO's self-identified developed and developing countries. According to the trade official, the only developing country to oppose the waiver was Brazil.

During the meeting Thursday, representatives for South Africa had likened the issue to the HIV and AIDS pandemic, which has claimed at least 11 million lives on the African continent in part due to lack of access to treatment, something the country said was partially the fault of pharmaceutical company practices.

According to the trade official, South Africa's representative expressed doubt over the real intentions of the developed countries' opposition to the COVID-19 deal and their stances on transferring and disseminating technology. Along with India, South Africa has been leading the charge in the IP waiver push for much of the past year.

Representatives for the U.S. welcomed further engagement with the proposal's sponsors, according to the trade official, but wished the countries would bear in mind the importance of incentives for innovation.

In the U.S. and the developed countries, advocacy groups responded to the latest inaction with outrage.

"It is disappointing that despite the majority of the world being on the side of the TRIPS Waiver, it has been blocked by a few countries once again," Katie Gallogly-Swan, a policy coordinator for a joint project between the Global Development Policy Center and the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, said in a statement to Law360. "It is time to accept that we are not on track to vaccinate the world."

She estimated that "allowing such vaccine inequality to persist" would cost the global economy over $9 trillion.

Among business groups, strident opposition to the waiver has only grown. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce last week warned the WTO's new director-general not to "distract" herself with the proposal.

On Tuesday, Stephen Ezell, a vice president at the think tank Information Technology and Innovation Foundation, said in a statement that "it would be disastrous if defective vaccines or therapeutics were produced at facilities not properly equipped to produce such complex treatments."

But in Congress, lawmakers have been urging President Joe Biden to reverse the country's opposition to the proposal, which was set by former President Donald Trump. On Wednesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., was the latest to back the TRIPS waiver.

"It is unconscionable that amid a global health crisis, huge multibillion dollar pharmaceutical companies continue to prioritize profits by protecting their monopolies and driving up prices rather than prioritizing the lives of people everywhere, including the Global South," Sanders said in a statement on Twitter.

Ah, so this is the "morally superior and democratic" west.

[Kowani]

Moderna begins trial in infants and young children

[The New California Republic]

Yup. Reports today have shown that there are actually slightly less people in the sample group (people vaccinated) developing blood clots in comparison to another sample group (consisting of those not having had the vaccine), so there isn't even correlation between vaccines and blood clots, the notion is just pure dogshit.

Reports? You got peer reviewed studies to back the assertion?

No because none have been carried out yet, but they have been tracking complications in vaccine recipients in comparison to the rest of the population, as shown by the fact that these organizations can assert as such.

Again these vaccines were approved on an emergency basis only, they are not fully tested and guaranteed as safe.

The regulators noticed something they are pausing to look at it. Sounds reasonable to me.

From what we have heard thus far it is heavily indicative of background cases, "noise" if you will, that has no link to the vaccine.

[Ethel mermania]

Reports? You got peer reviewed studies to back the assertion?

No because none have been carried out yet, but they have been tracking complications in vaccine recipients in comparison to the rest of the population, as shown by the fact that these organizations can assert as such.

Again these vaccines were approved on an emergency basis only, they are not fully tested and guaranteed as safe.

The regulators noticed something they are pausing to look at it. Sounds reasonable to me.

From what we have heard thus far it is heavily indicative of background cases, "noise" if you will, that has no link to the vaccine.

Get back to me when you have multiple peer reviewed studies saying this.

This whole thing is an emergency rush job. Which is fine, its a global emergency. Something popped up during the process and trying to separate the facts from fiction, and find out what it is which is their job of protecting their citizens. They have reports, they are pausing to investigate. Just vaccinating people while they are not sure is dangerous. The verbiage being pushed "its safer than not vaccinating", is a cop out that should be called out. Let them investigate and find out. If its safe continue, if not change course.