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Postby Kowani » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:02 pm

Thailand joins the growing line of countries suspending use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thailand on Friday joined several European nations in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine over blood clot fears, despite a range of health authorities around the world insisting it was safe.
But global hopes received a blow Thursday when Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Italy and Romania postponed or limited the rollout of their quota of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines after isolated reports of recipients developing blood clots.

Thailand followed suit on Friday.

Health regulators stressed there was no evidence of any link, but they were acting out of an abundance of caution.

Australia, Mexico and the Philippines said they would continue their rollouts as they had found no reason to alter course. Canada said there was no evidence the jab causes adverse reactions.

Thailand's decision led to the embarrassing spectacle of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha abruptly cancelling his own televised jab.

"Vaccine injection for Thais must be safe, we do not have to be in a hurry," said Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, an adviser for the country's COVID-19 vaccine committee.


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Postby North Washington Republic » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:51 pm

Kowani wrote:Thailand joins the growing line of countries suspending use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thailand on Friday joined several European nations in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine over blood clot fears, despite a range of health authorities around the world insisting it was safe.
But global hopes received a blow Thursday when Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Italy and Romania postponed or limited the rollout of their quota of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines after isolated reports of recipients developing blood clots.

Thailand followed suit on Friday.

Health regulators stressed there was no evidence of any link, but they were acting out of an abundance of caution.

Australia, Mexico and the Philippines said they would continue their rollouts as they had found no reason to alter course. Canada said there was no evidence the jab causes adverse reactions.

Thailand's decision led to the embarrassing spectacle of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha abruptly cancelling his own televised jab.

"Vaccine injection for Thais must be safe, we do not have to be in a hurry," said Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, an adviser for the country's COVID-19 vaccine committee.


It's followed by Spain


The reports about the AstraZeneca vaccine causing blood clots is not good. People are going to use this to spread disinformation about the other vaccines.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:58 pm

North Washington Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:Thailand joins the growing line of countries suspending use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thailand on Friday joined several European nations in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine over blood clot fears, despite a range of health authorities around the world insisting it was safe.
But global hopes received a blow Thursday when Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Italy and Romania postponed or limited the rollout of their quota of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines after isolated reports of recipients developing blood clots.

Thailand followed suit on Friday.

Health regulators stressed there was no evidence of any link, but they were acting out of an abundance of caution.

Australia, Mexico and the Philippines said they would continue their rollouts as they had found no reason to alter course. Canada said there was no evidence the jab causes adverse reactions.

Thailand's decision led to the embarrassing spectacle of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha abruptly cancelling his own televised jab.

"Vaccine injection for Thais must be safe, we do not have to be in a hurry," said Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, an adviser for the country's COVID-19 vaccine committee.


It's followed by Spain


The reports about the AstraZeneca vaccine causing blood clots is not good. People are going to use this to spread disinformation about the other vaccines.

Coming from a country that as of now has either that or the Chinese Coof Shots (the Philippines), this will fuel anti-vaxxers' misinformation drives.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:47 pm

Kowani wrote:Thailand joins the growing line of countries suspending use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thailand on Friday joined several European nations in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine over blood clot fears, despite a range of health authorities around the world insisting it was safe.
But global hopes received a blow Thursday when Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Italy and Romania postponed or limited the rollout of their quota of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines after isolated reports of recipients developing blood clots.

Thailand followed suit on Friday.

Health regulators stressed there was no evidence of any link, but they were acting out of an abundance of caution.

Australia, Mexico and the Philippines said they would continue their rollouts as they had found no reason to alter course. Canada said there was no evidence the jab causes adverse reactions.

Thailand's decision led to the embarrassing spectacle of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha abruptly cancelling his own televised jab.

"Vaccine injection for Thais must be safe, we do not have to be in a hurry," said Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, an adviser for the country's COVID-19 vaccine committee.


It's followed by Spain

Is there any evidence whatsoever it was caused by the vaccine? I do agree with others this is going to fuel the anti vax movement and is likely a bad course of action to take.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:58 pm

Thai PM gets first shot of AstraZeneca vaccine after safety scare

Thailand has officially resumed using AstraZeneca as of this morning.

Unthinkable? EU considers getting a vaccine boost from Russia's Sputnik

Sputnik V is actually proven to be effective unlike freaking Sinovac. I can tolerate being inoculated with Sputnik V despite its unsavory geopolitical origins.
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Wuhan coronavirus is racist but Japanese encephalitis is A-OK. The CCP has nothing to do with this double standard whatsoever. Nothing to see here.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:06 pm

https://abc7ny.com/10421074/?ex_cid=TA_ ... xhnscYsNFg

A woman in Florida is believed to be the first to give birth to a baby with COVID antibodies.

The Boca Raton woman received a single dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.

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Postby Nilokeras » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:28 am

Bringing this bit in from the Myanmar thread since it's more relevant here:

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:What Americans and Europeans used to do a century ago, China is doing today, and it's sickening that the CCP is now emulating the old, racist, white supremacist West at its absolute worst while hiding behind its CeNtUrY oF HuMiLiAtIoN and its "but we're the victims of racist Sinophobia, you can't say China virus but Japanese encephalitis is totally a-ok, poor us" card.


As has been pointed out to you over and over, calling the virus 'Japanese encephalitis virus' is just as misleading and unhelpful as calling the novel coronavirus the 'China virus' because of maps like this, which show the virus is endemic to vast swathes of tropical and temperate Asia and Australasia and has been more or less wiped out from Japan due to widespread immunization campaigns in that country. Hence why the WHO put out guidelines years ago strongly warning against geographic names for viruses or other diseases. It really is very simple. I know at this point given the ever increasing length and spittle density of your posts you probably don't care much for how this makes you look but this bit in particular is a particularly unhinged take that does you no favours.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:42 am

Nilokeras wrote:Bringing this bit in from the Myanmar thread since it's more relevant here:

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:What Americans and Europeans used to do a century ago, China is doing today, and it's sickening that the CCP is now emulating the old, racist, white supremacist West at its absolute worst while hiding behind its CeNtUrY oF HuMiLiAtIoN and its "but we're the victims of racist Sinophobia, you can't say China virus but Japanese encephalitis is totally a-ok, poor us" card.


As has been pointed out to you over and over, calling the virus 'Japanese encephalitis virus' is just as misleading and unhelpful as calling the novel coronavirus the 'China virus' because of maps like this, which show the virus is endemic to vast swathes of tropical and temperate Asia and Australasia and has been more or less wiped out from Japan due to widespread immunization campaigns in that country. Hence why the WHO put out guidelines years ago strongly warning against geographic names for viruses or other diseases. It really is very simple. I know at this point given the ever increasing length and spittle density of your posts you probably don't care much for how this makes you look but this bit in particular is a particularly unhinged take that does you no favours.


WHO fact sheet on Japanese encephalitis

CDC fact sheet

Interesting how I'm the one with an "unhinged take" when the WHO doesn't even follow its own fucking guidelines. Keep ignoring facts, shilling for totalitarian regimes, and betraying Third World peoples around the world like you leftists always do and have been doing for years and years. If you want to know what I really think about people like you, kindly pop over to the Syrian Civil War thread and get off your moral high horse.

I'm adding the WHO link to my sig just to remind people like you of just how wrong you are. Thank you very much for your timely "feedback". /s
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:17 am

San Lumen wrote:https://abc7ny.com/10421074/?ex_cid=TA_WABC_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3pOwo4TsY7_k8pOSqkI_Lk0G5hFpLthtjzQutSiHvHXFQzGxhnscYsNFg

A woman in Florida is believed to be the first to give birth to a baby with COVID antibodies.

The Boca Raton woman received a single dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine.


Damn, that's based as fuck.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:23 am

North Washington Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:Thailand joins the growing line of countries suspending use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thailand on Friday joined several European nations in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine over blood clot fears, despite a range of health authorities around the world insisting it was safe.
But global hopes received a blow Thursday when Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Italy and Romania postponed or limited the rollout of their quota of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines after isolated reports of recipients developing blood clots.

Thailand followed suit on Friday.

Health regulators stressed there was no evidence of any link, but they were acting out of an abundance of caution.

Australia, Mexico and the Philippines said they would continue their rollouts as they had found no reason to alter course. Canada said there was no evidence the jab causes adverse reactions.

Thailand's decision led to the embarrassing spectacle of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha abruptly cancelling his own televised jab.

"Vaccine injection for Thais must be safe, we do not have to be in a hurry," said Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, an adviser for the country's COVID-19 vaccine committee.


It's followed by Spain


The reports about the AstraZeneca vaccine causing blood clots is not good. People are going to use this to spread disinformation about the other vaccines.


So we should kill the story even though folks appear to be dying from the shot?
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:26 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
The reports about the AstraZeneca vaccine causing blood clots is not good. People are going to use this to spread disinformation about the other vaccines.


So we should kill the story even though folks appear to be dying from the shot?


They've already disproven that the vaccine causes blood clots. Your risk for bloodclots is actually technically lower if you get the shot, not higher.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:32 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
So we should kill the story even though folks appear to be dying from the shot?


They've already disproven that the vaccine causes blood clots. Your risk for bloodclots is actually technically lower if you get the shot, not higher.

The symptoms just appeared, and it's been disproven already? I find that very hard to believe
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Postby Picairn » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:36 am

Ethel mermania wrote:The symptoms just appeared, and it's been disproven already? I find that very hard to believe

Investigations are underway, but so far no evidence has been dug up, yet. So let's not jump to conclusions.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:39 am

Picairn wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:The symptoms just appeared, and it's been disproven already? I find that very hard to believe

Investigations are underway, but so far no evidence has been dug up, yet. So let's not jump to conclusions.

That's my point, they don't know, to claim otherwise ( and I don't mean Rojava here, he is stating what he has read), is a lie.

The vaccine has never been sanctioned as safe. It has not been fully tested, it has been approved for emergency use only
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Postby Andsed » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:44 am

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Andsed wrote:Its honestly shocking to see the US having one of the quickest vaccine roll out at the moment.


Not really shocking. You currently have a competent President and the biggest economy in the world.

True, but like it still feels strange to not see the US response not being a total fuck up.
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Andsed wrote:Its honestly shocking to see the US having one of the quickest vaccine roll out at the moment.


Not really shocking. You currently have a competent President and the biggest economy in the world.


I just wasn't expecting Biden to de-Trump the process so quickly.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:WHO fact sheet on Japanese encephalitis

CDC fact sheet

Interesting how I'm the one with an "unhinged take" when the WHO doesn't even follow its own fucking guidelines. Keep ignoring facts, shilling for totalitarian regimes, and betraying Third World peoples around the world like you leftists always do and have been doing for years and years. If you want to know what I really think about people like you, kindly pop over to the Syrian Civil War thread and get off your moral high horse.

I'm adding the WHO link to my sig just to remind people like you of just how wrong you are. Thank you very much for your timely "feedback". /s

The 2015 WHO guidelines on naming diseases discouraged countries from naming diseases after geographical locations, Japanese encephalitis included. https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/han ... .1_eng.pdf

The name assigned to a new human disease by WHO or other parties following the present best practices may or may not be confirmed by the International Classification of Diseases (ICD1) at a later stage. The ICD, managed by WHO and endorsed by its Member States, provides a final standard name for each human disease according to standard guidelines that are also aimed at reducing negative impact from names while balancing science, communication, and policy. Thus, the best practices are not intended to replace or interfere with the existing ICD system, but span the gap between identification of a new human disease event and assigning of a final name by ICD. Further, WHO recognizes that existing international systems and bodies are responsible for taxonomy and nomenclature of pathogens, which are not directly affected by these best practices.

The WHO essentially acknowledged that 1) The pre-guideline existing names which have entered common usage will be unchanged, like MERS or Lyme disease, and 2) The power of naming diseases ultimately rests with the countries. In fact, the guidelines only applies to new diseases that have not been seen before in human history.

Scope of disease naming
The present best practices apply to a new disease:
• That is an infection, syndrome, or disease of humans;
• That has never been recognized before in humans;
• That has potential public health impact; and
• Where no disease name is yet established in common usage


So this isn't really a matter of double standard, but more of a "Ok, you nations can keep the old disease names for familiarity, while we will dictate the new ones, caused by new diseases". That's why they kept Japanese encephalitis, but created COVID-19.
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Postby Post War America » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:57 am

Kowani wrote:Thailand joins the growing line of countries suspending use of the AstraZeneca vaccine

Thailand on Friday joined several European nations in suspending the AstraZeneca vaccine over blood clot fears, despite a range of health authorities around the world insisting it was safe.
But global hopes received a blow Thursday when Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Italy and Romania postponed or limited the rollout of their quota of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines after isolated reports of recipients developing blood clots.

Thailand followed suit on Friday.

Health regulators stressed there was no evidence of any link, but they were acting out of an abundance of caution.

Australia, Mexico and the Philippines said they would continue their rollouts as they had found no reason to alter course. Canada said there was no evidence the jab causes adverse reactions.

Thailand's decision led to the embarrassing spectacle of Prime Minister Prayut Chan-O-Cha abruptly cancelling his own televised jab.

"Vaccine injection for Thais must be safe, we do not have to be in a hurry," said Piyasakol Sakolsatayadorn, an adviser for the country's COVID-19 vaccine committee.


It's followed by Spain


Welp, I'm hoping neither of those countries decides to follow this up with shutting down their borders again. I'd like to be able to work where I can afford the cost of living for once.
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Just wait till there's a mutant strain one day and the vaccine costs too much.

I sure love living in a country that borders Brazil, the birthplace of two mutant strains!

The good news is Pfizer opened up their double blind on me and confirmed that I did, in fact, get the real vaccine last year.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:37 am

Picairn wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:WHO fact sheet on Japanese encephalitis

CDC fact sheet

Interesting how I'm the one with an "unhinged take" when the WHO doesn't even follow its own fucking guidelines. Keep ignoring facts, shilling for totalitarian regimes, and betraying Third World peoples around the world like you leftists always do and have been doing for years and years. If you want to know what I really think about people like you, kindly pop over to the Syrian Civil War thread and get off your moral high horse.

I'm adding the WHO link to my sig just to remind people like you of just how wrong you are. Thank you very much for your timely "feedback". /s

The 2015 WHO guidelines on naming diseases discouraged countries from naming diseases after geographical locations, Japanese encephalitis included. https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/han ... .1_eng.pdf

The name assigned to a new human disease by WHO or other parties following the present best practices may or may not be confirmed by the International Classification of Diseases (ICD1) at a later stage. The ICD, managed by WHO and endorsed by its Member States, provides a final standard name for each human disease according to standard guidelines that are also aimed at reducing negative impact from names while balancing science, communication, and policy. Thus, the best practices are not intended to replace or interfere with the existing ICD system, but span the gap between identification of a new human disease event and assigning of a final name by ICD. Further, WHO recognizes that existing international systems and bodies are responsible for taxonomy and nomenclature of pathogens, which are not directly affected by these best practices.

The WHO essentially acknowledged that 1) The pre-guideline existing names which have entered common usage will be unchanged, like MERS or Lyme disease, and 2) The power of naming diseases ultimately rests with the countries. In fact, the guidelines only applies to new diseases that have not been seen before in human history.

Scope of disease naming
The present best practices apply to a new disease:
• That is an infection, syndrome, or disease of humans;
• That has never been recognized before in humans;
• That has potential public health impact; and
• Where no disease name is yet established in common usage


So this isn't really a matter of double standard, but more of a "Ok, you nations can keep the old disease names for familiarity, while we will dictate the new ones, caused by new diseases". That's why they kept Japanese encephalitis, but created COVID-19.

So while I can't call it the china virus, I can say south African, UK, or NYC variant.....

Yeah once again the WHO is full of shit. I would trust Pete Townsend before I would trust tederos on any decision.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:59 am

Ethel mermania wrote:So while I can't call it the china virus, I can say south African, UK, or NYC variant.....

Yeah once again the WHO is full of shit. I would trust Pete Townsend before I would trust tederos on any decision.

Well yeah, the WHO is not a world government that can dictate what countries and their citizens can say. I'm sure many nationalist countries will whine and bitch about it until the end times.

Edit: Yeah you can attach geographical locations to the variants without repercussions too, after all, this is a guideline, not a law.
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Postby Nilokeras » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:54 am

Ethel mermania wrote:So while I can't call it the china virus, I can say south African, UK, or NYC variant.....


You mean variant P.1, variant B.1.351 and variant B.1.1.7, which are the lineage names most commonly used in the literature to describe them and not their geographic names?

Again this is just a really weak attempt at a slam dunk since it's proving the WHOs point about the prevalence and usage of geographic shorthands.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:00 am

Picairn wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:So while I can't call it the china virus, I can say south African, UK, or NYC variant.....

Yeah once again the WHO is full of shit. I would trust Pete Townsend before I would trust tederos on any decision.

Well yeah, the WHO is not a world government that can dictate what countries and their citizens can say. I'm sure many nationalist countries will whine and bitch about it until the end times.

Edit: Yeah you can attach geographical locations to the variants without repercussions too, after all, this is a guideline, not a law.

If I say china, thats racist. If I say south African, it isn't.
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