Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[Theberstan]

I saw a nice old lady try to ask someone to pull their mask over their nose only to be verbally berated, ending with the classic remark, "Mind your fucking business." Had a Trump mask of course. This is why America is riddled with disease and in decline. I feel no sympathy for the "patriots" railing against the virus like some political stunt whilst complaining about the economy and personal liberties being taken away. America has brought this ruin on ourselves.

Many more are to blame. If the border were just closed...

[Rusozak]

I saw a nice old lady try to ask someone to pull their mask over their nose only to be verbally berated, ending with the classic remark, "Mind your fucking business." Had a Trump mask of course. This is why America is riddled with disease and in decline. I feel no sympathy for the "patriots" railing against the virus like some political stunt whilst complaining about the economy and personal liberties being taken away. America has brought this ruin on ourselves.

Many more are too blame. If the boarders were just closed...

Props to you for digging up a post from September.

[San Lumen]

I saw a nice old lady try to ask someone to pull their mask over their nose only to be verbally berated, ending with the classic remark, "Mind your fucking business." Had a Trump mask of course. This is why America is riddled with disease and in decline. I feel no sympathy for the "patriots" railing against the virus like some political stunt whilst complaining about the economy and personal liberties being taken away. America has brought this ruin on ourselves.

Many more are too blame. If the boarders were just closed...

And what would you do if you were governor or executive of your country?

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Many more are too blame. If the boarders were just closed...

And what would you do if you were governor or executive of your country?

I would have a panic attack.

[Theberstan]

Many more are too blame. If the boarders were just closed...

And what would you do if you were governor or executive of your country?

Close the boarders of course. Simple as that, crisis averted.

[Vetalia]

Fauci already said he did not agree with stopping flights from the UK.

Dr. Fauci is right, and I think at this point it simply doesn't matter anyways...why are these countries playing games with shutting down borders and travel with worldwide spread and evolution going on? It makes absolutely no sense and accomplishes nothing aside from making life more miserable.

Honestly, we're probably at the capitulation point where it just makes sense to give up and let the virus run its course. Keep shipping the vaccines to those who want them but otherwise just end all of these lockdowns and mask mandates and other nonsense.

[The Three Palins]

I saw a nice old lady try to ask someone to pull their mask over their nose only to be verbally berated, ending with the classic remark, "Mind your fucking business." Had a Trump mask of course. This is why America is riddled with disease and in decline. I feel no sympathy for the "patriots" railing against the virus like some political stunt whilst complaining about the economy and personal liberties being taken away. America has brought this ruin on ourselves.

Many more are too blame. If the boarders were just closed...

to not too, and borders not boarders

Is it the national border you want closed, or state borders?

[San Lumen]

And what would you do if you were governor or executive of your country?

Close the boarders of course. Simple as that, crisis averted.

We tried that. Didn't work out so great and shutting down global air travel indefinitely would have a massive economic effect. Its not something you can just dismiss either.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Fauci already said he did not agree with stopping flights from the UK.

Dr. Fauci is right, and I think at this point it simply doesn't matter anyways...why are these countries playing games with shutting down borders and travel with worldwide spread and evolution going on? It makes absolutely no sense and accomplishes nothing aside from making life more miserable.

Honestly, we're probably at the capitulation point where it just makes sense to give up and let the virus run its course. Keep shipping the vaccines to those who want them but otherwise just end all of these lockdowns and mask mandates and other nonsense.

Oh my God, I love you.

But international travel is definitely not the most prudent idea right now.

[Theberstan]

Close the boarders of course. Simple as that, crisis averted.

We tried that. Didn't work out so great and shutting down global air travel indefinitely would have a massive economic effect. Its not something you can just dismiss either.

To go into specifics, just the travel of normal people.

[San Lumen]

We tried that. Didn't work out so great and shutting down global air travel indefinitely would have a massive economic effect. Its not something you can just dismiss either.

To go into specifics, just travel of normal people.

What do you mean by normal people and what specifically would you do?

[Theberstan]

To go into specifics, just travel of normal people.

What do you mean by normal people and what specifically would you do?

Just normal travel, travel that’s not business related. Travel that is business related however would be closely monitored. But the problem was that much was yet known about it so not much could probably be done on the monitoring part.

[San Lumen]

Fauci already said he did not agree with stopping flights from the UK.

Dr. Fauci is right, and I think at this point it simply doesn't matter anyways...why are these countries playing games with shutting down borders and travel with worldwide spread and evolution going on? It makes absolutely no sense and accomplishes nothing aside from making life more miserable.

Honestly, we're probably at the capitulation point where it just makes sense to give up and let the virus run its course. Keep shipping the vaccines to those who want them but otherwise just end all of these lockdowns and mask mandates and other nonsense.

I dont see our leaders doing that. They just keep moving the goalposts.

What do you mean by normal people and what specifically would you do?

Just normal travel, travel that’s not business related. Travel that is business related however would be closely monitored. But the problem was that much was yet known about it so not much could probably be done on the monitoring part.

I did see how you can distinguish between the two nor how something like that would be enforceable.

[The Three Palins]

Fauci already said he did not agree with stopping flights from the UK.

Dr. Fauci is right, and I think at this point it simply doesn't matter anyways...why are these countries playing games with shutting down borders and travel with worldwide spread and evolution going on?

Heritable characteristics are essential to the concept of evolution.

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.

It makes absolutely no sense and accomplishes nothing aside from making life more miserable.

For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.

Honestly, we're probably at the capitulation point where it just makes sense to give up and let the virus run its course. Keep shipping the vaccines to those who want them but otherwise just end all of these lockdowns and mask mandates and other nonsense.

Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

[San Lumen]

Dr. Fauci is right, and I think at this point it simply doesn't matter anyways...why are these countries playing games with shutting down borders and travel with worldwide spread and evolution going on?

Heritable characteristics are essential to the concept of evolution.

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.

It makes absolutely no sense and accomplishes nothing aside from making life more miserable.

For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.

Honestly, we're probably at the capitulation point where it just makes sense to give up and let the virus run its course. Keep shipping the vaccines to those who want them but otherwise just end all of these lockdowns and mask mandates and other nonsense.

Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

viruses dont mutate to become deadlier.

[Vetalia]

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.

Do you seriously think this was detected in real time, i.e. the moment is was detected? It could have been around for months especially in the parts of the world that aren't closely monitoring evolution of the various COVID strains? By the time it was found, it's probably worldwide by now.

For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.

Tiny minority? Try thousands, hell millions of international shipments between countries on a regular basis.

Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

Actually, Texas and Florida are doing just what I recommended in May and they're doing just fine even with Florida being "God's waiting room" for the elderly. I wish we had the common sense that they did to lift the restrictions in their entirety and throw out the masks. I'm planning to stop wearing mine as soon as possible.

No lockdowns there anymore and never again, and their outcomes are no different from the "lockdown" states. Fact is, the virus is going to spread whether you like it or not so we might as well get rid of the COVID theater and let it rip.

[Vetalia]

Heritable characteristics are essential to the concept of evolution.

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.



For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.



Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

viruses dont mutate to become deadlier.

They do if you provide artificial selection pressure via lockdowns that result in only the strains that produce hospitalization spreading.

Let'r rip! I hope we have millions more cases of community spread without any restrictions as this is the only way this will end. At a 99.7 percent survival rate this isn't the Black Death, it's a bad flu pandemic at worst.

[San Lumen]

viruses dont mutate to become deadlier.

They do if you provide artificial selection pressure via lockdowns that result in only the strains that produce hospitalization spreading.

Let'r rip! I hope we have millions more cases of community spread without any restrictions as this is the only way this will end.

Really is that so? Why arent; the expert saying that then?

I dont see our leaders adopting such a policy. They just keep moving the goalposts.

[Vetalia]

They do if you provide artificial selection pressure via lockdowns that result in only the strains that produce hospitalization spreading.

Let'r rip! I hope we have millions more cases of community spread without any restrictions as this is the only way this will end.

Really is that so? Why arent; the expert saying that then?

I dont see our leaders adopting such a policy. They just keep moving the goalposts.

Nothing about their actions during this pandemic has anything to do with controlling the spread of the disease.

[The Three Palins]

Heritable characteristics are essential to the concept of evolution.

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.



For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.



Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

viruses dont mutate to become deadlier.

You're wrong, and if picking what you think is a mistake out of my post is your idea of a contribution, how about waiting for Vetalia to reply before butting in?

[San Lumen]

Really is that so? Why arent; the expert saying that then?

I dont see our leaders adopting such a policy. They just keep moving the goalposts.

Nothing about their actions during this pandemic has anything to do with controlling the spread of the disease.

I wish all governors were like yours. He's been doing it right.

[Theberstan]

Heritable characteristics are essential to the concept of evolution.

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.



For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.



Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

viruses dont mutate to become deadlier.

Exactly, it only happens by chance.

[San Lumen]

viruses dont mutate to become deadlier.

Exactly, it only happens by chance.

Its also very rare if anything they mutate to become less deadly. Its how the common cold became the King of all Viruses. a fatality rate of nil unless in very specific circumstances and its made itself incurable and unavaccinable.

[The Three Palins]

Say a mutation creates a strain which is far more fatal. It's discovered in several different countries. But it can only have originated in one of those countries.

Oops. The "point" as you call it, was to contain the new strain as narrowly as possible. But leaders following your advice to just no worry about that, got the point way too late.

Do you seriously think this was detected in real time, i.e. the moment is was detected? It could have been around for months especially in the parts of the world that aren't closely monitoring evolution of the various COVID strains? By the time it was found, it's probably worldwide by now.

Which it wouldn't be, if the country it originated in had already closed it's borders hard. Was my point.

It's not going to be distinguishable right away, in fact tests that can distinguish it from former strains take weeks to develop.

So you stop travellers taking an new strain out of the country, by stopping them from taking ANY strain out of the country.

It's not necessary to stop all travel. But a 2 week quarantine requirement (which can be served at either end, but not half at each because of exposure to other travellers) discourages most wannabe travellers.

Need to visit your dying gran? Bear in mind that you'll have to do 2 weeks quarantine in her country after she dies (no going to the funeral) and strict precautions while physically visiting her. Zoom seems like a better option but you make your own choices.

For the tiny minority whose quality of life relies on international travel? Tough shit for them, everyone makes sacrifices and those people, who are likely professionals doing it comparatively easy so far, should not get a pass to endanger whole countries.

Tiny minority? Try thousands, hell millions of international shipments between countries on a regular basis.

Now we're talking about packages not people? You're confused.

Haven't you been for "just give up and let the virus run its course" since May or so?

Luckily no-one is following your advice. It's still 2020, the year of hell, and if Todd from Marketing doesn't get to spend Christmas with family back in the old country, then Todd can fucking lump it.

Actually, Texas and Florida are doing just what I recommended in May and they're doing just fine even with Florida being "God's waiting room" for the elderly. I wish we had the common sense that they did to lift the restrictions in their entirety and throw out the masks. I'm planning to stop wearing mine as soon as possible.

Now we're talking about states not countries? You're getting even more confused.

No lockdowns there anymore and never again, and their outcomes are no different from the "lockdown" states. Fact is, the virus is going to spread whether you like it or not so we might as well get rid of the COVID theater and let it rip.

In your first-world hellhole if you want. Don't expect that New Zealand is going to play your silly "we should give up because we already gave up and it's working out fine" game.

Not just the US of course, but most developed countries have handled the virus appallingly. The COUNTRIES have, not just their governments. Asia is laughing at you now, and about the only way you could go worse is for government itself to collapse, utterly discouraged by attempts to influence citizenry that doesn't know what's good for it ... and doesn't care.

[San Lumen]

Do you seriously think this was detected in real time, i.e. the moment is was detected? It could have been around for months especially in the parts of the world that aren't closely monitoring evolution of the various COVID strains? By the time it was found, it's probably worldwide by now.

Which it wouldn't be, if the country it originated in had already closed it's borders hard. Was my point.

It's not going to be distinguishable right away, in fact tests that can distinguish it from former strains take weeks to develop.

So you stop travellers taking an new strain out of the country, by stopping them from taking ANY strain out of the country.

It's not necessary to stop all travel. But a 2 week quarantine requirement (which can be served at either end, but not half at each because of exposure to other travellers) discourages most wannabe travellers.

Need to visit your dying gran? Bear in mind that you'll have to do 2 weeks quarantine in her country after she dies (no going to the funeral) and strict precautions while physically visiting her. Zoom seems like a better option but you make your own choices.

Tiny minority? Try thousands, hell millions of international shipments between countries on a regular basis.

Now we're talking about packages not people? You're confused.

Actually, Texas and Florida are doing just what I recommended in May and they're doing just fine even with Florida being "God's waiting room" for the elderly. I wish we had the common sense that they did to lift the restrictions in their entirety and throw out the masks. I'm planning to stop wearing mine as soon as possible.

Now we're talking about states not countries? You're getting even more confused.

No lockdowns there anymore and never again, and their outcomes are no different from the "lockdown" states. Fact is, the virus is going to spread whether you like it or not so we might as well get rid of the COVID theater and let it rip.

In your first-world hellhole if you want. Don't expect that New Zealand is going to play your silly "we should give up because we already gave up and it's working out fine" game.

Not just the US of course, but most developed countries have handled the virus appallingly. The COUNTRIES have, not just their governments. Asia is laughing at you now, and about the only way you could go worse is for government itself to collapse, utterly discouraged by attempts to influence citizenry that doesn't know what's good for it ... and doesn't care.

What do you suggest close all international borders indefinitely and have a indefinite lockdown while the wealthy enrich themselves and the peasants are told to eat cake while they lose their livelihoods and struggle to pay their rent or feet their children?