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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:38 am

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San Lumen wrote:What time of impacts? Masks won’t be mandatory henceforth. I don’t think anyone wants a faceless, emotionless world.

I'm not sure. Years or decades, I would say.

I think you'll see sporadic mask wearing in the West moving forward. It was commonly seen in East Asia before this started. I think it's a good idea if you're feeling sick, even if it's something influenza.


I meant to say what kind of impacts.

sporadic yes but I highly doubt it will be mandatory for all.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:49 am

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San Lumen wrote:What time of impacts? Masks won’t be mandatory henceforth. I don’t think anyone wants a faceless, emotionless world.

I'm not sure. Years or decades, I would say.

I think you'll see sporadic mask wearing in the West moving forward. It was commonly seen in East Asia before this started. I think it's a good idea if you're feeling sick, even if it's something like influenza.

As I mentioned earlier my medic expects a lesser cold and flu season due to the mask wearing.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:49 am

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Ifreann wrote:Doesn't sound very plausible.


Why ? China has extensive tracking of people already in place. Where other countries need to convince people to install apps on their phones and willingly participate in contact-research China only needs to push a button to get the data.

Because the 'rona can take weeks to show symptoms. I don't think that the Chinese government's surveillance systems are so effective that they can go back in time to stop people from leaving the country two weeks before they knew that there was a virus to stop. What was the Chinese government going to do about the people who had contracted the virus in Wuhan and then left China?
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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:55 am

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:I'm not sure. Years or decades, I would say.

I think you'll see sporadic mask wearing in the West moving forward. It was commonly seen in East Asia before this started. I think it's a good idea if you're feeling sick, even if it's something influenza.


I meant to say what kind of impacts.

sporadic yes but I highly doubt it will be mandatory for all.


It is rarely mandatory in East Asia.

Its a cultural thing to just wear a mask if there's a virus floating around, or in some cases if the air quality is note-worthily shitty on a particular day.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:57 am

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San Lumen wrote:
I meant to say what kind of impacts.

sporadic yes but I highly doubt it will be mandatory for all.


It is rarely mandatory in East Asia.

Its a cultural thing to just wear a mask if there's a virus floating around, or in some cases if the air quality is note-worthily shitty on a particular day.

cultural thing but not mandatory. That was my point. Its not going to be mandatory for everyone henceforth.

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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:59 am

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It is rarely mandatory in East Asia.

Its a cultural thing to just wear a mask if there's a virus floating around, or in some cases if the air quality is note-worthily shitty on a particular day.

cultural thing but not mandatory. That was my point. Its not going to be mandatory for everyone henceforth.


I don't know where you got the notion that permanent mask orders were ever going to be mandated. Other than maybe some hysterics about things not going back to "normal" quickly enough.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:59 am

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:cultural thing but not mandatory. That was my point. Its not going to be mandatory for everyone henceforth.


I don't know where you got the notion that permanent mask orders were ever going to be mandated. Other than maybe some hysterics about things not going back to "normal" quickly enough.


I've heard some speculation it will be and some friends of mine suggested it should be.

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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
I don't know where you got the notion that permanent mask orders were ever going to be mandated. Other than maybe some hysterics about things not going back to "normal" quickly enough.


I've heard some speculation it will be and some friends of mine suggested it should be.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:05 am

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San Lumen wrote:
I've heard some speculation it will be and some friends of mine suggested it should be.

Ah, doomer friends, got to love them.


Oh this we can agree. I consider myself a pessimist sometimes but on occasion doomer people get too much even for me. Mandatory masks permanently will not be a thing.

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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:12 am

San Lumen wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Ah, doomer friends, got to love them.


Oh this we can agree. I consider myself a pessimist sometimes but on occasion doomer people get too much even for me. Mandatory masks permanently will not be a thing.

I suspect even for the democrats (who want to institute a federal mask mandate) permanent masks would be political suicide.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 am

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
I don't know where you got the notion that permanent mask orders were ever going to be mandated. Other than maybe some hysterics about things not going back to "normal" quickly enough.


I've heard some speculation it will be and some friends of mine suggested it should be.


That's a dumb idea ngl. I can understand the utility of mask orders in certain crises (the late unpleasantness being a prime example), but your friends need some bloody chill. I'm hoping that if people realize that mask wearing isn't literally Stalinism, maybe they'll do so voluntarily during flu season and the like.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:14 am

CoraSpia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Oh this we can agree. I consider myself a pessimist sometimes but on occasion doomer people get too much even for me. Mandatory masks permanently will not be a thing.

I suspect even for the democrats (who want to institute a federal mask mandate) permanent masks would be political suicide.


Because they don't want permanent masks wtf. Nobody does, we just have to keep wearing masks while COVID continues to ravage us.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:14 am

CoraSpia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Oh this we can agree. I consider myself a pessimist sometimes but on occasion doomer people get too much even for me. Mandatory masks permanently will not be a thing.

I suspect even for the democrats (who want to institute a federal mask mandate) permanent masks would be political suicide.


Biden himself said the President doesnt have the authority to institute one as that would be making law and the executive can't do that.

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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:I'm not sure. Years or decades, I would say.

I think you'll see sporadic mask wearing in the West moving forward. It was commonly seen in East Asia before this started. I think it's a good idea if you're feeling sick, even if it's something influenza.


I meant to say what kind of impacts.

sporadic yes but I highly doubt it will be mandatory for all.

Remote work will certainly become more common and accepted. Many trans-Atlantic business travellers will be more inclined to hold their meetings over Zoom or what have you. That's a big deal for the airline industry. Take a look at what's currently happening to New York City's real estate market. Why live in the city if you can work remotely? Trends like that will make Internet access in rural and impoverished areas more critical.

People will become more focused on public hygiene. That has knock-on effects on lots of social activities like dining, sports, entertainment and so on. It's not going to be as extreme as it is now, but attitudes about a lot of things will change.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:51 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I meant to say what kind of impacts.

sporadic yes but I highly doubt it will be mandatory for all.

Remote work will certainly become more common and accepted. Many trans-Atlantic business travellers will be more inclined to hold their meetings over Zoom or what have you. That's a big deal for the airline industry. Take a look at what's currently happening to New York City's real estate market. Why live in the city if you can work remotely? Trends like that will make Internet access in rural and impoverished areas more critical.

People will become more focused on public hygeine. That has knock-on effects on lots of social activities like dining, sports, entertainment and so on. It's not going to be as extreme as it is now, but attitudes about a lot of things will change.

More common yes. The majority? No

Better hygiene is not a bad thing in the slightest.

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Postby Rusozak » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Remote work will certainly become more common and accepted. Many trans-Atlantic business travellers will be more inclined to hold their meetings over Zoom or what have you. That's a big deal for the airline industry. Take a look at what's currently happening to New York City's real estate market. Why live in the city if you can work remotely? Trends like that will make Internet access in rural and impoverished areas more critical.

People will become more focused on public hygeine. That has knock-on effects on lots of social activities like dining, sports, entertainment and so on. It's not going to be as extreme as it is now, but attitudes about a lot of things will change.

More common yes. The majority? No

Better hygiene is not a bad thing in the slightest.


If there is one positive lasting effect of the pandemic I would hope it would be a general increase in attentiveness to hygiene.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:54 am

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I meant to say what kind of impacts.

sporadic yes but I highly doubt it will be mandatory for all.

Remote work will certainly become more common and accepted. Many trans-Atlantic business travellers will be more inclined to hold their meetings over Zoom or what have you. That's a big deal for the airline industry. Take a look at what's currently happening to New York City's real estate market. Why live in the city if you can work remotely? Trends like that will make Internet access in rural and impoverished areas more critical.

People will become more focused on public hygeine. That has knock-on effects on lots of social activities like dining, sports, entertainment and so on. It's not going to be as extreme as it is now, but attitudes about a lot of things will change.

grandma was a fanatic about hand washing, its only this year that I realized that may be because she lived through the 1918 pandemic
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:04 am

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Remote work will certainly become more common and accepted. Many trans-Atlantic business travellers will be more inclined to hold their meetings over Zoom or what have you. That's a big deal for the airline industry. Take a look at what's currently happening to New York City's real estate market. Why live in the city if you can work remotely? Trends like that will make Internet access in rural and impoverished areas more critical.

People will become more focused on public hygeine. That has knock-on effects on lots of social activities like dining, sports, entertainment and so on. It's not going to be as extreme as it is now, but attitudes about a lot of things will change.

More common yes. The majority? No

Better hygiene is not a bad thing in the slightest.

Certainly not the majority, yeah. Maybe in some white collar knowledge-based businesses.

Yeah, better hygiene is a good change.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Remote work will certainly become more common and accepted. Many trans-Atlantic business travellers will be more inclined to hold their meetings over Zoom or what have you. That's a big deal for the airline industry. Take a look at what's currently happening to New York City's real estate market. Why live in the city if you can work remotely? Trends like that will make Internet access in rural and impoverished areas more critical.

People will become more focused on public hygeine. That has knock-on effects on lots of social activities like dining, sports, entertainment and so on. It's not going to be as extreme as it is now, but attitudes about a lot of things will change.

More common yes. The majority? No

Better hygiene is not a bad thing in the slightest.


You will be surprised. Execs are always looking to increase their compensation. Guess what they are starting to evaluate as a “cost reduction”. Office space. I know of two companies already who are saying most of the work force will work from home now. It’s a double win. You will be providing the company workspace in order to work for them.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:42 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
San Lumen wrote:More common yes. The majority? No

Better hygiene is not a bad thing in the slightest.


You will be surprised. Execs are always looking to increase their compensation. Guess what they are starting to evaluate as a “cost reduction”. Office space. I know of two companies already who are saying most of the work force will work from home now. It’s a double win. You will be providing the company workspace in order to work for them.

I still don’t think it’s going to be a majority. Downtowns aren’t going to become deserted.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You will be surprised. Execs are always looking to increase their compensation. Guess what they are starting to evaluate as a “cost reduction”. Office space. I know of two companies already who are saying most of the work force will work from home now. It’s a double win. You will be providing the company workspace in order to work for them.

I still don’t think it’s going to be a majority. Downtowns aren’t going to become deserted.


Downtowns wouldn't be deserted for long even if people moved, en masse into remote work.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
You will be surprised. Execs are always looking to increase their compensation. Guess what they are starting to evaluate as a “cost reduction”. Office space. I know of two companies already who are saying most of the work force will work from home now. It’s a double win. You will be providing the company workspace in order to work for them.

I still don’t think it’s going to be a majority. Downtowns aren’t going to become deserted.


It really might be as a percentage of white collar workers. Reducing office space in expensive city centre areas will be very tempting for companies. Home work for call centres was already becoming a thing in the UK before Covid. I can only see this plague accelerating this.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:59 pm

Post War America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I still don’t think it’s going to be a majority. Downtowns aren’t going to become deserted.


Downtowns wouldn't be deserted for long even if people moved, en masse into remote work.

And what becomes of the office buildings or the business there?

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Postby Post War America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Post War America wrote:
Downtowns wouldn't be deserted for long even if people moved, en masse into remote work.

And what becomes of the office buildings or the business there?


Probably exactly what became of 19th century factories that were abandoned, they'll be converted into mixed use spaces and cheap residences mostly likely. Perhaps even more quickly given that densely populated city centers have fair consistently been desirable places to live, and the reduction in cube farms and support infrastructure will reduce rents.
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