Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Six months is February. Why can’t they cut some corners with the vaccine? It clearly works so why do all the trials?

Because it doesn't "clearly work". We, in fact, have essentially no idea whether it will turn out to work or not, because we literally haven't tested that yet. We've got some guesses, but nothing beyond that. That's what the trial is for.

Feelings don't care about your facts lmao.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Not for another 6-9 months, no. By that time, however, the vaccines will likely be widely available and the virus will be the problem of the anti-vax morons.

Six months is February. Why can’t they cut some corners with the vaccine? It clearly works so why do all the trials?

Let me tell you about the time Soviet engineers cut corners on the N1 moon rocket, skipped a few tests for the flight computer, the engines and the plumbing systems and became host to one of the greatest non-nuclear explosions in history.

[Ifreann]

Anything to keep businesses open. That's the only thing that matters, apparently.

The best healthcare in the world isn’t going to matter if your economy is in ruins and people can’t pay taxes because they have no money

That's why all children must be sent to boarding schools from the ages of 2-18, so their parents can go to work.

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[Salandriagado]

And then they will deliberately do badly to get a chance to be back in a classroom fucking around with their mates instead of being stuck at home.

Your generalization of what school kids are like doesn't cover my own case. I would have gladly read a pile of books at home instead of going into school every day. Perhaps after a while I'd have gone for a bit of both, 3 days a week at school perhaps. "Fucking around with my mates" wasn't a huge deal to me, it was always under the eye of someone, teachers, or other kids, and inherently less fun than fucking around on the weekend.

Unwisely I generalized from my own case, and thought most high school students would prefer to study from home. Particularly if they didn't really have to study. Which is why I said high school kids should have the option to study from home, but the option should be withdrawn if they're wasting time and failing their courses.

I'm not generalising here: I'm reporting the data.

And, again, your proposal will result in bright kids not being pushed and lazy kids doing fuck all intentionally in order to get back into school. It would be bad for essentially everybody.


And that's before we get into how you're going to pay for two complete sets of teaching staff.

[Australian rePublic]

Melbourne's lockdoen is expected to cause a nationwide food shortage, especially meat. At what point is the prevention worse than the disease?

[San Lumen]

It's no good for the small kids, not least because it requires 20+ parents to do supervision 1 teacher could be doing.
I do think it could be used for some of the year 10 (up) students.

It's been absolutely and completely disasterous for all ages. Essentially zero learning has happened since March, even for the tiny minority that have engaged with the material being provided.

Study from home, but if you're not doing well it's back to school for you.

And then they will deliberately do badly to get a chance to be back in a classroom fucking around with their mates instead of being stuck at home.

Tell that to the mayor of Chicago and other leaders who don’t seem to care

In addition for students to be payed insane tuition for colleges they won’t be setting foot on is atrocious

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Your generalization of what school kids are like doesn't cover my own case. I would have gladly read a pile of books at home instead of going into school every day. Perhaps after a while I'd have gone for a bit of both, 3 days a week at school perhaps. "Fucking around with my mates" wasn't a huge deal to me, it was always under the eye of someone, teachers, or other kids, and inherently less fun than fucking around on the weekend.

Unwisely I generalized from my own case, and thought most high school students would prefer to study from home. Particularly if they didn't really have to study. Which is why I said high school kids should have the option to study from home, but the option should be withdrawn if they're wasting time and failing their courses.

I'm not generalising here: I'm reporting the data.

You were generalizing when you claimed kids would rather be in a classroom than "stuck at home". If you have the arrogance to claim that opinion as "reporting the data" then let's see the data about which kids and how many would go into school if they didn't have to.

I spent six weeks in my room rather than going to school. After a few days my dad went into the school and got all the curricula he could and whatever books to fill it, he could, and he tutored me. I was putting in no more effort at home than at school, with about 3 hours a day, and I thought I was doing better despite that, but my dad said I was spending too much time on physics and not enough on English, and I'd have to go back to school.

My personal experience is not the same as all other children. Some may be better at home study, most would be worse.

And, again, your proposal will result in bright kids not being pushed and lazy kids doing fuck all intentionally in order to get back into school. It would be bad for essentially everybody.

And that's before we get into how you're going to pay for two complete sets of teaching staff.

I only want whatever is best for the kids and their education. You could have done a better job selling full-time in-person school to me if you'd mentioned kids developing their social skills in a more positive light than "in a classroom fucking around with their mates" but as per usual you think the best way to persuade someone is to hammer every mistake they make and then blame them for not taking your word for it the first time. I only enjoy it when you're doing it to someone else.

[San Lumen]

Melbourne's lockdoen is expected to cause a nationwide food shortage, especially meat. At what point is the prevention worse than the disease?

It already is in the US but our leaders don’t care

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Melbourne's lockdoen is expected to cause a nationwide food shortage, especially meat. At what point is the prevention worse than the disease?

When deaths from kwashiorkor (protein deficiency) exceed Covid-19 deaths. That would be a way off yet.

[Australian rePublic]

I'm not generalising here: I'm reporting the data.

You were generalizing when you claimed kids would rather be in a classroom than "stuck at home". If you have the arrogance to claim that opinion as "reporting the data" then let's see the data about which kids and how many would go into school if they didn't have to.

I spent six weeks in my room rather than going to school. After a few days my dad went into the school and got all the curricula he could and whatever books to fill it, he could, and he tutored me. I was putting in no more effort at home than at school, with about 3 hours a day, and I thought I was doing better despite that, but my dad said I was spending too much time on physics and not enough on English, and I'd have to go back to school.

My personal experience is not the same as all other children. Some may be better at home study, most would be worse.

And, again, your proposal will result in bright kids not being pushed and lazy kids doing fuck all intentionally in order to get back into school. It would be bad for essentially everybody.

And that's before we get into how you're going to pay for two complete sets of teaching staff.

I only want whatever is best for the kids and their education. You could have done a better job selling full-time in-person school to me if you'd mentioned kids developing their social skills in a more positive light than "in a classroom fucking around with their mates" but as per usual you think the best way to persuade someone is to hammer every mistake they make and then blame them for not taking your word for it the first time. I only enjoy it when you're doing it to someone else.

My sister's a teacher and she said that she'd hate to work from home and she'd rather be in the classroom. I'm not sure if she speaks for all teachers, though

[Post War America]

Melbourne's lockdoen is expected to cause a nationwide food shortage, especially meat. At what point is the prevention worse than the disease?

It already is in the US but our leaders don’t care

I dunno if you hadn't noticed but most of our "leaders" were, and are too busy trying to get everyone back to work to care about how they could have avoided food shortages, eviction waves, and other problems that will mostly affect the dirty poors. The gross mismanagement of the crisis is entirely to be laid at the feet of politicians who thought stabilizing the stock market was more important than actually ensuring the people could safely weather the crisis.

[San Lumen]

It already is in the US but our leaders don’t care

I dunno if you hadn't noticed but most of our "leaders" were, and are too busy trying to get everyone back to work to care about how they could have avoided food shortages, eviction waves, and other problems that will mostly affect the dirty poors. The gross mismanagement of the crisis is entirely to be laid at the feet of politicians who thought stabilizing the stock market was more important than actually ensuring the people could safely weather the crisis.

And this point it’s beyond control in the US and we should just end all restrictions. Starting from scratch will only destroy the economy completely and if our economy collapses so does the world

[Post War America]

I dunno if you hadn't noticed but most of our "leaders" were, and are too busy trying to get everyone back to work to care about how they could have avoided food shortages, eviction waves, and other problems that will mostly affect the dirty poors. The gross mismanagement of the crisis is entirely to be laid at the feet of politicians who thought stabilizing the stock market was more important than actually ensuring the people could safely weather the crisis.

And this point it’s beyond control in the US and we should just end all restrictions. Starting from scratch will only destroy the economy completely and if our economy collapses so does the world

Ending all restrictions will literally kill millions of people and will also collapse the economy, probably worse even because now capitalists won't have a reserve army of labor with which to drive down wages and expand profits. Unchecked plague was how the fuedal era came to an end after all.

[Australian rePublic]

Melbourne's lockdoen is expected to cause a nationwide food shortage, especially meat. At what point is the prevention worse than the disease?

When deaths from kwashiorkor (protein deficiency) exceed Covid-19 deaths. That would be a way off yet.

Not now. In the coming weeks

[San Lumen]

And this point it’s beyond control in the US and we should just end all restrictions. Starting from scratch will only destroy the economy completely and if our economy collapses so does the world

Ending all restrictions will literally kill millions of people and will also collapse the economy, probably worse even because now capitalists won't have a reserve army of labor with which to drive down wages and expand profits. Unchecked plague was how the fuedal era came to an end after all.

And we keep up things for much longer millions will be homeless, millions of children will fall behind in school, millions more will be hungry and countless businesses will be boarded up.


This isn’t Black Death and people need to stop treating it as such.

[Post War America]

Ending all restrictions will literally kill millions of people and will also collapse the economy, probably worse even because now capitalists won't have a reserve army of labor with which to drive down wages and expand profits. Unchecked plague was how the fuedal era came to an end after all.

And we keep up things for much longer millions will be homeless, millions of children will fall behind in school, and millions more will be hungry
This isn’t Black Death and people need to stop treating it as such.

You're right, it isn't the Black Death, the Black Death is imminently treatable with some basic antibiotics, CoVid-19 is much less so. You can also drop your attempts to Sea Lion the plight of the homeless, you don't actually care, you've rejected any solution that doesn't involve ending all restrictions, because it doesn't actively safeguard the profitability of corporations. Deep down the only thing that matters to you is that you can't go to densely packed nightclubs, or go on weekly shopping trips.

Don't even try to deny it, your posting records on this very thread have made it abundantly clear.

[Juristonia]

And this point it’s beyond control in the US and we should just end all restrictions. Starting from scratch will only destroy the economy completely and if our economy collapses so does the world

You've made a lot of bad arguments in this thread so far, but this one is by far the worst and the most dangerous.

I'll probably get flagged for this, but I don't care.
You're a toddler who wants to knock all his toys out of the pram because he doesn't want to eat his veggies.
Except in this case, the toys are actively killing people.

Just stfu and eat your damn broccoli.

[Fartsniffage]

When deaths from kwashiorkor (protein deficiency) exceed Covid-19 deaths. That would be a way off yet.

Not now. In the coming weeks

A health diet only needs about 70G of meat per day for protein. Said protein can easily be replaced by other sources.

No-one is going to die due to a meat shortage in Australia, you're just worried you won't be able to eat as much as you want.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

When deaths from kwashiorkor (protein deficiency) exceed Covid-19 deaths. That would be a way off yet.

Not now. In the coming weeks

Seriously, you can see the death toll from Victoria. The death toll from lockdown has to exceed that before "prevention is worse than the disease".

I was also making a point about meat. If there's a meat shortage, it shouldn't mean anyone has to go without. Only that people who usually eat way more meat than they need (that's most of us, including me) will have to be limited so everyone gets some.

Well that's rationing, but it might not be necessary if the shortage isn't too severe. Enough people will follow a government recommendation, and if not then bring on the emotive advertising. We're really a long way off from having to show ID and sign to buy meat!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Not now. In the coming weeks

A health diet only needs about 70G of meat per day for protein. Said protein can easily be replaced by other sources.

No-one is going to die due to a meat shortage in Australia, you're just worried you won't be able to eat as much as you want.

If people start dying of kwashiorkor because they refuse to eat fish or tofu, I'll be rolling out the "cure is worse than the disease" numbers.

"How many people die each month from heart disease and bowel cancer caused by too much meat?
Right. And how many people died this month from kwashiorkor? Now shut up and eat your spicy lentil ball."

[Salandriagado]

I'm not generalising here: I'm reporting the data.

You were generalizing when you claimed kids would rather be in a classroom than "stuck at home".

That isn't what I said.

And, again, your proposal will result in bright kids not being pushed and lazy kids doing fuck all intentionally in order to get back into school. It would be bad for essentially everybody.

And that's before we get into how you're going to pay for two complete sets of teaching staff.

I only want whatever is best for the kids and their education. You could have done a better job selling full-time in-person school to me if you'd mentioned kids developing their social skills in a more positive light than "in a classroom fucking around with their mates" but as per usual you think the best way to persuade someone is to hammer every mistake they make and then blame them for not taking your word for it the first time. I only enjoy it when you're doing it to someone else.

Evidently not, since you're proposing online learning, which is unambiguously shit.

Perhaps not saying things that are patently false would lead to me pointing out that you're talking out of your arse less.

[San Lumen]

You were generalizing when you claimed kids would rather be in a classroom than "stuck at home".

That isn't what I said.

I only want whatever is best for the kids and their education. You could have done a better job selling full-time in-person school to me if you'd mentioned kids developing their social skills in a more positive light than "in a classroom fucking around with their mates" but as per usual you think the best way to persuade someone is to hammer every mistake they make and then blame them for not taking your word for it the first time. I only enjoy it when you're doing it to someone else.

Evidently not, since you're proposing online learning, which is unambiguously shit.

Perhaps not saying things that are patently false would lead to me pointing out that you're talking out of your arse less.

Tell that to the mayors and and governors who having remote learning in the fall

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

That isn't what I said.



Evidently not, since you're proposing online learning, which is unambiguously shit.

Perhaps not saying things that are patently false would lead to me pointing out that you're talking out of your arse less.

Tell that to the mayors and and governors who having remote learning in the fall

What are you even doing?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You were generalizing when you claimed kids would rather be in a classroom than "stuck at home".

That isn't what I said.

It's no good for the small kids, not least because it requires 20+ parents to do supervision 1 teacher could be doing.
I do think it could be used for some of the year 10 (up) students.

It's been absolutely and completely disasterous for all ages. Essentially zero learning has happened since March, even for the tiny minority that have engaged with the material being provided.

Study from home, but if you're not doing well it's back to school for you.

And then they will deliberately do badly to get a chance to be back in a classroom fucking around with their mates instead of being stuck at home.

OK, you actually made a broader claim. You did say kids would rather be in the classroom than stuck at home. BUT only after they'd tried being stuck at home, and disliked it so much they wrecked their own grades.

There's an assumption there, that kids should be required to do learning from home, which I never made. In fact there's nothing in what I said to imply anything other than an option of learning from home if that child wants to. And you should have got that when I said that sometimes they would have to be sent back to school.

No, you assumed I meant to require it unless kids "failed" ... which obviously they could do deliberately. You really think I'm stupid don't you?

Bottom line, damn right you said that. Kids all around the world have now had the experience, they know if they like it or not. That qualification 'after they've tried it' doesn't really change the meaning of what you said.

And then they will deliberately do badly to get a chance to be back in a classroom fucking around with their mates instead of being stuck at home.

I only want whatever is best for the kids and their education. You could have done a better job selling full-time in-person school to me if you'd mentioned kids developing their social skills in a more positive light than "in a classroom fucking around with their mates" but as per usual you think the best way to persuade someone is to hammer every mistake they make and then blame them for not taking your word for it the first time. I only enjoy it when you're doing it to someone else.

Evidently not, since you're proposing online learning, which is unambiguously shit.

Perhaps not saying things that are patently false would lead to me pointing out that you're talking out of your arse less.

You do that to everyone, whether they're right or wrong. I'm not paying much attention at this point.

[San Lumen]

Tell that to the mayors and and governors who having remote learning in the fall

What are you even doing?

What do you mean what am I doing?