Coronavirus Thread V: A Shot in the Arm (READ OP)

[Salandriagado]

You severely underestimate just how secure these labs are. Anyone trying to raid one would need to take massive preparations which could very well alert US intelligence and even if they managed to pull it off there would be a massive man hunt for them. Trying to break into these facilitates for a bio bomb would be very difficult.

Yeah, I'm no longer interested in being told again that bio facilities are more secure than a bank vault. That seems so implausible to me I won't be responding any more, unless someone presents evidence.

Again: 40 years of being (a) pretty much the highest value target for terrorist groups besides actual nuclear silos and (b) having their locations being public knowledge is plenty of evidence. Or do you also doubt that nuclear silos have better security than banks? Because it's pretty much the same security.

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

So you’re going to ignore effective lockdowns in places outside of the US? There is also the notable difference of how officials handle each lockdown.

Like which nations?

I would say South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, most of the EU, and a few others.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Yeah, I'm no longer interested in being told again that bio facilities are more secure than a bank vault. That seems so implausible to me I won't be responding any more, unless someone presents evidence.

Again: 40 years of being (a) pretty much the highest value target for terrorist groups besides actual nuclear silos and (b) having their locations being public knowledge is plenty of evidence.

Are you saying that no-one has tried, therefore it's impossible? Or are you saying that someone did try and failed ... therefore it's impossible? Cos' neither of those seems like strong evidence. You're hanging a lot off zero data points!

Or do you also doubt that nuclear silos have better security than banks? Because it's pretty much the same security.

I said bank vaults: it doesn't imply a bank that is trading and opens the vault from time to time. And the great thing about a bank vault is that it resists physical intrusion for a good long while. OK if someone brings a TOW missile they can get in quickly, but there won't be anything worth stealing inside besides a pile of gold.

State troopers at the front door and multiple levels of electronic security actually don't impress me that much. These keycard-operated doors are armoured I hope?

[Salandriagado]

Again: 40 years of being (a) pretty much the highest value target for terrorist groups besides actual nuclear silos and (b) having their locations being public knowledge is plenty of evidence.

Are you saying that no-one has tried, therefore it's impossible? Or are you saying that someone did try and failed ... therefore it's impossible? Cos' neither of those seems like strong evidence. You're hanging a lot off zero data points!

No, I'm saying that lots of people have tried, and zero of them have even gotten remotely close.

Or do you also doubt that nuclear silos have better security than banks? Because it's pretty much the same security.

I said bank vaults: it doesn't imply a bank that is trading and opens the vault from time to time. And the great thing about a bank vault is that it resists physical intrusion for a good long while. OK if someone brings a TOW missile they can get in quickly, but there won't be anything worth stealing inside besides a pile of gold.

I have no fucking clue what relevance you think that has, but it doesn't. Again: these labs are about as secure as nuclear silos. Are you claiming that nuclear weapons are kept less securely than bank vaults?
State troopers at the front door and multiple levels of electronic security actually don't impress me that much. These keycard-operated doors are armoured I hope?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Are you saying that no-one has tried, therefore it's impossible? Or are you saying that someone did try and failed ... therefore it's impossible? Cos' neither of those seems like strong evidence. You're hanging a lot off zero data points!

No, I'm saying that lots of people have tried, and zero of them have even gotten remotely close.

Lots huh?

[The Rich Port]

No, I'm saying that lots of people have tried, and zero of them have even gotten remotely close.

Lots huh?

The standing point is that bio-terrorism is exceedingly rare.

Are there any examples of successful infiltrations of laboratories and the CDC you wanna talk about to discredit that?

If not, I think it's safe to say that if there's no evidence that shit happens... It's never happened.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Lots huh?

The standing point is that bio-terrorism is exceedingly rare.

Are there any examples of successful infiltrations of laboratories and the CDC you wanna talk about to discredit that?

If not, I think it's safe to say that if there's no evidence that shit happens... It's never happened.

The consequences of it happening are so terrible, I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about some state troopers and multiple levels of electronic security. If it's just 5 years out of date, it's rather useless against a well-resourced infiltrator.

Fingerprint scans? The hair on the back of my neck just went up.

[The Rich Port]

The standing point is that bio-terrorism is exceedingly rare.

Are there any examples of successful infiltrations of laboratories and the CDC you wanna talk about to discredit that?

If not, I think it's safe to say that if there's no evidence that shit happens... It's never happened.

The consequences of it happening are so terrible, I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about some state troopers and multiple levels of electronic security. If it's just 5 years out of date, it's rather useless against a well-resourced infiltrator.

Fingerprint scans? The hair on the back of my neck just went up.

It's been well established that even the genocidally insane would be too smart to use biological weapons and anybody too lethally stupid wouldn't be able to get to them to begin with.

Like I brought up, if Coronavirus is a biological terrorism attack, and even if it wasn't, why has nobody claimed responsibility for it?

Because you would piss off every single government in the world if you did, is why.

ISIS tried that and look at where they're at now, either in sweating as they look over their shoulders waiting for someone to stab them in the back, six feet under the desert sands, rotting in shitty camp prisons, or being used as pincushions by their enemies.

In other words. Hey guy, relaaaaax, I actually ain't got any WMDs.

[Australian rePublic]

Well, Covid originated from bats, so it's safe to assume the similar is likely to happen. Though it would need quite some years. Really, the real long term solution is more funding for research and development of rapid vaccine production technology, as since technology is advancing, the risk of bioterrorism is getting larger.

One of the silver linings for this pandemic is that we have massively accelerated mRNA development and testing. Once that's gotten through this rather impromptu stress test, it'll be able to generate vaccines dramatically quicker than anything else (there's a reason Moderna aren't far behind Oxford, despite Oxford having started with a massive lead). They generated their vaccine candidate within a few days, and they can switch in the genetic material for different viruses just as quickly.

Another silver lining from this pandemic is that the world is finally waking up to the rotting turd pile which is the CCP

[Nobel Hobos 2]

One of the silver linings for this pandemic is that we have massively accelerated mRNA development and testing. Once that's gotten through this rather impromptu stress test, it'll be able to generate vaccines dramatically quicker than anything else (there's a reason Moderna aren't far behind Oxford, despite Oxford having started with a massive lead). They generated their vaccine candidate within a few days, and they can switch in the genetic material for different viruses just as quickly.

Another silver lining from this pandemic is that the world is finally waking up to the rotting turd pile which is the CCP

Other than sharing the first three words, your post has nothing to do with Salandriagado's.

If you want to change the subject to the CCP, you should make a post about it. Instead of pretending to be replying. And maybe bring some content that isn't turd-related?

[Australian rePublic]

Another silver lining from this pandemic is that the world is finally waking up to the rotting turd pile which is the CCP

Other than sharing the first three words, your post has nothing to do with Salandriagado's.

If you want to change the subject to the CCP, you should make a post about it. Instead of pretending to be replying. And maybe bring some content that isn't turd-related?

Ok, fine

[Andsed]

The standing point is that bio-terrorism is exceedingly rare.

Are there any examples of successful infiltrations of laboratories and the CDC you wanna talk about to discredit that?

If not, I think it's safe to say that if there's no evidence that shit happens... It's never happened.

The consequences of it happening are so terrible, I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about some state troopers and multiple levels of electronic security. If it's just 5 years out of date, it's rather useless against a well-resourced infiltrator.

Fingerprint scans? The hair on the back of my neck just went up.

It is not just that. If you want to even get into the area where these things are being held you have to be wearing full bodied air supplied suits. And as Salandriagado has also pointed out these facilitates have the ability to destroy these things before anyone could get to it. Besides most robberies are not a bunch of gunmen going in and forcing their way though. Because that rarely goes well. Most of the time a robbery is someone sneaking weapons into a bank and secretly giving the teller a note threatening them. Something that is not even remotely possible in a level 4 bio lab. These bio labs have tight security.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The consequences of it happening are so terrible, I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about some state troopers and multiple levels of electronic security. If it's just 5 years out of date, it's rather useless against a well-resourced infiltrator.

Fingerprint scans? The hair on the back of my neck just went up.

It is not just that. If you want to even get into the area where these things are being held you have to be wearing full bodied air supplied suits. And as Salandriagado has also pointed out these facilitates have the ability to destroy these things before anyone could get to it. Besides most robberies are not a bunch of gunmen going in and forcing their way though. Because that rarely goes well. Most of the time a robbery is someone sneaking weapons into a bank and secretly giving the teller a note threatening them. Something that is not even remotely possible in a level 4 bio lab. These bio labs have tight security.

Fingerprint scans. Not retinal scans. Fingerprints ...

[Australian rePublic]

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[Australian rePublic]

It is not just that. If you want to even get into the area where these things are being held you have to be wearing full bodied air supplied suits. And as Salandriagado has also pointed out these facilitates have the ability to destroy these things before anyone could get to it. Besides most robberies are not a bunch of gunmen going in and forcing their way though. Because that rarely goes well. Most of the time a robbery is someone sneaking weapons into a bank and secretly giving the teller a note threatening them. Something that is not even remotely possible in a level 4 bio lab. These bio labs have tight security.

Fingerprint scans. Not retinal scans. Fingerprints ...

Live finger print scans are more secure than fingerprint scsns. If you cut off someone's finger, you have their finger print.

[Salandriagado]

The standing point is that bio-terrorism is exceedingly rare.

Are there any examples of successful infiltrations of laboratories and the CDC you wanna talk about to discredit that?

If not, I think it's safe to say that if there's no evidence that shit happens... It's never happened.

The consequences of it happening are so terrible, I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about some state troopers and multiple levels of electronic security. If it's just 5 years out of date, it's rather useless against a well-resourced infiltrator.

Fingerprint scans? The hair on the back of my neck just went up.

The consequences are essentially zero: all of these labs have the ability to incinerate everything they're working on essentially instantly, so the actual consequences of somebody somehow managing to get into the actual lab is that their research gets set back by a few weeks as they get replacement samples from the other lab.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Fingerprint scans. Not retinal scans. Fingerprints ...

Live finger print scans are more secure than fingerprint scsns. If you cut off someone's finger, you have their finger print.

My impression is they're a dead end in high security. No matter how sophisticated the scanner, someone will make a better imitation of human skin (with someone else's fingerprint) and stick it on their own finger.

Retinal scans could be fooled too, but making an artificial eye would be much harder, and holding it up without getting busted by video surveillance ... well never say never I guess.

What I'm really concerned about is the computer system running all this security (including surveillance). I don't know and I'm not going to ask. I just hope it's modern and competently administered.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The consequences of it happening are so terrible, I think it's reasonable to be sceptical about some state troopers and multiple levels of electronic security. If it's just 5 years out of date, it's rather useless against a well-resourced infiltrator.

Fingerprint scans? The hair on the back of my neck just went up.

The consequences are essentially zero: all of these labs have the ability to incinerate everything they're working on essentially instantly, so the actual consequences of somebody somehow managing to get into the actual lab is that their research gets set back by a few weeks as they get replacement samples from the other lab.

Hopefully the really nasty stuff is stored with that kind of self-destruct built into it's casket as a last resort. Really long-term storage would be in liquid nitrogen, wouldn't it?

[CoraSpia]

If this is the miracle cure, I'll take the virus

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If this is the miracle cure, I'll take the virus

Ozone is pretty nasty stuff. I'd like the mayor to demonstrate it on himself before I consider it for my own tender hole.

[CoraSpia]

If this is the miracle cure, I'll take the virus

Ozone is pretty nasty stuff. I'd like the mayor to demonstrate it on himself before I consider it for my own tender hole.

The best part of that article is 'The mayor, who is also a doctor...'

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Ozone is pretty nasty stuff. I'd like the mayor to demonstrate it on himself before I consider it for my own tender hole.

The best part of that article is 'The mayor, who is also a doctor...'

The best part of the article is the picture they chose! I wouldn't let that man give medical assistance to a pot plant.

[Liriena]

One of the bigger TV pundits here just drank chlorine dioxide live on camera and recommended that her viewers did it too, as some sort of "cure" for the rona.

[CoraSpia]

One of the bigger TV pundits here just drank chlorine dioxide live on camera and recommended that her viewers did it too, as some sort of "cure" for the rona.

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Are the Darwin awards still a thing?

[-Astoria-]

One of the bigger TV pundits here just drank chlorine dioxide live on camera and recommended that her viewers did it too, as some sort of "cure" for the rona.

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Link, please?

Just out of curiosity.