Is it time for Europe to unite?

[Greater Miami Shores]

and under the leftists governments they aren't doing so.

Such as?

Is a matter of politics, not necessarily all leftists, but leaders who are flooding their nations with non European illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Such as?

Is a matter of politics, not necessarily all leftists, but leaders who are flooding their nations with non European illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration.

Statistics and sources plox

[-Astoria-]

Such as?

Is a matter of politics, not necessarily all leftists, but leaders who are flooding their nations with non European illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration.

So basically, drink.

[Novus America]

Those can be abolished

No, thank you. I would rather Europe remain European, not become another US or PRC. And I don't even see the point of Europe uniting if they won't stand up for their own traditions and values.

Although I think the republic vs monarch things should be left to the people of each European state, not all of Europe has the same monarchist traditions at all.

Traditions and values in one European state are quite different than those in another.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Is a matter of politics, not necessarily all leftists, but leaders who are flooding their nations with non European illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration.

Statistics and sources plox

I said not all necessarily all leftists, Angela Merkle of Germany for one, flooded Germany with non European immigrants.

[Ansarre]

Statistics and sources plox

I said not all necessarily all leftists, Angela Merkle of Germany for one, flooded Germany with non European immigrants.

Angela Merkel is a conservative.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I said not all necessarily all leftists, Angela Merkle of Germany for one, flooded Germany with non European immigrants.

Angela Merkel is a conservative.

I know, and I said not all necessarily leftists, but Angela Merkle did flood Germany with non European immigrants and asylum seekers.

[Novus America]

I said not all necessarily all leftists, Angela Merkle of Germany for one, flooded Germany with non European immigrants.

Angela Merkel is a conservative.

Eh, her party is considered conservative but she is really a neoliberal.
Her social policy is definitely center left.

[Vistulange]

I said not all necessarily all leftists, Angela Merkle of Germany for one, flooded Germany with non European immigrants.

Angela Merkel is a conservative.

On their side of the pond, anything remotely not xenophobia is "leftism".

[Ansarre]

Angela Merkel is a conservative.

Eh, her party is considered conservative but she is really a neoliberal.
Her social policy is definitely center left.

not really. she's definitely a market liberal but she's still a social conservative, just one who governs from the center.

[Novus America]

Eh, her party is considered conservative but she is really a neoliberal.
Her social policy is definitely center left.

not really. she's definitely a market liberal but she's still a social conservative, just one who governs from the center.

Given her changing her support to being for gay marriage, her stance on immigration and the like, it is hard to see what issues she is particularly socially conservative on. I mean she is not far left on social policy but I would put her as a fairly run of the mill neoliberal.

[Enesia]

Angela Merkel is a conservative.

I know, and I said not all necessarily leftists, but Angela Merkle did flood Germany with non European immigrants and asylum seekers.

I am conservative and moderate right wing person who disagrees with how the Chancellor handled the refugee crisis but let us not forget that this people are fleeing from war, famine and extreme poverty and every decent person, left or right will agree that we have a moral obligation to help them. If but a small number of politicians had the courage of Angela Merkel we would have handled the migrant crisis much better. On the matter of European unity or a federal Europe i think both sides will have to sacrifice something it they want their nation to be part of federal Europe or not. Being part of a Federal Europe has it's benefits such as large market, free movement of people and of course a louder voice in global matters and politics but will come at a cost of some political power being transferred to Brussels. I for one think that the benefits outweigh the cost, now more than ever it is vital for Europeans to realize that in this century the only powers that will matter will be the ones with continental size and massive population and economy such as USA, China or India and that they too can be a part of that group or disappear into obscurity.

[Novus America]

I know, and I said not all necessarily leftists, but Angela Merkle did flood Germany with non European immigrants and asylum seekers.

I am conservative and moderate right wing person who disagrees with how the Chancellor handled the refugee crisis but let us not forget that this people are fleeing from war, famine and extreme poverty and every decent person, left or right will agree that we have a moral obligation to help them. If but a small number of politicians had the courage of Angela Merkel we would have handled the migrant crisis much better. On the matter of European unity or a federal Europe i think both sides will have to sacrifice something it they want their nation to be part of federal Europe or not. Being part of a Federal Europe has it's benefits such as large market, free movement of people and of course a louder voice in global matters and politics but will come at a cost of some political power being transferred to Brussels. I for one think that the benefits outweigh the cost, now more than ever it is vital for Europeans to realize that in this century the only powers that will matter will be the ones with continental size and massive population and economy such as USA, China or India and that they too can be a part of that group or disappear into obscurity.

Well the EU already has a single market and freedom of movement (which ironically the PRC dies NOT have).

But sure a single foreign and military policy would be needed for global clout.
But Europe is deeply divided on foreign and military policy.
Making unity on those very difficult.

[Enesia]

I am conservative and moderate right wing person who disagrees with how the Chancellor handled the refugee crisis but let us not forget that this people are fleeing from war, famine and extreme poverty and every decent person, left or right will agree that we have a moral obligation to help them. If but a small number of politicians had the courage of Angela Merkel we would have handled the migrant crisis much better. On the matter of European unity or a federal Europe i think both sides will have to sacrifice something it they want their nation to be part of federal Europe or not. Being part of a Federal Europe has it's benefits such as large market, free movement of people and of course a louder voice in global matters and politics but will come at a cost of some political power being transferred to Brussels. I for one think that the benefits outweigh the cost, now more than ever it is vital for Europeans to realize that in this century the only powers that will matter will be the ones with continental size and massive population and economy such as USA, China or India and that they too can be a part of that group or disappear into obscurity.

Well the EU already has a single market and freedom of movement (which ironically the PRC dies NOT have).

But sure a single foreign and military policy would be needed for global clout.
But Europe is deeply divided on foreign and military policy.
Making unity on those very difficult.

Yes it is a single market with free movement of people and goods but it still lacks some of the economic powers that the Federal Government has in the USA. That was especially obvious during the 2008 recession and now during the Covid pandemic. It takes 28 countries much more time to agree on stimulus programs and subsidies than it takes in one single country. In the EU most of the financial assistance to its citizens will come from nation states and because of that the stimulus programs will be far smaller. As to the free movement of people you all saw how fast it took for many of member states to reimpose border checks during the migrant crisis and in the aftermath of the deadly terror attack in Paris so even in that front the EU still lacks the true economic freedoms that the citizens enjoy in the USA or Canada. As to the free movement in China, well i don't like to compare democracies and authoritarian countries because of the large differences in politics and philosophy.

[The Blaatschapen]

Those can be abolished

France & Iran intensifies.

I'll be humane and say that they're allowed to live.


So more of an Austrian abdication or so

[The Blaatschapen]

Those can be abolished

No, thank you. I would rather Europe remain European, not become another US or PRC. And I don't even see the point of Europe uniting if they won't stand up for their own traditions and values.

Let's compromise. Europe doesn't unite, but we still abolish the monarchies

[The Blaatschapen]

not really. she's definitely a market liberal but she's still a social conservative, just one who governs from the center.

Given her changing her support to being for gay marriage, her stance on immigration and the like, it is hard to see what issues she is particularly socially conservative on. I mean she is not far left on social policy but I would put her as a fairly run of the mill neoliberal.

She's an opportunist.

She knew that gay marriage inside Germany was only a matter of time. And rather than having it be an election issue, she removed the whip inside CDU and CSU and let each MP decide on their own. They passed it, and the SPD lost an issue that they could use for their campaign. The bill passed on June 30th, the election was on September 24th 2017. Bill effective, 1st of October.

Alternative reading: I moved to Germany and promptly it became gay.

[Novus America]

Given her changing her support to being for gay marriage, her stance on immigration and the like, it is hard to see what issues she is particularly socially conservative on. I mean she is not far left on social policy but I would put her as a fairly run of the mill neoliberal.

She's an opportunist.

She knew that gay marriage inside Germany was only a matter of time. And rather than having it be an election issue, she removed the whip inside CDU and CSU and let each MP decide on their own. They passed it, and the SPD lost an issue that they could use for their campaign. The bill passed on June 30th, the election was on September 24th 2017. Bill effective, 1st of October.

Alternative reading: I moved to Germany and promptly it became gay.

True, she is. Her whole electoral strategy has revolved around opportunistically stealing social policies from the center left, while cynically assuming that the right of her party will grumble but have nowhere else to go. Which worked until the AfD.

The most egregious example being her insane nuclear phase out, which was completely contrary to all logic and science, hurt the environment but for some reason some people on the left were radically misguided enough to think it was a good idea. She had to be smart enough to know it was pants on head stupid from an environmental and national security perspective (she is smart) but did it anyways.

Although this raises the question, was her refugee policy more cynical opportunism but that backfired?
Or she actually decided to do something based on some principles for once?

Regardless and opportunistic neoliberal cannot really be called a conservative.

[Cisairse]

Such as?

Is a matter of politics, not necessarily all leftists, but leaders who are flooding their nations with non European illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration.

..........do you know what the word "illegal" means

or do you think it's just a magnitude modifier

[Tsarus 2142]

It should definitely unite ethnically/culturally.
Germany, Britain, Scandinavia should all unite.
East europe has got to unite under Neo-Slavicism.
Mediterranea should unite (Spain, France, Italy and Greece region).
Finland should receive its land back.

And no more migrant intake.

[Novus America]

It should definitely unite ethnically/culturally.
Germany, Britain, Scandinavia should all unite.
East europe has got to unite under Neo-Slavicism.
Mediterranea should unite (Spain, France, Italy and Greece region).
Finland should receive its land back.

And no more migrant intake.

Germany and Britain are quite different culturally, politically and economically.
Scandinavia is its own thing.

A Scandinavian Union could work, but not sure with all those others.

Eastern Europe is not all Slavic. Hungary and Romania are not, neither are the Albanians or Estonians. The Lithuanians and Latvian are related to the Slavic groups but still have a separate identity. Slavic is a loose language grouping, Poles have a more western identity than the Bulgarians, very different cultures. Eastern Europe as such would only work as a loose association over a federal state.

A Mediterranean Union definitely has potential though.

[Tsarus 2142]

It should definitely unite ethnically/culturally.
Germany, Britain, Scandinavia should all unite.
East europe has got to unite under Neo-Slavicism.
Mediterranea should unite (Spain, France, Italy and Greece region).
Finland should receive its land back.

And no more migrant intake.

Germany and Britain are quite different culturally, politically and economically.
Scandinavia is its own thing.

A Scandinavian Union could work, but not sure with all those others.

Eastern Europe is not all Slavic. Hungary and Romania are not, neither are the Albanians or Estonians. The Lithuanians and Latvian are related to the Slavic groups but still have a separate identity. Slavic is a loose language grouping, Poles have a more western identity than the Bulgarians, very different cultures. Eastern Europe as such would only work as a loose association over a federal state.

A Mediterranean Union definitely has potential though.

I’m well aware of that. For Britain, Germany and Scandinavia, they’d still be separate yet still their own group.
The Baltic states would be their own thing. Albania and Romania would be their own thing.

East Europe...needs some work. But they need to unite eventually, ideally under neo-slavicism.

[Stylan]

Pan-Europeanism is either:

Neo-nazis
or
Neoliberals

[Stylan]

Germany and Britain are quite different culturally, politically and economically.
Scandinavia is its own thing.

A Scandinavian Union could work, but not sure with all those others.

Eastern Europe is not all Slavic. Hungary and Romania are not, neither are the Albanians or Estonians. The Lithuanians and Latvian are related to the Slavic groups but still have a separate identity. Slavic is a loose language grouping, Poles have a more western identity than the Bulgarians, very different cultures. Eastern Europe as such would only work as a loose association over a federal state.

A Mediterranean Union definitely has potential though.

I’m well aware of that. For Britain, Germany and Scandinavia, they’d still be separate yet still their own group.
The Baltic states would be their own thing. Albania and Romania would be their own thing.

East Europe...needs some work. But they need to unite eventually, ideally under neo-slavicism.

What about France? Also Britain and Germany are widly different

[Greater Miami Shores]

Is a matter of politics, not necessarily all leftists, but leaders who are flooding their nations with non European illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. Asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration.

..........do you know what the word "illegal" means

or do you think it's just a magnitude modifier

legal immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration, and should not be tolerated by any nation, it is this easy to do and understand.