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Should Europe unite?

Yes, as soon as possible
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15%
Yes, but only with support from all member states
50
18%
Yes, but only after certain benchmarks are met
41
15%
Maybe / Don't know / Not sure
19
7%
No, but it shouldn't be off the table for the future
36
13%
No, Europe should never unite
80
29%
Other (please state)
6
2%
 
Total votes : 272

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Postby Vivolkha » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:58 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Can you not strike a balance, though?

I would support a free, revolving, constitutional, ceremonial Monarch for the EU from the EU's traditional Monarchies, most are millionaires so they should not cost the EU any money.

Yeah, and people complain about "European elites"... and you want to make it 10000 times worse.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:58 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:How do you think the republic of the european union with such borders ?


What happened to Chalkidiki? Are you trying to secretly carve up Greece again?
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Postby Novus America » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:03 am

Ansarre wrote:
Slavakino wrote:The amount of people saying "Rusia bed" is hilarious. Russia should be an ally with the USA

An ally for/against what? I hear this all the time and it's stupid. Russia's geopolitical interests are completely at odds with America's and Europe's. America isn't just going to sacrifice her relationship with Europe to "ally" itself with a country that is much weaker and less strategically valuable. The real world doesn't work like a video game.


Yes, I would rather Russia not be hostile to the West, and instead a part of it or at least more friendly too it BUT Russia at least currently has completely different geopolitical interests, world views and a inability to move past perceived historical slights and a desire for “revenge” and all. It is thus very unlikely the the West and Russia can be allies any time soon. We have too many conflicting interests.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:05 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I have a dream that all monarchies in Europe are destroyed.
Can you not strike a balance, though?

Why?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:05 am

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Awesome Map of Europe, Turkey can be and is debatable.
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Postby Wesburg » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:11 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Awesome Map of Europe, Turkey can be and is debatable.

Not really a map of Europe if it includes some of Asia lol

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:13 am

Wesburg wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Awesome Map of Europe, Turkey can be and is debatable.

Not really a map of Europe if it includes some of Asia lol

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I know, because it includes Russia, lol. Turkey can be and is debatable.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:18 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Awesome Map of Europe, Turkey can be and is debatable.


Not really. Turkey isn’t European IMO, geographically nor culturally AFAIK. The only European part of Turkey is Thrace.

Also Russia shouldn’t be part of the EU full time, only as an observer within reason. From what I can see that map includes some Central Asian countries so that’s a no from me.
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:18 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Wesburg wrote:Not really a map of Europe if it includes some of Asia lol

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I know, because it includes Russia, lol. Turkey can be and is debatable.

And Central Asia? :eyebrow:
Ifreann wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Can you not strike a balance, though?

Why?

Why not?
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:21 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Not all of the countries in that map are current members of the EU and full membership is unlikely in the near future unless something changes that increases the chance of full membership of those nations.

Besides, the EU wouldn’t be a full republic if it united as there are monarchies that would be maintained, such as in Scandinavia and the Benelux.
I have a dream that all monarchies in Europe are destroyed.


Dream on, jacobin.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Can you not strike a balance, though?

I would support a free, revolving, constitutional, ceremonial Monarch for the EU from the EU's traditional Monarchies, most are millionaires so they should not cost the EU any money.


I think I like it how it is, if not for a European emperor/empress.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:21 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Awesome Map of Europe, Turkey can be and is debatable.


Not really. Turkey isn’t European IMO, geographically nor culturally AFAIK. The only European part of Turkey is Thrace.

Also Russia shouldn’t be part of the EU full time, only as an observer within reason. From what I can see that map includes some Central Asian countries so that’s a no from me.

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I said, Turkey can be debatable, if the map does include some Central American nations, It is because it is hard to find a map without them, this map was not easy to find.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:22 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Not really. Turkey isn’t European IMO, geographically nor culturally AFAIK. The only European part of Turkey is Thrace.

Also Russia shouldn’t be part of the EU full time, only as an observer within reason. From what I can see that map includes some Central Asian countries so that’s a no from me.

I said, Turkey can be debatable, if the map does include some Central American nations, It is because it is hard to find a map without them, this map was not easy to find.


Turkey isn’t really debatable IMO. It’s not European. Therefore, no EU membership.

Understandable, though I still do not agree with Russia joining except as a balkanised collection of pro-Europe states.
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:31 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Not really. Turkey isn’t European IMO, geographically nor culturally AFAIK. The only European part of Turkey is Thrace.

Also Russia shouldn’t be part of the EU full time, only as an observer within reason. From what I can see that map includes some Central Asian countries so that’s a no from me.

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I said, Turkey can be debatable, if the map does include some Central American nations, It is because it is hard to find a map without them, this map was not easy to find.

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Postby Adamede » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:40 am

Vivolkha wrote:
Earthbound Immortal Squad wrote:Europe should unite one day but certainly not under the banner of the EU.

Under whose/which banner, then?

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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:42 am

Adamede wrote:
Vivolkha wrote:Under whose/which banner, then?

Senatus Populusque Romanus
That's even worse.
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Postby Adamede » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:43 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Adamede wrote:Senatus Populusque Romanus
That's even worse.

Sounds like the opinion of a barbarian to me.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:46 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
I said, Turkey can be debatable, if the map does include some Central American nations, It is because it is hard to find a map without them, this map was not easy to find.

MapChart; use it.

I wish I knew how to create my own maps, I am not even sure if I have the ability too on my computer. Here is another Greater Europe Map, which I don't support, anything missing or added but not on the map, is because it is hard to find and even create an exact map I want.
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All of Europe and The Soviet Union, including Iceland, Turkey and Greenland, which I don't support. I support Europe with Iceland and Greenland. With Russia minus Turkey it would be cool, but debatable as well. Lets not get into word semantics.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:46 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Adamede wrote:Senatus Populusque Romanus
That's even worse.

Off to the gladiator stadium with you! Maybe fighting a lion will teach you to not disrespect Imperium Romanum!
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:51 am

Adamede wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:That's even worse.

Sounds like the opinion of a barbarian to me.
Hush, you. :p
Aureumterra wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:That's even worse.

Off to the gladiator stadium with you! Maybe fighting a lion will teach you to not disrespect Imperium Romanum!
You'll never take me alive!

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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:52 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:I have a dream that all monarchies in Europe are destroyed.
Can you not strike a balance, though?
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Postby Cisairse » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:53 am

Free Ravensburg wrote:Remember Yugoslavia? Yeah, that is why Europe would never unite


Funnily enough you can switch out "Yugoslavia" with "Germany" here and it works just as well.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:00 am

Cisairse wrote:
Free Ravensburg wrote:Remember Yugoslavia? Yeah, that is why Europe would never unite


Funnily enough you can switch out "Yugoslavia" with "Germany" here and it works just as well.

and any nations as well.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:06 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:
Not all of the countries in that map are current members of the EU and full membership is unlikely in the near future unless something changes that increases the chance of full membership of those nations.

Besides, the EU wouldn’t be a full republic if it united as there are monarchies that would be maintained, such as in Scandinavia and the Benelux.


Those can be abolished :)


No, thank you. I would rather Europe remain European, not become another US or PRC. And I don't even see the point of Europe uniting if they won't stand up for their own traditions and values.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:08 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Those can be abolished :)


No, thank you. I would rather Europe remain European, not become another US or PRC. And I don't even see the point of Europe uniting if they won't stand up for their own traditions and values.

and under the leftists governments they aren't doing so.
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:13 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
No, thank you. I would rather Europe remain European, not become another US or PRC. And I don't even see the point of Europe uniting if they won't stand up for their own traditions and values.

and under the leftists governments they aren't doing so.

Such as?
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