Ansarre wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:Will this EU superstate crackdown on illegal migrants or continue to have open borders?
Europe doesn't have open external borders.
Vassenor wrote:Everybody drink.
It's a valid thing to point out, actually. The lack of an EU navy and common EU border policy for external borders has been of significant detriment to our continental security and has exacerbated euroscepticism.
Anatoliyanskiy wrote:My opinion is that yes, Europe should unite into one large country. Now what countries are actually in Europe and which aren't, is another story entirely. (for example, would Iceland be included, or Russia? Would we even include Turkey?)
In my personal opinion? A future where Russia moves away from the Putin regime and towards liberal democracy would be one where I would be supportive of its membership in the European Union - provided it agrees to accept further integration. Turkey under no circumstances should be included in the European Union. Iceland maybe, if it wanted to be a member.
Zottistan wrote:Europe is way too diverse to function in any sort of centralized manner without the interests of smaller, marginal countries being subverted in favour of those with more weight to throw around. Which is probably why pan-Europeanism is so popular among white nationalists who don't understand that "white" is not a nation and crypto-imperialists aiming to secure hegemony for their nation/faction over the rest of the European continent. The more centralized the EU gets, the less its going to function.
I disagree wholeheartedly. A united Europe would elevate our common heritages while working to actively preserve our individual cultures. The European Union already does a stellar job at preserving and promoting European cultures already. For more information
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As for pan-Europeanism among white nationalists... I wouldn't know anything about this since I'm not one
I'm not looking to establish a nation-state but a federation of many peoples with shared geopolitical interests.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:A part of me says it should, another says it shouldn’t. I fear a federated Europe would be detrimental to the preservation and independence of Europe’s multitude of cultures and peoples. The status and power of states like Germany and France have over the EU in its current form makes me fearful for them being favoured over, say, the Silesians, the Bretons, and so on. Only if every
native culture was treated equally and properly, then yes.
The EU has done a stellar job at supporting efforts to promote and preserve minority languages, as well as all of the cultures of Europe. I do not have any reason to fear, as someone from three cultural minority backgrounds, that a unified EU would harm efforts to preserve and promote my cultures. In fact, I haven't heard anyone I've campaigned with point it out either.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:Ideally, Europe should unite into a single monarchic polity not unlike a kind of reborn HRE (but not German-dominated). Crowns and thrones should be revived in order to cement ourselves strongly in our collective European heritage.
Well ya know, Otto von Habsburg was an enthusiastic supporter of Pan-Europeanism!
The Islands of Versilia wrote:I would not be against the UK joining if a united Europe was to my liking. If nothing else it would further break Washington’s hold on global hegemony.
As a Briton who voted Conservative in 2019, I would love to see the UK rejoining the EU in future. But as it stands the UK is an opponent to further integration, so its in both our interests to be separate.
The Islands of Versilia wrote:A united Europe needs to have a Palmerstonesque leadership, however. Russia and China aren’t threatened by fancy letters, there needs to be real fear of European retaliation against them for any transgression.
Indeed! Post-unification I think Europe should immediately step up her role on the world stage.
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:That would be like North and South America uniting into one country.
It’s stupid, I’m happy with the living standards in my nation, and I don’t want them to get worse because other more corrupt nations get mixed with mine.
This is an ignorant comment. Europe is already well integrated and outside of a few examples of ex-communist countries, there isn't that significant of a gap in living standards going from country to country as there is in the Americas.
Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:Europe is not a monolith, it never was. It’s not a continent of a singular assimilated language, culture or ethnicity. The reigns of power would be placed in the West, all power wielded would be by the Germans or the French. The end result would be massacre and war.
Handing over power to an elite in Brussels brings no human benefit, European politicians leave their national/regional positions after a scandal or not enough pay to go work there. Whole thing is meant to make a quick buck and rub shoulders with other EU coffee makers.
This is just extreme fearmongering. No human benefit? Membership in the EU and increased integration has brought SIGNIFICANT benefits to Latvia. Latvia joined in 2004 and GDP more than doubled in four years.
Alvecia wrote:Conceptually sounds great. Timing is a little bad.
Also, where was the OP copied from, cause that's some interesting kerning you got going on there.
Copied from nowhere. I just prefer reading things in bigger font and I forgot to remove the [size] tags.
Heloin wrote:Are the Romani?
Yes.
The Emerald Legion wrote:Europe can't get things together now. Why do you think them uniting together will be any different?
You could say this about any country with an elected/non-patrimonial government.
You want to talk to me about the success story European Latvia has been?
Surface level GDP statistics mean nothing especially when you consider that the country went from a centrally planned assembly line to a free market country. The European Union has facilitated wide scale internal corruption by appointing Dombrovskis as Vice-President within the EU, by funding & supporting Parex Bank & it’s successor Citadel bank the EU authorities have supported a money laundering link which has deprived the Latvian tax payer of roughly 80 Million in a 2008 bailout.
Latvia leads in aspects such as alcoholism and homicides but that is a national issue and has no correlation with Europe, despite this the EU has brought it’s own problems that we’ll need to fix. GDP measurements are also especially inadequate in measuring the well being of a country, in which case it is a depressing state of affairs due to austerity measures put in place after the recession. You can cram GDP statistics all you want, people are still living like it’s 1995.
The schengen area has utterly depleted Latvia demographically with current trends indicating a grim state of affairs for the support of pensions and social services in the future, even the economic benefits are short term as the diaspora workforce abroad won’t be able to economically support the state for ever (aka death and integration). The largest brain drain in Latvian history is still occurring.
Latvia doesn’t need to beg at the knees of countries that don’t care about it, such as Sweden that has betrayed its trust long ago. Only with true leadership and representation, new and utterly nationally centered leadership, can the country properly join a European community and be a leading economy. EU federalism is lazy, I don’t want to live in a country where I’m governed and ‘enlightened’ by such higher cultures and economies.
Once a different Union bolstered about economic progress, I’m not gonna be a ballless bitch and just give something away my people have bled and suffered for- I remember the price of freedom, of living in your own land, and there is no way in hell you can swap that with a few green numbers.
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:43 pm