Texas Republicans propose State Electoral college

[San Lumen]

The person with the most votes shouldn’t win a statewide election? Oh that’s right I forgot farmland matters more than someone in a large city or town and more representation ought to be given to farms as well cuz crops and cattle

Show me where I said that?

You have every time elections are discussed

[Dresderstan]

Show me where I said that?

You have every time elections are discussed

Prove it then, show your fucking work, last I checked I've advocated for proportional representation, and you constantly said no for shitty partisan reasons.

[San Lumen]

You have every time elections are discussed

Prove it then, show your fucking work, last I checked I've advocated for proportional representation, and you constantly said no for shitty partisan reasons.

You said that giving a large city it’s fair share of representation was gerrymandering

[Nobel Hobos 2]

In a statewide election whomever gets the most votes ought to be elected no if’s and’s or but’s

Again, your simple black and white mentality is wrong.

In a statewide election whomever gets the most votes ought to be elected.

I can't imagine what the gray area is for you.

If you think that's true, give the nod. If you think it's false, say why.

[Dresderstan]

Prove it then, show your fucking work, last I checked I've advocated for proportional representation, and you constantly said no for shitty partisan reasons.

You said that giving a large city it’s fair share of representation was gerrymandering

No I didn't, the fact all you've been doing is going back to this fallacy is that you're fucking desperate.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Proportional representation only works if there are more than one office to be filled, by voters of that constituency.

It's doesn't work all that well for small numbers of offices. For instance 2 offices will almost always be 1 Red and 1 Blue.

When there is only 1 office to fill, proportional representation works precisely like First Past The Post. Whichever individual gets the most votes, gets the office.

[Punished UMN]

Again, your simple black and white mentality is wrong.

The person with the most votes shouldn’t win a statewide election? Oh that’s right I forgot farmland matters more than someone in a large city or town and more representation ought to be given to farms as well cuz crops and cattle

Yes, because without the farms, everyone would die.

[Thermodolia]

Proportional representation only works if there are more than one office to be filled, by voters of that constituency.

It's doesn't work all that well for small numbers of offices. For instance 2 offices will almost always be 1 Red and 1 Blue.

When there is only 1 office to fill, proportional representation works precisely like First Past The Post. Whichever individual gets the most votes, gets the office.

Well that’s why we are saying that we have IRV or a two round system for those executive positions. PR would be for the house

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The person with the most votes shouldn’t win a statewide election? Oh that’s right I forgot farmland matters more than someone in a large city or town and more representation ought to be given to farms as well cuz crops and cattle

Yes, because without the farms, everyone would die.

Nah. The price of food would be higher and most of it would be imported.
The only people who would die would be the farmers who for some spiteful reason stopped farming and refused to move to the city and get a job.

[San Lumen]

You said that giving a large city it’s fair share of representation was gerrymandering

No I didn't, the fact all you've been doing is going back to this fallacy is that you're fucking desperate.

You said this in the 2018 election thread about California’s election districts;
“No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.”
This whole paragraph shows your ignorance.

Your comment about packing districts in the Bay Area and around Los Angeles shows you don’t understand how representation works or the concept of population density. You have more people you get more representation it’s that simple.

You get the most votes you win a statewide election. Where is the gray area there for you? Because a vote on a farm doesn’t count more then a vote in a city it’s unfair?
Your

[Punished UMN]

Yes, because without the farms, everyone would die.

Nah. The price of food would be higher and most of it would be imported.
The only people who would die would be the farmers who for some spiteful reason stopped farming and refused to move to the city and get a job.

The US would not be food sufficient and many other countries depend on us for food imports.

Many farmers would go bankrupt without large subsidies because the price of food is so low due to the abundance of farms.

[Fahran]

The person with the most votes shouldn’t win a statewide election? Oh that’s right I forgot farmland matters more than someone in a large city or town and more representation ought to be given to farms as well cuz crops and cattle

Districts are proportionate by population. It's not about farmland. It's about communities. I believe I've explained that multiple times. There are arguments to be made against implementing an electoral college in Texas but I don't think this is necessarily the strongest one, largely because it misrepresents the argument from the other side.

Nah. The price of food would be higher and most of it would be imported.
The only people who would die would be the farmers who for some spiteful reason stopped farming and refused to move to the city and get a job.

This makes me want to bring back farmers' strikes.

Higher food prices would be pretty horrible for the urban poor and the importation of food would arguably represent a national security issue since disruptions to global trade would lead to large-scale starvation. We need both rural and urban districts to be reasonably self-sufficient on a national basis.

[Dresderstan]

No I didn't, the fact all you've been doing is going back to this fallacy is that you're fucking desperate.

You said this in the 2018 election thread about California’s election districts;
“No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.”

Your comment about packing districts in the Bay Area and around Los Angeles shows you don’t understand how representation works or the concept of population density. You have more people you get more representation it’s that simple.

You get the most votes you win a statewide election. Where is the gray area there for you? Because a vote on a farm doesn’t count more then a vote in a city it’s unfair?
Your

And yet it's been two years and you act as if I still believe your fallacy of that shit, clearly I don't, all you've done is run that shit over and over and over again.

[San Lumen]

You said this in the 2018 election thread about California’s election districts;
“No it doesn't, it's horribly gerrymandered.

The 8th does not need to stretch that far, same with the 51st. And what the fuck is with the 21st and 23rd? And don't get me started on the 1st and 2nd taking up a majority of the north. You also have the entirety of Sacramento surrounded by the 3rd and 7th districts. And don't get me started on the insane packing of districts in the south in and around LA and the Bay Area. Also, why is Fresno in the 16th, it looks horribly misplaced.”

Your comment about packing districts in the Bay Area and around Los Angeles shows you don’t understand how representation works or the concept of population density. You have more people you get more representation it’s that simple.

You get the most votes you win a statewide election. Where is the gray area there for you? Because a vote on a farm doesn’t count more then a vote in a city it’s unfair?
Your

And yet it's been two years and you act as if I still believe your fallacy of that shit, clearly I don't, all you've done is run that shit over and over and over again.

Your going to deny your own words?

[Punished UMN]

One of the problems with democracy is the fact that there necessarily has to be continual political struggle, and therefore it is important to continually "beat" your opponent, and continually be the winner, there is never a political victory which is so total that the government can actually get to the business of governing.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Proportional representation only works if there are more than one office to be filled, by voters of that constituency.

It's doesn't work all that well for small numbers of offices. For instance 2 offices will almost always be 1 Red and 1 Blue.

When there is only 1 office to fill, proportional representation works precisely like First Past The Post. Whichever individual gets the most votes, gets the office.

Well that’s why we are saying that we have IRV or a two round system for those executive positions. PR would be for the house

Ah, dreams. Perhaps we could take a novel approach to "three quarters of the state legislatures" and make amendments a bit easier?

[Dresderstan]

And yet it's been two years and you act as if I still believe your fallacy of that shit, clearly I don't, all you've done is run that shit over and over and over again.

Your going to deny your own words?

Will you stop beating this into the ground and shut up about it and stop bringing it up as relevant when it isn't?

[San Lumen]

Well that’s why we are saying that we have IRV or a two round system for those executive positions. PR would be for the house

Ah, dreams. Perhaps we could take a novel approach to "three quarters of the state legislatures" and make amendments a bit easier?

Amending the constitution should be difficult. It should not be something you can do on a whim

[Thermodolia]

One of the problems with democracy is the fact that there necessarily has to be continual political struggle, and therefore it is important to continually "beat" your opponent, and continually be the winner, there is never a political victory which is so total that the government can actually get to the business of governing.

That’s why you implement systems where nobody can be the “winner”

[Fahran]

Ah, dreams. Perhaps we could take a novel approach to "three quarters of the state legislatures" and make amendments a bit easier?

I honestly wouldn't object to proportional representation with a multi-party system and coalition-building, though we might have to weight the scales a little bit so we don't wind up like the Knesset.

That’s why you implement systems where nobody can be the “winner”

I propose an oppressive dictatorship that allows token opposition but always wins and oppresses everybody equally, probably by forcing them to wear Hello Kitty apparel.

[San Lumen]

Your going to deny your own words?

Will you stop beating this into the ground and shut up about it and stop bringing it up as relevant when it isn't?

It’s completely relevant. You simply don’t understand how representation or population density works. Nor do you believe in free and fair elections and would rather dodge or insult than actually debate your viewpoints

[Thermodolia]

Ah, dreams. Perhaps we could take a novel approach to "three quarters of the state legislatures" and make amendments a bit easier?

Amending the constitution should be difficult. It should not be something you can do on a whim

Not according to the founding fathers. One of whom, Tommy J, said that the laws of the old generation shouldn’t effect the new generation.

Basically according to him we should have changed the constitution about 50 to 100 years in.

[Dresderstan]

Will you stop beating this into the ground and shut up about it and stop bringing it up as relevant when it isn't?

It’s completely relevant. You simply don’t understand how representation or population density works. Nor do you believe in free and fair elections and would rather dodge or insult than actually debate your viewpoints

How is proportional representation unfair, not free or undemocratic?

[Fahran]

Not according to the founding fathers. One of whom, Tommy J, said that the laws of the old generation shouldn’t effect the new generation.

Basically according to him we should have changed the constitution about 50 to 100 years in.

Tommy J. was a rogue and a scoundrel, and we should shun him for stanning the French Revolution.

[Thermodolia]

Ah, dreams. Perhaps we could take a novel approach to "three quarters of the state legislatures" and make amendments a bit easier?

I honestly wouldn't object to proportional representation with a multi-party system and coalition-building, though we might have to weight the scales a little bit so we don't wind up like the Knesset.

The Knesset isn’t the only legislature out there. The Dutch Tweede Kamer is elected in much the same way and doesn’t have the same issues