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Texas Republicans propose State Electoral college

Postby San Lumen » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:33 pm

https://americanindependent.com/texas-g ... m1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:38 pm

Yea, I obviously don't support that crap. Governors should be popularly elected.
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Postby Drew Durrnil » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who when then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?

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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:42 pm

Texas Republicans have long been involved in borderline voter suppression. This isn't much of a surprise to me, but I doubt it's going to go anywhere.
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Postby Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:44 pm

Christ. The GOP really brings that Die a Hero or Live a Villain quote to life.

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Postby Third ZSeparatists » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?


There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:47 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?


There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.

Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?


It explicitly states in the Texas constitution that politicians MUST be elected by popular vote?
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Postby Third ZSeparatists » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:51 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Third ZSeparatists wrote:
There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.

Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?


What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?


There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.


"TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY!!!!" they cry as if that's somehow worse than tyranny of the minority. :roll:
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:53 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?


What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,


No, the Electoral College is what allows unpopular people that should lose elections to win them instead. This is the only reason the GOP has remained as dominate as it has been for the last forty years - to the detriment of the entire Union.
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Postby Kyundao » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:54 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.


As someone who lives in Washington state, I can confirm that. The most populated areas - the ones along the I-5 Corridor - tend to make really lousy decisions and the sad part is Washington state goes by popular vote, which means the most populated areas can easily dictate what the rest of the state does (even if they don't want it). It's not even fair honestly.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:57 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?


What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,

No, this is a blatant attempt to prevent any other party from getting the governorship. There is no evidence that small areas of Texas are not well represented.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:58 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?


What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,

The electors, at the end of the day, are general arbiters for our country. They elect the president. We elect them. If they band together to elevate Peter Griffin to office, we have no recourse with which to reclaim the election.

For smaller areas, that's tough. We vote as a nation. Candidates who don't win enough of the nation's support do not deserve election.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:00 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://americanindependent.com/texas-gop-electoral-college-rig-elections-popular-vote-senate/?fbclid=IwAR2XnNrZoxrLTk5t9ULJ49q7JO8v1vQQJ9sRNQWLhDz6NmFaPm1s-sXtZIs

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/l ... itutional/

Republicans in Texas are proposing a state electoral college to chose statewide officials to overturn a popular vote victory. Delegates would chosen by each state senate district who would then chose state officials. They are likely proposing this due to the most populous counties leftward trend.

This proposal is undemocratic and unconstitutional as it would violate one man one vote and could mean a Republican always wins a statewide election. Land area shouldn’t determine who wins only the number of votes you get. It’s beyond obvious at this point Republicans hate democracy.

Your thoughts nsg?


There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.

Imagine taking the time to come up with this response, typing it out, and then hitting Submit, and thinking that it's a statement worth taking seriously.

I can't.
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Postby The South Falls » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:01 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Third ZSeparatists wrote:
What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,

No, this is a blatant attempt to prevent any other party from getting the governorship. There is no evidence that small areas of Texas are not well represented.

If they were trying to represent small areas better, the popular vote would be a good solution. There are like 5 democratic strongholds down here, and Republicans dominate 97% of the land area or something around that number.
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Postby The Andromeda Island Group » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:03 pm

A governing party in a State where they are becoming unpopular decides to promote measures which keep it in power.

Disappointing. Not surprising, but disappointing.

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Postby New haven america » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:03 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?


What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,

No, actually, it only gives a say to areas of strategic importance.

For example, despite being touted as a system that gives more say to areas like bumfuck middle of nowhere Wyoming, that's not actually true because no presidential candidate has actually campaigned there since like, the 70's or 80's. So yeah, no presidential campaign has set foot there for 20+ years and yet they're apparently supposed to bee treated with equal importance to all other areas.
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Postby Confederate Norway » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:09 pm

Kyundao wrote:
Third ZSeparatists wrote:There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.


As someone who lives in Washington state, I can confirm that. The most populated areas - the ones along the I-5 Corridor - tend to make really lousy decisions and the sad part is Washington state goes by popular vote, which means the most populated areas can easily dictate what the rest of the state does (even if they don't want it). It's not even fair honestly.

Certain states need to be divided. Situations like that suck.

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Postby Third ZSeparatists » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:17 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Third ZSeparatists wrote:
What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,


No, the Electoral College is what allows unpopular people that should lose elections to win them instead. This is the only reason the GOP has remained as dominate as it has been for the last forty years - to the detriment of the entire Union.


Okay. Going by popular vote means larger areas in states are the only ones that actually have a say. Also, that is an argument but in a federal system the electoral college is needed. If you want to make the argument you are, just make the US one single state, without state governments and just one national government.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:18 pm

Third ZSeparatists wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Wouldn't then an electoral college just be traditional tyranny?


What makes you think that?

The electoral college is what allows smaller areas to have a say,

Back home we had a war to end minority rule.

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The South Falls wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:No, this is a blatant attempt to prevent any other party from getting the governorship. There is no evidence that small areas of Texas are not well represented.

If they were trying to represent small areas better, the popular vote would be a good solution. There are like 5 democratic strongholds down here, and Republicans dominate 97% of the land area or something around that number.


I don’t mean by land size, that would not make sense. I mean smaller population.
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New haven america wrote:
Third ZSeparatists wrote:
There's a problem with that.

In popular vote, it's not democracy, it's tyranny of the majority.

Imagine taking the time to come up with this response, typing it out, and then hitting Submit, and thinking that it's a statement worth taking seriously.

I can't.


It took about a minute to write, since it’s something short and simple.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:20 pm

I support this proposal.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:22 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:I support this proposal.

It keeps unpopular people in power so it must be good.

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