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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:01 pm
by Thermodolia
Duvniask wrote:What I'm stating above is essentially a rather roundabout description of intersectionality, or the idea that people's advantages and disadvantages can intersect in uniquely different combinations: a poor white can be better off than a poor black, because they might not be beat up by the police or arrested as much on average, and a poor woman might end up financially worse off than a poor man due to gender roles that downplay women's role in the workplace. Obviously all of these people suffer the disadvantage of being poor, but their experiences are still different.

Intersectionality is stupid and anti worker as it divides those who have more in common with eachother based on their class than the rich assholes of their race/gender.

Who do you see push intersectionality the most? I’ll give you a hint it’s not the poor or working class.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:02 pm
by Salus Maior
Thermodolia wrote:
Duvniask wrote:Because these issues intersect? It doesn't all come down to one or the other.

They definitely don’t. A rich white dude won’t be able to represent a poor white guy at all


A poor guy would never have the resources to run an effective campaign. A truly representative government is an illusion, it's never going to happen.

Because there's always going to be a political class; those who are advantaged with the power and resources to maintain and gain positions in the government.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:04 pm
by KingFerdinand1
If Men Are Elected To These Positions Then Theres Nothing Wrong With It.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:05 pm
by South Odreria 2
Thermodolia wrote:
Duvniask wrote:What I'm stating above is essentially a rather roundabout description of intersectionality, or the idea that people's advantages and disadvantages can intersect in uniquely different combinations: a poor white can be better off than a poor black, because they might not be beat up by the police or arrested as much on average, and a poor woman might end up financially worse off than a poor man due to gender roles that downplay women's role in the workplace. Obviously all of these people suffer the disadvantage of being poor, but their experiences are still different.

Intersectionality is stupid and anti worker as it divides those who have more in common with eachother based on their class than the rich assholes of their race/gender.

Who do you see push intersectionality the most? I’ll give you a hint it’s not the poor or working class.

Also the “intersectional” people tend to exclude class from their analysis for some reason

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:05 pm
by Thermodolia
Shofercia wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
"a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group."

I assure you I have no special rights, advantages, or immunities in spite of being a "privileged white male". Do you know why? Because I'm fucking poor, and the poor don't matter in this country. You really think this is about race or sex? You're delusional. That's a lie the Democrats have been cooking up for decades so they don't have address the actual inequality problem in this country because they benefit from the status quo just as much as the GOP does. Where the GOP tries to push some nonsense about how there is no discrimination or inequality and that everyone who is poor just isn't working hard enough, the Dems prefer to appeal to the progressive and minority votes by claiming it's racial, sexual, or orientational because that gets them more votes.

The truth is it hasn't been about race, sex, or orientation for quite a few decades now. That wasn't the case in the 60s or earlier, but it is the case now. The only thing that matters now is the status of your wealth; anything else comes secondary or is completely trivial. A poor, white man is just as likely to struggle in America as any other poor person of any demographic. That's all that matters now: keeping us filthy poors in our place.

Yes, there is a correlation between white men and privilege because most rich folk in the country are white men who've had two centuries to build that wealth without any impediments because of their race or sex. Surprise, surprise men make up half the country and whites are over 70% of our population while having zero history of discrimination by the government. It's a no-brainer then that only 3-4 decades after the end of the major civil rights movements that the statistics have changed very little, but that has nothing to do with racism or any "privilege" by white men but because America's wealthy elite and Corporate America have been running this country since Reagan opened the doors for them to do so and they've been deliberately working hard to keep the poor in poverty and the rich wealthy while also destroying the middle class in order to expand poverty so they can have more slaves workers to abuse and manipulate.

Seeing as there weren't very many rich non-whites/women before the 80s (at least not compared to rich white men) it's no surprise then that there still aren't that many today what with wages remaining stagnant since the 70s, workers' rights being curtailed, and megacorps being allowed to operate with impunity while the rich funnel money into their chosen political candidate's pockets in order to secure their loyalty. It's hard to advance in status when you're deliberately being kept in the dirt.

Just about every issue with race and sex in America today is less about race and sex and more about class. Very few people legitimately care if you're white and male or not. But they care quite a bit if you're a filthy working-class poor. See according to our elite overlords the poor are nothing but criminals and welfare leeches that want free stuff and vote Blue because they like Socialism, or some other insipid nonsense.

This is America. For the Rich, by the Rich, with the Rich.

But the rest us? We don't matter.


Were you ever beaten up by cops? If not - WHITE PRIVILEGE!
Have you been discriminated against by the Government? If not - WHITE PRIVILEGE!

Wait, why's everyone laughing, several SJW's don't understand.

Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:07 pm
by San Lumen
Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Having someone whose black in the legislature would know more about issues facing their demographic and community then someone whose white

No it wouldn’t. It costs a literal fortune to get elected a rich black man isn’t going to know anything about the plight of a poor black man

That is not necessarily true

Salus Maior wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well if certain groups don’t run they can’t be elected can they? That would be a solution


Whether someone runs or not is their own choice. Should we pressure people into running if they haven't chosen to?


Parties and groups try to recruit candidates to run all the time

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:07 pm
by Thermodolia
San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Then change the electoral system

The election system isn’t the problem. What makes you think it is?

Yes it is. The current system makes it nearly impossible for anyone who’s not super rich and has the backing of the two largest parties to get elected.

Other nations have shown that if you want more minority representation then you need to have PR or something like it to obtain that equal representation

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:08 pm
by Thermodolia
La xinga wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:The parties tilt the playing field towards white candidates because they are seen as more electable, even though they aren’t.

Then why is Biden trying to pick a Black VP?

Tokenism my dude

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:09 pm
by San Lumen
Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The election system isn’t the problem. What makes you think it is?

Yes it is. The current system makes it nearly impossible for anyone who’s not super rich and has the backing of the two largest parties to get elected.

Other nations have shown that if you want more minority representation then you need to have PR or something like it to obtain that equal representation

How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:11 pm
by Thermodolia
South Odreria 2 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Intersectionality is stupid and anti worker as it divides those who have more in common with eachother based on their class than the rich assholes of their race/gender.

Who do you see push intersectionality the most? I’ll give you a hint it’s not the poor or working class.

Also the “intersectional” people tend to exclude class from their analysis for some reason

Of course they do. Intersectionality is pushed by the upper class and the mega corporations to divide the poor and working class. Because what better way to keep the poor and workers from thinking about how you are fucking them than to say that one half is your enemy instead of your allies

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:11 pm
by Rojava Free State
Duvniask wrote:What I'm stating above is essentially a rather roundabout description of intersectionality, or the idea that people's advantages and disadvantages can intersect in uniquely different combinations: a poor white can be better off than a poor black, because they might not be beat up by the police or arrested as much on average, and a poor woman might end up financially worse off than a poor man due to gender roles that downplay women's role in the workplace. Obviously all of these people suffer the disadvantage of being poor, but their experiences are still different.


I'll tell you from experience that police have absolutely no qualms about beating down a poor white man. Minorities get targeted because we're poorer on average and easier prey, but i think these crooked cops will go after anyone they think they can go after, regardless of race.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:11 pm
by Ethel mermania
San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. The current system makes it nearly impossible for anyone who’s not super rich and has the backing of the two largest parties to get elected.

Other nations have shown that if you want more minority representation then you need to have PR or something like it to obtain that equal representation

How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?

The voters must of thought they were the better candidates

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:12 pm
by Rojava Free State
Thermodolia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Also the “intersectional” people tend to exclude class from their analysis for some reason

Of course they do. Intersectionality is pushed by the upper class and the mega corporations to divide the poor and working class. Because what better way to keep the poor and workers from thinking about how you are fucking them than to say that one half is your enemy instead of your allies


Basically "I'm rich and black and I'm a politician and a former fortune 500 company owner but look at how I'm oppressed. Some rando on 8chan called me the n word."

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:12 pm
by Thermodolia
Salus Maior wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They definitely don’t. A rich white dude won’t be able to represent a poor white guy at all


A poor guy would never have the resources to run an effective campaign. A truly representative government is an illusion, it's never going to happen.

Because there's always going to be a political class; those who are advantaged with the power and resources to maintain and gain positions in the government.

Well for starters I think electoralism is stupid so there’s that.

Second I was more arguing the spirit of representation.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:14 pm
by Thermodolia
Rojava Free State wrote:
Duvniask wrote:What I'm stating above is essentially a rather roundabout description of intersectionality, or the idea that people's advantages and disadvantages can intersect in uniquely different combinations: a poor white can be better off than a poor black, because they might not be beat up by the police or arrested as much on average, and a poor woman might end up financially worse off than a poor man due to gender roles that downplay women's role in the workplace. Obviously all of these people suffer the disadvantage of being poor, but their experiences are still different.


I'll tell you from experience that police have absolutely no qualms about beating down a poor white man. Minorities get targeted because we're poorer on average and easier prey, but i think these crooked cops will go after anyone they think they can go after, regardless of race.

I got threatened by a power hungry cop because I had my music blasting in my truck. I wasn’t doing anything but driving with my windows rolled down doing the speed limit and I got threatened with a shit ton of crap

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:14 pm
by Thermodolia
San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. The current system makes it nearly impossible for anyone who’s not super rich and has the backing of the two largest parties to get elected.

Other nations have shown that if you want more minority representation then you need to have PR or something like it to obtain that equal representation

How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?

Anomalies happen.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:15 pm
by San Lumen
Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?

The voters must of thought they were the better candidates

Exactly my point. The lower house in Colorado is also majority women

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:15 pm
by South Odreria 2
We need sortition to decide important issues

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:16 pm
by Thermodolia
San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No it wouldn’t. It costs a literal fortune to get elected a rich black man isn’t going to know anything about the plight of a poor black man

That is not necessarily true

It definitely is true. A poor black man will always have more in common with a pope white man than with a rich black man

Salus Maior wrote:
Whether someone runs or not is their own choice. Should we pressure people into running if they haven't chosen to?


Parties and groups try to recruit candidates to run all the time

It’s still their decision to run or not and nobody is forcing them

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:16 pm
by Salus Maior
San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes it is. The current system makes it nearly impossible for anyone who’s not super rich and has the backing of the two largest parties to get elected.

Other nations have shown that if you want more minority representation then you need to have PR or something like it to obtain that equal representation

How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?


Female =/= poor. Which was the crux of his point.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:17 pm
by Thermodolia
South Odreria 2 wrote:We need sortition to decide important issues

Nah just make me General Secretary of the United Socialist Republics of America

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:17 pm
by Rojava Free State
Thermodolia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Were you ever beaten up by cops? If not - WHITE PRIVILEGE!
Have you been discriminated against by the Government? If not - WHITE PRIVILEGE!

Wait, why's everyone laughing, several SJW's don't understand.

Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”


Never been beaten by cops but one almost shot me and my brother and many have harassed me.

I know people who have been beaten by cops. Many were black but some were white too, and all my homies watch out for the feds.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:18 pm
by South Odreria 2
Thermodolia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:We need sortition to decide important issues

Nah just make me General Secretary of the United Socialist Republics of America

Not mutually exclusive

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:18 pm
by Thermodolia
Salus Maior wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How did Nevada manage to elect a female majority legislature then?


Female =/= poor. Which was the crux of his point.

#morewomenwarcriminals!!

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:19 pm
by Salus Maior
Thermodolia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:We need sortition to decide important issues

Nah just make me General Secretary of the United Socialist Republics of America


Wouldn't that just be military rule?