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Postby Duvniask » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:40 pm

Atheris wrote:Ooh. Shocker. The largest group in the America has the most people in American legislation. Wow. I totally didn't see this coming. And on such a big topic, too! This will surely change the fate of America forever! Wow! I can't believe this!

???

The gender ratio is 0.97 male(s)/female and white males make up only 31% of the US population, compared to white women who are 32%.

What you're saying is just factually untrue, unless you're just speaking about whites in general, but that's to reduce the picture only to race, and it ignores the actual issue being raised which is that of disproportionality.

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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:43 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Atheris wrote:Ooh. Shocker. The largest group in the America has the most people in American legislation. Wow. I totally didn't see this coming. And on such a big topic, too! This will surely change the fate of America forever! Wow! I can't believe this!

???

The gender ratio is 0.97 male(s)/female and white males make up only 31% of the US population, compared to white women who are 32%.

What you're saying is just factually untrue, unless you're just speaking about whites in general, but that's to reduce the picture only to race, and it ignores the actual issue being raised which is that of disproportionality.

Then encourage more nonwhites and women to run?

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Postby Duvniask » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:48 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Duvniask wrote:???

The gender ratio is 0.97 male(s)/female and white males make up only 31% of the US population, compared to white women who are 32%.

What you're saying is just factually untrue, unless you're just speaking about whites in general, but that's to reduce the picture only to race, and it ignores the actual issue being raised which is that of disproportionality.

Then encourage more nonwhites and women to run?

What does "encourage" even mean in this context? Just telling more people to run won't change anything, because the problem lies not just with how many people (and who) are running, it lies with wider issues of biases that place the already dominant group at the top of the political hierarchy and party apparatuses that don't care to challenge the status quo.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:57 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Duvniask wrote:???

The gender ratio is 0.97 male(s)/female and white males make up only 31% of the US population, compared to white women who are 32%.

What you're saying is just factually untrue, unless you're just speaking about whites in general, but that's to reduce the picture only to race, and it ignores the actual issue being raised which is that of disproportionality.

Then encourage more nonwhites and women to run?

Your starting to see that. A record number of women and non whites are running this year

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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:00 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Then encourage more nonwhites and women to run?

What does "encourage" even mean in this context? Just telling more people to run won't change anything, because the problem lies not just with how many people (and who) are running, it lies with wider issues of biases that place the already dominant group at the top of the political hierarchy and party apparatuses that don't care to challenge the status quo.

Okay, based on the link you've given, your issue is that they aren't elected. It's a valid question. I can't think of a solution other than a conscious decision from the person to choose their candidate according to their platform and track record. I don't think one should be elected because they are a man, or a woman, or white, or black. Otherwise, will it come to the point where people can vote according to their conscience, as long as the composition of winners adhere to proportionality quotas?

San Lumen wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Then encourage more nonwhites and women to run?

Your starting to see that. A record number of women and non whites are running this year

Good. It's progress.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:Then encourage more nonwhites and women to run?

Your starting to see that. A record number of women and non whites are running this year

It seems like the disparity is being solved already then, which is nice.

Hopefully it is natural and not artificial.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:10 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Your starting to see that. A record number of women and non whites are running this year

It seems like the disparity is being solved already then, which is nice.

Hopefully it is natural and not artificial.

What do you mean by natural and not artificial?

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:It seems like the disparity is being solved already then, which is nice.

Hopefully it is natural and not artificial.

What do you mean by natural and not artificial?

I mean that I hope they are running based on policy positions and not their physical characteristics (gender and race).
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I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:31 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What do you mean by natural and not artificial?

I mean that I hope they are running based on policy positions and not their physical characteristics (gender and race).


I would hope so. I have never heard of nor seen anyone say vote for me because im not white or a man.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:00 pm

Aureumterra wrote:I love how this thread, about an extremely trivial matter has been going for more than 20 pages


I love how some posters drop in to say that they have nothing to say. But just to make the thread go a little longer.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:15 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I love how this thread, about an extremely trivial matter has been going for more than 20 pages


I love how some posters drop in to say that they have nothing to say. But just to make the thread go a little longer.

I love occasional passive-aggressive comments that don't really contribute much like the one you're reading right now.
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Postby Latvijas Otra Republika » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:39 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:I love how this thread, about an extremely trivial matter has been going for more than 20 pages


I love how some posters drop in to say that they have nothing to say. But just to make the thread go a little longer.

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Postby Arzt0zka » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:50 am

it's almost like whites are a majority in the USA and therefore elect white representatives, who would ever guess that?

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:51 am

Latvijas Otra Republika wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
I love how some posters drop in to say that they have nothing to say. But just to make the thread go a little longer.

Who hurt you my guy, whenever I come on nsg you’re saying this sort of thing to ppl. Lashing out ain’t a cure.


Aureumterra started it:

Aureumterra wrote:I love how this thread, about an extremely trivial matter has been going for more than 20 pages


And you think you can end it? Who the fuck even are you?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:36 am

Diarcesia wrote:
Duvniask wrote:What does "encourage" even mean in this context? Just telling more people to run won't change anything, because the problem lies not just with how many people (and who) are running, it lies with wider issues of biases that place the already dominant group at the top of the political hierarchy and party apparatuses that don't care to challenge the status quo.

Okay, based on the link you've given, your issue is that they aren't elected. It's a valid question. I can't think of a solution other than a conscious decision from the person to choose their candidate according to their platform and track record. I don't think one should be elected because they are a man, or a woman, or white, or black. Otherwise, will it come to the point where people can vote according to their conscience, as long as the composition of winners adhere to proportionality quotas?

San Lumen wrote:Your starting to see that. A record number of women and non whites are running this year

Good. It's progress.

Yes it is.

Arzt0zka wrote:it's almost like whites are a majority in the USA and therefore elect white representatives, who would ever guess that?

And your point is?

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Head start = favouritism. It's still stacking the deck in favour of a particular candidate.

How?

La xinga wrote:Why should we get more women and non whites to vote? Why should we care about race?


Why shouldn’t we get more women and non whites to vote? why shouldn’t we have more women and non whites running for office?

I’m still curious Lumen why there should be a special effort to get the majority of voters (women) to vote more. Wouldn’t that dilute the voice of the minority (men)?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:39 am

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How?



Why shouldn’t we get more women and non whites to vote? why shouldn’t we have more women and non whites running for office?

I’m still curious Lumen why there should be a special effort to get the majority of voters (women) to vote more. Wouldn’t that dilute the voice of the minority (men)?


You encourage people to vote more as a whole then there is no so called dilution

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:I’m still curious Lumen why there should be a special effort to get the majority of voters (women) to vote more. Wouldn’t that dilute the voice of the minority (men)?


You encourage people to vote more as a whole then there is no so called dilution

A good goal.

But it’s like this - you want to encourage specifically women to vote more, despite them having the majority of the vote for thirty years. To put it in racial terms:

An effort specifically to get more black people voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more white people voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Similarly,

An effort specifically to get more men voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more women voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Make sense?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:14 am

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You encourage people to vote more as a whole then there is no so called dilution

A good goal.

But it’s like this - you want to encourage specifically women to vote more, despite them having the majority of the vote for thirty years. To put it in racial terms:

An effort specifically to get more black people voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more white people voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Similarly,

An effort specifically to get more men voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more women voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Make sense?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:16 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Galloism wrote:A good goal.

But it’s like this - you want to encourage specifically women to vote more, despite them having the majority of the vote for thirty years. To put it in racial terms:

An effort specifically to get more black people voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more white people voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Similarly,

An effort specifically to get more men voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more women voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Make sense?

Mandatory Voting. You don’t vote you don’t get government benefits

How about no? No one should be forced to vote. I dont want someone who knows absolutely nothing about whose running or government and doesnt care to know voting

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:17 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Galloism wrote:A good goal.

But it’s like this - you want to encourage specifically women to vote more, despite them having the majority of the vote for thirty years. To put it in racial terms:

An effort specifically to get more black people voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more white people voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Similarly,

An effort specifically to get more men voting makes sense. They’re underrepresented in the voting population.
An effort to get more people to vote in general makes sense.
An effort specifically to get more women voting is slightly suspicious. They’re already over represented in the voting population.

Make sense?

Mandatory Voting. You don’t vote you don’t get government benefits

Based.

Should have an exemption though for religious convictions, and the rare case we should actually take away the right to vote (conviction for vote/election fraud).
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:19 am

Galloism wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Mandatory Voting. You don’t vote you don’t get government benefits

Based.

Should have an exemption though for religious convictions, and the rare case we should actually take away the right to vote (conviction for vote/election fraud).

Nope. No exemptions. Those convicted of electoral fraud get government benefits removed along with their right to vote
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Mandatory Voting. You don’t vote you don’t get government benefits

How about no? No one should be forced to vote. I dont want someone who knows absolutely nothing about whose running or government and doesnt care to know voting

Well mandatory voting is the only way where you’ll truly get a representative vote from the population. If you don’t want to do the hard thing then you can stop complaining about the fact that minorities don’t vote
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How about no? No one should be forced to vote. I dont want someone who knows absolutely nothing about whose running or government and doesnt care to know voting

Well mandatory voting is the only way where you’ll truly get a representative vote from the population. If you don’t want to do the hard thing then you can stop complaining about the fact that minorities don’t vote


If a majority of the population votes I consider that representative.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well mandatory voting is the only way where you’ll truly get a representative vote from the population. If you don’t want to do the hard thing then you can stop complaining about the fact that minorities don’t vote


If a majority of the population votes I consider that representative.

Whites are still a majority of the population. If only white people voted in the US it would still be a majority and according to your logic representative of the population because it’s a majority so it’s fine
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