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Alcala-Cordel wrote:

Diarcesia wrote:It does feel like that if the equality is done not by bringing up the disadvantaged, but by pulling down the advantaged.

When you balance a scale, do you bend it so both arms are facing down or do you take some weight off the part with more and add it to the top? It's impossible for everyone to be the privileged class unless there is no privileged class.

Diarcesia wrote:

Alcala-Cordel wrote:When you balance a scale, do you bend it so both arms are facing down or do you take some weight off the part with more and add it to the top? It's impossible for everyone to be the privileged class unless there is no privileged class.

There should be no privileged class by extending the privileges of the privileged to everyone. The other way around, in its logical conclusion, leads to a state of equality where everyone is poor.

Alcala-Cordel wrote:

Diarcesia wrote:There should be no privileged class by extending the privileges of the privileged to everyone. The other way around, in its logical conclusion, leads to a state of equality where everyone is poor.

It's not possible to make everyone upper-class.The upper class is the product of hierarchy and exploitation, with the richest robbing the workers beneath them of the value of their labor ("profit").

That being said, we don't all need to be poor either. It is possible to be middle class without exploiting others

Diarcesia wrote:

Alcala-Cordel wrote:It's not possible to make everyone upper-class.The upper class is the product of hierarchy and exploitation, with the richest robbing the workers beneath them of the value of their labor ("profit").

That being said, we don't all need to be poor either. It is possible to be middle class without exploiting others

That's more what I have in mind really...

Bear Stearns wrote:Because whiteness is by it's very nature, in fact, violence, white men in positions of power by default represent an oppressive occupying force, even ones who claim to be Allies. And because these white men live in a system where even if they are no longer in politics, their whiteness still oppresses people by virtue of them taking up the physical and mental spaces of People of Color whenever they make their presence known in public. And because they are oppressing people stolen land, all of their earned and inherited wealth is stolen too.

Therefore, the only solution that would be a first step towards justice is not only for any white male to resign from any position of authority he has, but also to relinquish his property to People Color and then promptly kill himself.

If you are a white male and do not take this affirmative stance towards justice, your silence will be viewed as consent with this oppressive system and you will be considered hostile.

/s

Bear Stearns wrote:Because whiteness is by it's very nature, in fact, violence, white men in positions of power by default represent an oppressive occupying force, even ones who claim to be Allies. And because these white men live in a system where even if they are no longer in politics, their whiteness still oppresses people by virtue of them taking up the physical and mental spaces of People of Color whenever they make their presence known in public. And because they are oppressing people stolen land, all of their earned and inherited wealth is stolen too.

Therefore, the only solution that would be a first step towards justice is not only for any white male to resign from any position of authority he has, but also to relinquish his property to People Color and then promptly kill himself.

If you are a white male and do not take this affirmative stance towards justice, your silence will be viewed as consent with this oppressive system and you will be considered hostile.

/s

Arkhane wrote:Studies also find that the African nations and governments are dominated by black men.
Quite a shock to me too.

Duvniask wrote:Holy shit, all the thoughtless people coming out the woodwork in this thread.

"Why should we care"

Do you guys not understand why it's good to have governments that are representative and in touch with the concerns of the public? What the fuck.

Adamede wrote:For those who have a problem with the racial makeup of American government, how would you solve the problem?

The Lone Alliance wrote:I wonder how many State Legislatures are dominated by rich people?

I'm betting almost all of them, clearly this means we need more poor Legislatures.... said no one ever.

But yes that is likely why most State Legislatures are white, because more white people have more wealth and you need a lot of wealth to run for office.

The Lone Alliance wrote:

Duvniask wrote:Holy shit, all the thoughtless people coming out the woodwork in this thread.

"Why should we care"

Do you guys not understand why it's good to have governments that are representative and in touch with the concerns of the public? What the fuck.

You're buying into the bigoted mindset that the only way to be in touch with someone is to share their skin color, genitals, or sexual identity... you can share all that and still be a complete heartless sociopath.... like a lot of politicians are.

Duvniask wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote:You're buying into the bigoted mindset that the only way to be in touch with someone is to share their skin color, genitals, or sexual identity... you can share all that and still be a complete heartless sociopath.... like a lot of politicians are.

Show me where I said anything like "the only way to be in touch with someone is to share their skin color, genitals, or sexual identity".

Reading essentialism into what I said is just a strawman. The point is that a bunch of old white men aren't going to necessarily understand the concerns of other groups, they'll probably focus more on issues that, you know, old white men care about.

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:

Duvniask wrote:Show me where I said anything like "the only way to be in touch with someone is to share their skin color, genitals, or sexual identity".

Reading essentialism into what I said is just a strawman. The point is that a bunch of old white men aren't going to necessarily understand the concerns of other groups, they'll probably focus more on issues that, you know, old white men care about.

White people not being smart enough to understand the complex thinkin of us coloured folks bullshit again. Its not like they could ask, or any of a million ways to work shit out.

Stop being so fucking racist.

Aureumterra wrote:

Bear Stearns wrote:Because whiteness is by it's very nature, in fact, violence, white men in positions of power by default represent an oppressive occupying force, even ones who claim to be Allies. And because these white men live in a system where even if they are no longer in politics, their whiteness still oppresses people by virtue of them taking up the physical and mental spaces of People of Color whenever they make their presence known in public. And because they are oppressing people stolen land, all of their earned and inherited wealth is stolen too.

Therefore, the only solution that would be a first step towards justice is not only for any white male to resign from any position of authority he has, but also to relinquish his property to People Color and then promptly kill himself.

If you are a white male and do not take this affirmative stance towards justice, your silence will be viewed as consent with this oppressive system and you will be considered hostile.

/s

Some sociology professor somewhere in Sweden has probably said this word for word

Arkhane wrote:Studies also find that the African nations and governments are dominated by black men.
Quite a shock to me too.

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:

Adamede wrote:For those who have a problem with the racial makeup of American government, how would you solve the problem?

Me, I'd start with my party. Before anyone can get into government, they have to win a primary election where the voters are mostly members of my party. I'd start with my party.

Adamede wrote:

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Me, I'd start with my party. Before anyone can get into government, they have to win a primary election where the voters are mostly members of my party. I'd start with my party.

So you're telling me that you'd determine who represents you party primarily through what, race?

Soiled fruit roll ups wrote:

Duvniask wrote:Show me where I said anything like "the only way to be in touch with someone is to share their skin color, genitals, or sexual identity".

Reading essentialism into what I said is just a strawman. The point is that a bunch of old white men aren't going to necessarily understand the concerns of other groups, they'll probably focus more on issues that, you know, old white men care about.

White people not being smart enough to understand the complex thinkin of us coloured folks bullshit again. Its not like they could ask, or any of a million ways to work shit out.

Stop being so fucking racist.

San Lumen wrote:

Adamede wrote:So you're telling me that you'd determine who represents you party primarily through what, race?

I think what they are referring to is a closed primary. Only registered members of that party can chose its nominees

Adamede wrote:

San Lumen wrote:I think what they are referring to is a closed primary. Only registered members of that party can chose its nominees

So what already happens? How would that change the racial makeup of your party's representatives necessarily?

Elwher wrote:Let me see if I've got this.

If I vote for a White politician because he is White I am a racist.

If a Black voter votes for a Black politician because he is Black, he is expressing solidarity.

Right.