Study finds State Legislatures Dominated By white Men

[Diarcesia]

We need sortition to decide important issues

A plus side on that is that people would actually be prepared in case they are selected for public service, willing or not.

[Thermodolia]

Nah just make me General Secretary of the United Socialist Republics of America

Wouldn't that just be military rule?

No... no... why would you think that?

[Rojava Free State]

Female =/= poor. Which was the crux of his point.

#morewomenwarcriminals!!

Hey guys let's replace our legislature with women and people of color. They may be as corrupt as those who came before them but at least it'll be a change in scenery.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Why not adopt PR and encourage inter-characteristic dialogue/understanding? I feel like that’s a decent solution.

[The Two Jerseys]

Female =/= poor. Which was the crux of his point.

#morewomenwarcriminals!!

And we should put a greater number of women on trial in order to fill that war criminal gap. *nods*

[San Lumen]

That is not necessarily true

It definitely is true. A poor black man will always have more in common with a pope white man than with a rich black man

Parties and groups try to recruit candidates to run all the time

It’s still their decision to run or not and nobody is forcing them

No one should be forced to run for office but to blame the system is an easy way out. Local offices such as mayors are largely male and white too. That has changed in recent years though.

What is your solution for that?

[Thermodolia]

Why not adopt PR and encourage inter-characteristic dialogue/understanding? I feel like that’s a decent solution.

That makes too much sense.

Plus it means that you’d have to have coalitions and some people on here don’t like that

[The Two Jerseys]

It definitely is true. A poor black man will always have more in common with a pope white man than with a rich black man


It’s still their decision to run or not and nobody is forcing them

No one should be forced to run for office but to blame the system is an easy way out. Local offices such as mayors are largely male and white too. That has changed in recent years though.

What is your solution for that?

Sounds like a solution in search of a problem...

[Duvniask]

There is a wealth of data that disagrees with your childish assertions, some of it being shared right on this forum (courtesy of Gravlen).

I swear, you people have zero understanding of what's meant by privilege as a social tendency; it's precisely that, a tendency, not an absolute proclamation that all men have power or that all men have higher status than women (or in the case of race, that whites by neccesity have these things). Get it right, and don't make these stupid mischaracterizations another time.

In what sense is the assertion childish? The data doesn't exactly contradict Trollzyn's argument that it's rich privilege at work, in conjunction or in place of white supremacy.

How exactly do things like police stopping black drivers more have anything to do with rich privilege (and then not doing so when it's dark and they can't see who they're stopping)?

Spoiler: it doesn't.

What? No.

I'm saying black people in the US are especially disadvantaged because of the legacy of slavery (meaning white privilege is certainly tied into the legacy of slavery). Slavery obviously prevented black communities from building up any sort of accumulated wealth and prevented their access to education and government, and that meant a lack of accumulated wealth to pass down to their descendants, a lack of education and a lack of representation, which in concert produced a ripple effect still being felt today, as Black people are poorer on average than Whites; they were disadvantaged from the get-go. Combine this with racial bias itself, deliberate or otherwise, and you get a black community that is on average poorer, less well-educated, has a lower standard of living and isn't represented in government (as we can clearly see from the data presented in the OP).

NSG is MISSING THE POINT (or, rather, that there ISN'T ONE) yet again.

State legislatures mean nothing. There are a lot of states. Most of them don't have equal populations. Minorities are concentrated in only a few. New Hampshire has 400 representatives. New Hampshire is 94% white.

If he'd read the report he'd know that it also looks on a state-by-state basis, and there are graphs on page 9 showing the disparity and underrepresentation of "New Americans" (as they put it) by state.

And there is (obviously) no state with any gender being less than 40%, so this does not explain the gender disparity in state legislatures, where 71% are men.

[Rojava Free State]

In what sense is the assertion childish? The data doesn't exactly contradict Trollzyn's argument that it's rich privilege at work, in conjunction or in place of white supremacy.

How exactly do things like police stopping black drivers more have anything to do with rich privilege (and then not doing so when it's dark and they can't see who they're stopping)?

Spoiler: it doesn't.

If he'd read the report he'd know that it also looks on a state-by-state basis, and there are graphs on page 9 showing the disparity and underrepresentation of "New Americans" (as they put it) by state.

And there is (obviously) no state with any gender being less than 40%, so this does not explain the gender disparity in state legislatures, where 71% are men.

Maybe police stop black drivers more because they patrol those areas more. It still could be related to class more than race, like if police focus all their attention on the poor side of town.

[Duvniask]

How exactly do things like police stopping black drivers more have anything to do with rich privilege (and then not doing so when it's dark and they can't see who they're stopping)?

Spoiler: it doesn't.


If he'd read the report he'd know that it also looks on a state-by-state basis, and there are graphs on page 9 showing the disparity and underrepresentation of "New Americans" (as they put it) by state.

And there is (obviously) no state with any gender being less than 40%, so this does not explain the gender disparity in state legislatures, where 71% are men.

Maybe police stop black drivers more because they patrol those areas more. It still could be related to class more than race, like if police focus all their attention on the poor side of town.

This does not explain why the disparity in stops disappears when it turns dark and the police can't make out the race of the person they're stopping.

[Diarcesia]

In what sense is the assertion childish? The data doesn't exactly contradict Trollzyn's argument that it's rich privilege at work, in conjunction or in place of white supremacy.

How exactly do things like police stopping black drivers more have anything to do with rich privilege (and then not doing so when it's dark and they can't see who they're stopping)?

Spoiler: it doesn't.

The easiest answer is that as an aggregate, darker-skinned people are poorer in the US. i.e. The cops make a snap decision and rely on their stereotypes, and poorer people = easier to shake down.

Shock absorber: It does

[San Lumen]

How exactly do things like police stopping black drivers more have anything to do with rich privilege (and then not doing so when it's dark and they can't see who they're stopping)?

Spoiler: it doesn't.

The easiest answer is that as an aggregate, darker-skinned people are poorer in the US. i.e. The cops make a snap decision and rely on their stereotypes, and poorer people = easier to shake down.

Shock absorber: It does

This has nothing to do with the topic

[Thermodolia]

It definitely is true. A poor black man will always have more in common with a pope white man than with a rich black man


It’s still their decision to run or not and nobody is forcing them

No one should be forced to run for office but to blame the system is an easy way out. Local offices such as mayors are largely male and white too. That has changed in recent years though.

The system is the problem. To say that the system isn’t the problem is denying the root of the problem

What is your solution for that?

MMP or PR for the legislature and IRV or Two Round for things like Governor or mayor

[Diarcesia]

No one should be forced to run for office but to blame the system is an easy way out. Local offices such as mayors are largely male and white too. That has changed in recent years though.

The system is the problem. To say that the system isn’t the problem is denying the root of the problem

It is a problem if non-whites or women who want to enter politics are barred by the system.

[San Lumen]

No one should be forced to run for office but to blame the system is an easy way out. Local offices such as mayors are largely male and white too. That has changed in recent years though.

The system is the problem. To say that the system isn’t the problem is denying the root of the problem

What is your solution for that?

MMP or PR for the legislature and IRV or Two Round for things like Governor or mayor

I have no issue with MMP or IRV

[Duvniask]

Those "scars" are precisely that privilege. Jesus Christ. What do you think is meant by privilege? Do you even know what the word means?

-snip-

Nice meme. So you're just going to ignore the findings I presented to you earlier to keep spouting the same spiel that is literally contrary to empirical fact.

Lemme try with a textbook (literally featured in my statistics textbook) example of white privilege: From HMDA data collected in Boston it's very clear that Black people are denied mortgage loans, despite controlling for other factors such as their socio-economic status. Here is (from another version of my textbook) a table overview and helpful explanation of the regression data.

[San Lumen]

The system is the problem. To say that the system isn’t the problem is denying the root of the problem

It is a problem if non-whites or women who want to enter politics are barred by the system.

How are they barred?

[Ethel mermania]

The voters must of thought they were the better candidates

Exactly my point. The lower house in Colorado is also majority women

Doesnt that indicate that the system works?

[Duvniask]

Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”

Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.

What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.

[San Lumen]

Exactly my point. The lower house in Colorado is also majority women

Doesnt that indicated that the system works?

I would agree

[Diarcesia]

It is a problem if non-whites or women who want to enter politics are barred by the system.

How are they barred?

If.

[Rojava Free State]

Ive never been beaten up by the cops but I have been stopped for no good reason and threatened by several power hungry cops. So much for “muh privilege”

Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.

What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.

Trends don't equal individual experiences tho. Minorities are more likely to experience inequality but when controlled for socioeconomic standing, that inequality all but melts away.

[Duvniask]

Literally incapable of understanding what's meant by a social privilege, the people in this thread.

What use is it to argue with people who don't want to learn anything and will keep asserting their viewpoints against strawmen? I mean, this is the same level of obtuseness as "it snowed yesterday, so clearly the globe isn't warming". No, man, it has to do with societal trends which are not particularly well-assessed by your anecdotal experience.

Trends don't equal individual experiences tho. Minorities are more likely to experience inequality but when controlled for socioeconomic standing, that inequality all but melts away.

Stop and look at my post just before that one, because this is bullshit.

[San Lumen]

How are they barred?

If.

I don’t understand your point