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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:46 pm

Panslavicland wrote:I think you can learn a lot about a candidate from the sort of people backing them. In this case it makes it pretty clear what will happen in November: if you want another war in Iraq, vote for Joe Biden. If you want four more years of peace, vote for Donald Trump.

No need to wage war when Americans can get killed by the scores at home thanks to a bungled response to a looming pandemic. But let's pretend Trump won't start something with say, China if he thinks he can snag the War President Bonus for November.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:55 pm

A lot of Democrats I know think the Lincoln Project will win Biden the election, and my begging to differ hasn't really convinced them. Though this election is such a mess due to crisis politics that I can't really say whether Biden or Trump will win this one.

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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:56 pm

New Rogernomics wrote:A lot of Democrats I know think the Lincoln Project will win Biden the election, and my begging to differ hasn't really convinced them. Though this election is such a mess due to crisis politics that I can't really say whether Biden or Trump will win this one.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:00 pm

Anyone else not shocked that Shofercia's thread about Jon Stewart is not about Jon Stewart, and is just him pushing his agenda?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:03 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:Anyone else not shocked that Shofercia's thread about Jon Stewart is not about Jon Stewart, and is just him pushing his agenda?

The shocker was there wasn't a news article saying mean things about Russia involved.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:11 pm

Diopolis wrote:The past several presidents, actually.


Clinton was arguably the worst in that regard but people forget that because of the dot-com bubble.
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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:48 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:Funny video, surprised Colbert went after the Lincoln Project, usually he wouldn't, well, go that far really.

Of course the people running the Lincoln Project are superb hypocrites and blithering neocon warmongers, though I suppose I still support the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and in this case, they're also superb in providing right-leaning independents and suburban moderate Republicans an outlet against Trump and a rationale for why not to vote for him again.

In which case, more power to them, even if they're wholly opportunistic and cynical. If their goal is to bring back their brand of conservatism, it won't work, but it still very well can benefit the Democratic Party.

Unless Biden is a Manchurian Candidate there is no way they'll get to push an agenda. Getting rid of Trump is that important to them.


You do realize that these are the people who said "we'll be greeted as Liberators" and actually believed it, right? They still can't forgive Obama for the Iran Peace Deal, and not invading more countries during the Arab Spring.


Neanderthaland wrote:Anyone else not shocked that Shofercia's thread about Jon Stewart is not about Jon Stewart, and is just him pushing his agenda?


The show was done in the style of Jon Stewart, and last time I checked, most people believe that a show in the style of Jon Stewart is about Jon Stewart. The facts also agree. Kind of hilarious how the only thing Neocons and their ilk can do is run personal attacks, and then complain about how toxic the debate environment is becoming. The Lincoln Project are the very definition of hypocrites, and you have nothing to rebut that with, because it's true. So what can you do? Petty and pathetic personal attacks. That's just:

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Neanderthaland wrote:Anyone else not shocked that Shofercia's thread about Jon Stewart is not about Jon Stewart, and is just him pushing his agenda?

The shocker was there wasn't a news article saying mean things about Russia involved.


As I've told you before, stop projecting. You're the one who's always batting for Clinton. When I agree with Russia, I defend Russia, and when I disagree, I don't. Although granted, if Putin was the type of candidate that failed to write his own concession speech when the outcome was in doubt, I could see why he would need constant defending to butter up his imagined self esteem.


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Diopolis wrote:The past several presidents, actually.


Clinton was arguably the worst in that regard but people forget that because of the dot-com bubble.


Very true. He also started shifting the Democratic Party away from blue collar workers, a shift, that, ironically, cost his wife the election due to the loss of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:49 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Unless Biden is a Manchurian Candidate there is no way they'll get to push an agenda. Getting rid of Trump is that important to them.


Ousting Trump represents a chance for neocons to return to power. It's a long con.


I think you're highly overestimating the prowess and influence of modern-day neocons, they've effectively been purged from their own party, and Dems really will only work w them in an opportunistic fashion (IE allowing them to criticize Trump but not exactly being inclusive towards them in regards to the Democratic Party).

I think the neocons behind the Lincoln Project are making a huge miscalculation if yours(and others) speculation that it's for their ultimate resurgence is right - regardless, I don't really give a shit. They're currently helping the Democratic Party more than they're helping themselves or their brand, so more power to 'em.
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Postby Rusozak » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:57 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:I wouldn't characterize the past few years (and particularly the past few weeks) as "peaceful"...


Well, we haven't started any new wars around the globe...that's a good start after the bloodshed under The Lightworker.


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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:00 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Ousting Trump represents a chance for neocons to return to power. It's a long con.


I think you're highly overestimating the prowess and influence of modern-day neocons, they've effectively been purged from their own party, and Dems really will only work w them in an opportunistic fashion (IE allowing them to criticize Trump but not exactly being inclusive towards them in regards to the Democratic Party).

I think the neocons behind the Lincoln Project are making a huge miscalculation if yours(and others) speculation that it's for their ultimate resurgence is right - regardless, I don't really give a shit. They're currently helping the Democratic Party more than they're helping themselves or their brand, so more power to 'em.


But are they? There are people who hate Neocons more than Trump, and if they see Neocons helping Democrats, they will help Republicans to nullify any Neocon aid; perhaps they'll go beyond, and help Trump to punish Democrats for accepting Neocon aid. I've yet to see a scientific study that they're actually hurting Trump.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:14 am

Panslavicland wrote:I think you can learn a lot about a candidate from the sort of people backing them.

The KKK endorsed Obama. Does this make Obama a Klansman?
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Postby Cameroi » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:21 am

nostelgia?
while i'm all too well aware of what feels so good when it stops not having yet done so,
i'm rather completely in the dark as to what jon stewart has to do with it.
nor of anything dire having happened to him. unless its like within the past six hours or so.
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Postby Panslavicland » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:56 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Panslavicland wrote:I think you can learn a lot about a candidate from the sort of people backing them.

The KKK endorsed Obama. Does this make Obama a Klansman?


No, but it does show the inherent racism of the Democrat party.

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I like when liberals and leftists weren't so woke and PC, and it was the conservatives who were censoring, canceling, and discriminating against everyone. I like how we liberals used to be unambiguously the "good guys". I like when America reigned supreme, China was much more restrained and well-behaved than it is now (relatively speaking), the Soviet Union was no more, and Western-style democracy was spreading in all directions.
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Postby Gormwood » Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:04 am

Panslavicland wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:The KKK endorsed Obama. Does this make Obama a Klansman?


No, but it does show the inherent racism of the Democrat party.

The Democrats called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers?
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:25 am

Cameroi wrote:nostelgia?
while i'm all too well aware of what feels so good when it stops not having yet done so,
i'm rather completely in the dark as to what jon stewart has to do with it.
nor of anything dire having happened to him. unless its like within the past six hours or so.


It was done very much in the style of Jon Stewart. Check out the Stewart-Cramer interview if you want a comparison.


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Panslavicland wrote:
No, but it does show the inherent racism of the Democrat party.

The Democrats called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers?


Last time I checked, George Floyd was murdered by systemic racism on a state run level in Minnesota, a state with a Democratic Governor, a Democratic State Assembly, where Republicans had a whopping one person major in the State Senate, where the Democrat State Attorney said that "we must not rush to Justice" as America was no fire, but hey, none of them engaged in name calling, so no racism, eh Gormwood? Wasn't it also Minnesota's Democratic Senator, Amy Klobuchar, who refused to prosecute Derek Chauvin?

California's hard core Democrat, and our prison system is absurdly anti black. But instead of realizing all those who were imprisoned for made up marijuana crimes, the major being black males, our Democratic Governor is randomly releasing thousands of prisoners due to COVID-19, and that way, a poor black male can get his car stolen, be infected with COVID-19, and be discriminated against by the police, all in the span of an hour!
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Postby Panslavicland » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:56 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The Democrats called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers?


Last time I checked, George Floyd was murdered by systemic racism on a state run level in Minnesota, a state with a Democratic Governor, a Democratic State Assembly, where Republicans had a whopping one person major in the State Senate, where the Democrat State Attorney said that "we must not rush to Justice" as America was no fire, but hey, none of them engaged in name calling, so no racism, eh Gormwood? Wasn't it also Minnesota's Democratic Senator, Amy Klobuchar, who refused to prosecute Derek Chauvin?

California's hard core Democrat, and our prison system is absurdly anti black. But instead of realizing all those who were imprisoned for made up marijuana crimes, the major being black males, our Democratic Governor is randomly releasing thousands of prisoners due to COVID-19, and that way, a poor black male can get his car stolen, be infected with COVID-19, and be discriminated against by the police, all in the span of an hour!


George Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, not by "systemic racism". "Systemic racism" isn't even a real thing in America in 2020, its just woke SJW nonsense peddled by BLM and other groups who ignore the real reasons why so many black people are killed by the police or end up in prison.

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Postby Shofercia » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:16 pm

Panslavicland wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Last time I checked, George Floyd was murdered by systemic racism on a state run level in Minnesota, a state with a Democratic Governor, a Democratic State Assembly, where Republicans had a whopping one person major in the State Senate, where the Democrat State Attorney said that "we must not rush to Justice" as America was no fire, but hey, none of them engaged in name calling, so no racism, eh Gormwood? Wasn't it also Minnesota's Democratic Senator, Amy Klobuchar, who refused to prosecute Derek Chauvin?

California's hard core Democrat, and our prison system is absurdly anti black. But instead of realizing all those who were imprisoned for made up marijuana crimes, the major being black males, our Democratic Governor is randomly releasing thousands of prisoners due to COVID-19, and that way, a poor black male can get his car stolen, be infected with COVID-19, and be discriminated against by the police, all in the span of an hour!


George Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, not by "systemic racism". "Systemic racism" isn't even a real thing in America in 2020, its just woke SJW nonsense peddled by BLM and other groups who ignore the real reasons why so many black people are killed by the police or end up in prison.


Systemic racism is real, insofar as we're talking about cops and black males. My point is that it's real in Democratic and Republican states, so blaming just one party for it, is quite silly. What about Philando Castille? Here's a link that documented some of the more atrocious instances: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2 ... index.html

Of course the solution is to remove qualified immunity if the arrest has a racial basis, rather than to defund the police. The solution is to undo the damage from the drug war, rather than to make everyone feel like a victim or oppressor. The solution is to actually let the Jury see the camera footage, rather than using cameras as ornaments.

And yeah, there's a fuckton of SJW nonsense, i.e. "don't call them a xxx, call them an African American" - here's one: how about call them whatever the fuck you want, but don't call the cops on them, and treat them like human beings. SJWs focus so much on what's said, rather than what's done, that I have a hard time taking most of the lingo seriously. You can set up a set of circumstances that can make a transgender individual homeless and addicted to drugs, and you'll be fine, as long as you're using proper pronouns.

Even the study's wording like "Latinx" which was made up to avoid "oppressing" Latinas from being called "Latinos" when they're part of a group that includes Latinos, even though that's the rule in most languages, including countries where women are quite powerful. How about paying Latinas minimum wage? Can't do that, we don't want to hurt the business interests, but we'll now call them "Latinx" and wish them best of luck finding food for their kids as we increase their rent, or decrease their quality of living.
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Postby Panslavicland » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:44 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Panslavicland wrote:
George Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, not by "systemic racism". "Systemic racism" isn't even a real thing in America in 2020, its just woke SJW nonsense peddled by BLM and other groups who ignore the real reasons why so many black people are killed by the police or end up in prison.


Systemic racism is real, insofar as we're talking about cops and black males. My point is that it's real in Democratic and Republican states, so blaming just one party for it, is quite silly. What about Philando Castille? Here's a link that documented some of the more atrocious instances: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2 ... index.html

Of course the solution is to remove qualified immunity if the arrest has a racial basis, rather than to defund the police. The solution is to undo the damage from the drug war, rather than to make everyone feel like a victim or oppressor. The solution is to actually let the Jury see the camera footage, rather than using cameras as ornaments.

And yeah, there's a fuckton of SJW nonsense, i.e. "don't call them a xxx, call them an African American" - here's one: how about call them whatever the fuck you want, but don't call the cops on them, and treat them like human beings. SJWs focus so much on what's said, rather than what's done, that I have a hard time taking most of the lingo seriously. You can set up a set of circumstances that can make a transgender individual homeless and addicted to drugs, and you'll be fine, as long as you're using proper pronouns.

Even the study's wording like "Latinx" which was made up to avoid "oppressing" Latinas from being called "Latinos" when they're part of a group that includes Latinos, even though that's the rule in most languages, including countries where women are quite powerful. How about paying Latinas minimum wage? Can't do that, we don't want to hurt the business interests, but we'll now call them "Latinx" and wish them best of luck finding food for their kids as we increase their rent, or decrease their quality of living.


I notice none of those listed in the Al-Jazeera article are white. Could that be because no white people get shot by the police? Of course not, the police shoot plenty of white people as well. So where is the evidence of systemic racism, that black people are deliberately targeted by the police because the police are racist? It doesn't exist. In fact, in a study by Michigan State University, https://research.msu.edu/the-truth-behind-racial-disparties-in-fatal-police-shootings/, it was found that there is no evidence that the police are systemically racist and that black police were just as likely to shoot black men as white police. But you don't even need to conduct research for a university to know the police are not systemically racist, you can just use your eyes. The chief of supposedly systemically racist Minneapolis police? Black. What about the Chicago police, another group BLM accuses of being systemically racist? It has a black superintendent of police, a black DA, operating under a black mayor. So these places where black people routinely find themselves in positions of power are systemically racist? No, of course not. How ridiculous.

The solution is for Democrats and their SJW allies to stop acting like black people aren't capable of taking responsibility for their own problems and that they are the victims of systemic racism that white people need to fix and for them to start fixing their own communities.

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