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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:12 am

This video is a must see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNvuYPpX0C0

It harkens back to the days of Jon Stewart, a time that we're all greatly nostalgic for. I loved it. Long story short, the video points out the Lincoln Project as phenomenal hypocrites. For those of you who don't know, the Lincoln Project's main argument against President Trump is that he won't invade more countries and kill more people because black lives matter. The video is beautiful, as the Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson walks into every single trap. One of the segments compares Trump's Failures, including bad corruption and bad racism to Bush's Successes, including good corruption and good racism.

It also points out the most of the money raised by the Lincoln Project was wasted on luxurious salaries and luxury hotels. And it greatly humbles Rick Wilson, one of the leaders of the Lincoln Project who: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/is-it-hypocrisy/

posted pictures to Instagram featuring a cooler with the Confederate Flag and the words “The South Will Rise Again” on the top.


I'm sure Honest Abe "loved" that part. So, NSG, who's nostalgic for Jon Stewart? Who thinks that the Lincoln Project is just there to promote themselves and other Neocons? And who actually watches Tooning Out?

I'll admit, I loved the video, simply because it reminded me of the nostalgia, never been a fan of Neocons, and I'm starting to enjoy the show. Also, if you want to talk about political things that you're unironically nostalgic for, go for it!
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:00 am

I think we all need to take a step back and remind ourselves of the urgency of the Trump Presidency. Yes, the Lincoln Project is hypocritical, and we should acknowledge that if only in the name of honesty. But we should do so with a tone that still conveys appreciation of their help, regardless of their motives, against a more urgent threat to democracy and to rule of law.
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Postby Red Intria » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:23 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:I think we all need to take a step back and remind ourselves of the urgency of the Trump Presidency. Yes, the Lincoln Project is hypocritical, and we should acknowledge that if only in the name of honesty. But we should do so with a tone that still conveys appreciation of their help, regardless of their motives, against a more urgent threat to democracy and to rule of law.


So dishonouring oneself by associating oneself with hypocrites is justifiable - no, admirable - because of 'urgency.' Whatever that means.

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Why so worried? Trump didn't end any 'forever wars,' he merely did not start another one. But that is his true crime, no?

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Postby Mississippi River Country » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:02 am

I had cable when John Stewart was on. When my cable company went fully digital we pretty much stopped using them right away. Did most people do the same, or don't liberals still watch Comedy Central and cable news? I can't stand how smug all the presenters look in a youtube thumbnail. You used to tune in for a whole half an hour, but now it's like everyone confidently talks past you aqap, and I wonder what they could possibly gain from that.(??) I think everyone loses something from this decade's easy consumer categorization.

I always sensed that John Stewart and Colbert were a bit smug too. But charismatic enough to be lovable, and their shows effortfully produced. Obama's and Bush's era were more suited for them.

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Postby Shofercia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:28 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:I think we all need to take a step back and remind ourselves of the urgency of the Trump Presidency. Yes, the Lincoln Project is hypocritical, and we should acknowledge that if only in the name of honesty. But we should do so with a tone that still conveys appreciation of their help, regardless of their motives, against a more urgent threat to democracy and to rule of law.


Here's the question: are they actually helping? First, as the segment showed, they're only putting 11% of their donations to anti-Trump ads, whereas two of the other three Super-Pacs shown are putting 80% of their donations to anti-Trump ads, or more. So are their ads that much more effective, or are they simply taking money away from Super-Pacs that actually hurt Trump?

Second, they're Neocons, meaning that some people will counter their ads out of spite. Quite a few people hate the Iraq War more than Trump, and if these folks see Democrats ally with Neocons over "Orange Man Bad" it might discourage them from voting at all. There's never been a study done on whether or not Neocon support helps or hurts the DNC in the long term, whereas two out of the remaining three Super-Pacs shown definitely help the DNC, so why not donate to them instead?

We're living in a COVID-19 economy, and people have limited money to donate. Plus, what does having someone saying "the South shall rise again!" leading the Lincoln Project have to say about your party's allies?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:49 am

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:16 pm

Seeing neocons get dunked on is always refreshing.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:52 pm

Damn I didn't expect this to be funny but I acc laughed a few times. The talking heads being cartoons is a good premise in itself, writing is good too. Personally I'm nostalgic for a time before social media lol. I caught the tail end of that part of human history in my childhood (experiencing the last few years before the internet's hegemony) and I miss it already !

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:31 pm

Funny video, surprised Colbert went after the Lincoln Project, usually he wouldn't, well, go that far really.

Of course the people running the Lincoln Project are superb hypocrites and blithering neocon warmongers, though I suppose I still support the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and in this case, they're also superb in providing right-leaning independents and suburban moderate Republicans an outlet against Trump and a rationale for why not to vote for him again.

In which case, more power to them, even if they're wholly opportunistic and cynical. If their goal is to bring back their brand of conservatism, it won't work, but it still very well can benefit the Democratic Party.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:23 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Funny video, surprised Colbert went after the Lincoln Project, usually he wouldn't, well, go that far really.

Of course the people running the Lincoln Project are superb hypocrites and blithering neocon warmongers, though I suppose I still support the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and in this case, they're also superb in providing right-leaning independents and suburban moderate Republicans an outlet against Trump and a rationale for why not to vote for him again.

In which case, more power to them, even if they're wholly opportunistic and cynical. If their goal is to bring back their brand of conservatism, it won't work, but it still very well can benefit the Democratic Party.

Unless Biden is a Manchurian Candidate there is no way they'll get to push an agenda. Getting rid of Trump is that important to them.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:54 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:Funny video, surprised Colbert went after the Lincoln Project, usually he wouldn't, well, go that far really.

Of course the people running the Lincoln Project are superb hypocrites and blithering neocon warmongers, though I suppose I still support the notion of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," and in this case, they're also superb in providing right-leaning independents and suburban moderate Republicans an outlet against Trump and a rationale for why not to vote for him again.

In which case, more power to them, even if they're wholly opportunistic and cynical. If their goal is to bring back their brand of conservatism, it won't work, but it still very well can benefit the Democratic Party.

Unless Biden is a Manchurian Candidate there is no way they'll get to push an agenda. Getting rid of Trump is that important to them.


Ousting Trump represents a chance for neocons to return to power. It's a long con.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:57 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Unless Biden is a Manchurian Candidate there is no way they'll get to push an agenda. Getting rid of Trump is that important to them.


Ousting Trump represents a chance for neocons to return to power. It's a long con.

And some people hate the neocons so rabidly they're willing to help Trump get reelected.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:58 pm

Gormwood wrote:And some people hate the neocons so rabidly they're willing to help Trump get reelected.


Honestly, the neocons make Trump look like Lincoln in comparison. People seem to have forgotten how atrocious W was...
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:59 pm

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Ousting Trump represents a chance for neocons to return to power. It's a long con.

And some people hate the neocons so rabidly they're willing to help Trump get reelected.

There are other organizations to lend a hand to besides the Lincoln Project. I personally would rather not give to an organization led by a racist twat who thinks that the south will rise again, even if it is to help take down Trump.

I’ll support the hundreds of other organizations before I support them
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:00 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:And some people hate the neocons so rabidly they're willing to help Trump get reelected.


Honestly, the neocons make Trump look like Lincoln in comparison. People seem to have forgotten how atrocious W was...

I would say 130,000 Americans would disagree.
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Thermodolia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:And some people hate the neocons so rabidly they're willing to help Trump get reelected.

There are other organizations to lend a hand to besides the Lincoln Project. I personally would rather not give to an organization led by a racist twat who thinks that the south will rise again, even if it is to help take down Trump.

I’ll support the hundreds of other organizations before I support them

So who's supporting them? Don't hear about them taking donations.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:04 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:There are other organizations to lend a hand to besides the Lincoln Project. I personally would rather not give to an organization led by a racist twat who thinks that the south will rise again, even if it is to help take down Trump.

I’ll support the hundreds of other organizations before I support them

So who's supporting them? Don't hear about them taking donations.

How the fuck do you think they are able to fund their ads? It’s not like they are making shit for free
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:07 pm

Gormwood wrote:I would say 130,000 Americans would disagree.


And 300,000+ Iraqis would disagree with them.

I honestly doubt whether there would have been much difference who was President in regards to the coronavirus since the vast majority of public health policy is delegated to and handled at a state level. Not that this excuses Trump's incompetence by any means but I think we are putting too much stock in the Presidency, a mindset that desperately needs to change.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:18 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:I would say 130,000 Americans would disagree.


And 300,000+ Iraqis would disagree with them.

I honestly doubt whether there would have been much difference who was President in regards to the coronavirus since the vast majority of public health policy is delegated to and handled at a state level. Not that this excuses Trump's incompetence by any means but I think we are putting too much stock in the Presidency, a mindset that desperately needs to change.


While true, the choice to delegate that to the states was given from the administration down. Further, the Trump administration had dismantled previous pandemic response systems the lead up to the outbreak. Federal authorities also regularly commandeered supplies purchased from the states at various points. The admin hasn't been inactive, no, that would be better. They've been an active obstacle to dealing with the pandemic.

But I digress.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:23 pm

Valrifell wrote:While true, the choice to delegate that to the states was given from the administration down. Further, the Trump administration had dismantled previous pandemic response systems the lead up to the outbreak. Federal authorities also regularly commandeered supplies purchased from the states at various points. The admin hasn't been inactive, no, that would be better. They've been an active obstacle to dealing with the pandemic.

But I digress.


I think delegating it to the states is inherently a good idea given the flexibility it provides; not all circumstances are the same nationwide and it makes no sense to implement a blanket policy without considering that given the huge economic and social cost of measures taken against SARS-CoV-2.

However, now more than ever Trump seems to be throwing a hissy fit and outright obstructing things which is in all honesty infuriating.
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Postby Panslavicland » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:16 pm

I think you can learn a lot about a candidate from the sort of people backing them. In this case it makes it pretty clear what will happen in November: if you want another war in Iraq, vote for Joe Biden. If you want four more years of peace, vote for Donald Trump.

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:20 pm

Panslavicland wrote:I think you can learn a lot about a candidate from the sort of people backing them. In this case it makes it pretty clear what will happen in November: if you want another war in Iraq, vote for Joe Biden. If you want four more years of peace, vote for Donald Trump.


I wouldn't characterize the past few years (and particularly the past few weeks) as "peaceful"...
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:24 pm

The Lincoln project are giant hypocrites. News at 11.
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Postby Vetalia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:30 pm

Valrifell wrote:I wouldn't characterize the past few years (and particularly the past few weeks) as "peaceful"...


Well, we haven't started any new wars around the globe...that's a good start after the bloodshed under The Lightworker.
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Postby Diopolis » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:31 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:I wouldn't characterize the past few years (and particularly the past few weeks) as "peaceful"...


Well, we haven't started any new wars around the globe...that's a good start after the bloodshed under The Lightworker.

The past several presidents, actually.
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