Should Black Lives Matter be considered a terrorist group?

[Post War America]

The Union didn't care about slavery until 1863. The Confederates were fighting to preserve slavery. The Confederate Constitution, and several State Secession declarations make that clear. Furthermore the CS constitution explicitly forbade the creation or establishment of Free States if that wasn't clear enough.

That's the constitution, not the secession notes.

The Constitution explicitly forbids restrictions on Slavery barring a limitation of the Slave Trade to the North American continent. That should make it clear. If not Here is the manifesto of the CSA spoken by its Vice President in 1861 making clear the aims of the CSA, and here are the secession documents by state, in almost every single one they explicitly mention slavery being a cause for secession, if not they dance around the term but mean the same fucking thing. You have precisely zero fucking legs to stand on. Just the four papers on that one pace yield the term slave 83 times on a simple ctrl+f.

[Grenartia]

The Union didn't care about slavery until 1863. The Confederates were fighting to preserve slavery. The Confederate Constitution, and several State Secession declarations make that clear. Furthermore the CS constitution explicitly forbade the creation or establishment of Free States if that wasn't clear enough.

That's the constitution, not the secession notes.

CHEKCMATE, LINCOLNITES!

[La Xinga]

That's the constitution, not the secession notes.

The Constitution explicitly forbids restrictions on Slavery barring a limitation of the Slave Trade to the North American continent. That should make it clear. If not Here is the manifesto of the CSA spoken by its Vice President in 1861 making clear the aims of the CSA, and here are the secession documents by state, in almost every single one they explicitly mention slavery being a cause for secession, if not they dance around the term but mean the same fucking thing. You have precisely zero fucking legs to stand on. Just the four papers on that one pace yield the term slave 83 times on a simple ctrl+f.

Why are you linking me Georgia?

That's the constitution, not the secession notes.

CHEKCMATE, LINCOLNITES!

[Post War America]

The Constitution explicitly forbids restrictions on Slavery barring a limitation of the Slave Trade to the North American continent. That should make it clear. If not Here is the manifesto of the CSA spoken by its Vice President in 1861 making clear the aims of the CSA, and here are the secession documents by state, in almost every single one they explicitly mention slavery being a cause for secession, if not they dance around the term but mean the same fucking thing. You have precisely zero fucking legs to stand on. Just the four papers on that one pace yield the term slave 83 times on a simple ctrl+f.

Why are you linking me Georgia?

Those are the full, unedited, ordinances of secession for Georgia, Texas, Mississippi, Virginia, and South Carolina. That should be a sufficient sample size for the causes of states leaving the Union.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The Constitution explicitly forbids restrictions on Slavery barring a limitation of the Slave Trade to the North American continent. That should make it clear. If not Here is the manifesto of the CSA spoken by its Vice President in 1861 making clear the aims of the CSA, and here are the secession documents by state, in almost every single one they explicitly mention slavery being a cause for secession, if not they dance around the term but mean the same fucking thing. You have precisely zero fucking legs to stand on. Just the four papers on that one pace yield the term slave 83 times on a simple ctrl+f.

Why are you linking me Georgia?

CHEKCMATE, LINCOLNITES!

That YouTuber debunks lost cause myths. I've seen their videos.

[La Xinga]

Why are you linking me Georgia?

Those are the full, unedited, ordinances of secession for Georgia, Texas, Mississippi, Virginia, and South Carolina. That should be a sufficient sample size for the causes of states leaving the Union.

I see more than just slavery.

Why are you linking me Georgia?

That YouTuber debunks lost cause myths. I've seen their videos.

And?

[Post War America]

Those are the full, unedited, ordinances of secession for Georgia, Texas, Mississippi, Virginia, and South Carolina. That should be a sufficient sample size for the causes of states leaving the Union.

I see more than just slavery.

Alright then. Let me see some primary sources backing up your claim that it was mostly "States Rights" that caused the Southern states to secede, and before you go, I will be checking which specific states rights are being protected.

[Grenartia]

Those are the full, unedited, ordinances of secession for Georgia, Texas, Mississippi, Virginia, and South Carolina. That should be a sufficient sample size for the causes of states leaving the Union.

I see more than just slavery.

That YouTuber debunks lost cause myths. I've seen their videos.

And?

He has an entire series addressing "lost cause"-isms, called Checkmate, Lincolnites, including debunking all of the "states rights" bullshit.

[La Xinga]

I see more than just slavery.

Alright then. Let me see some primary sources backing up your claim that it was mostly "States Rights" that caused the Southern states to secede, and before you go, I will be checking which specific states rights are being protected.

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

I see more than just slavery.

And?

He has an entire series addressing "lost cause"-isms, called Checkmate, Lincolnites, including debunking all of the "states rights" bullshit.

I'm not spending an hour watching it. I have better stuff to do.

[Genivaria]

Alright then. Let me see some primary sources backing up your claim that it was mostly "States Rights" that caused the Southern states to secede, and before you go, I will be checking which specific states rights are being protected.

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

He has an entire series addressing "lost cause"-isms, called Checkmate, Lincolnites, including debunking all of the "states rights" bullshit.

I'm not spending an hour watching it. I have better stuff to do.

Because having your sacred cow debunked is scawy.

[Post War America]

Alright then. Let me see some primary sources backing up your claim that it was mostly "States Rights" that caused the Southern states to secede, and before you go, I will be checking which specific states rights are being protected.

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

I mean documents or quotes from the time, by people involved. Because I have provided nothing less than a mountain of primary sources to refute your claim.

[Grenartia]

Alright then. Let me see some primary sources backing up your claim that it was mostly "States Rights" that caused the Southern states to secede, and before you go, I will be checking which specific states rights are being protected.

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

He has an entire series addressing "lost cause"-isms, called Checkmate, Lincolnites, including debunking all of the "states rights" bullshit.

I'm not spending an hour watching it. I have better stuff to do.

But you have an hour to waste on NSG arguing about it.

[La Xinga]

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

I'm not spending an hour watching it. I have better stuff to do.

Because having your sacred cow debunked is scawy.

Sacred cow?

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

I mean documents or quotes from the time, by people involved. Because I have provided nothing less than a mountain of primary sources to refute your claim.

No people today that we know about for sure survived the civil war and still live today.

[La Xinga]

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

I'm not spending an hour watching it. I have better stuff to do.

But you have an hour to waste on NSG arguing about it.

You think I'm staying here for more than an hour?

[Post War America]

I mean documents or quotes from the time, by people involved. Because I have provided nothing less than a mountain of primary sources to refute your claim.

No people today that we know about for sure survived the civil war and still live today.

Does the concept of the written word elude you?

[Grenartia]

What do you mean by "primary sources?"

I mean documents or quotes from the time, by people involved. Because I have provided nothing less than a mountain of primary sources to refute your claim.

You know, I personally think that if one has a historical opinion, it should be considered entirely invalid if they have no fucking clue what a primay source is.

[La Xinga]

No people today that we know about for sure survived the civil war and still live today.

Does the concept of the written word elude you?

I'm sorry; what?

[Grenartia]

But you have an hour to waste on NSG arguing about it.

You think I'm staying here for more than an hour?

I'm just saying, you're doing an awful lot of talking here to be claiming you don't have the time to watch a 10 minute (not even a sixth of an hour) video.

[La Xinga]

You think I'm staying here for more than an hour?

I'm just saying, you're doing an awful lot of talking here to be claiming you don't have the time to watch a 10 minute (not even a sixth of an hour) video.

You said he has a whole series.

[Post War America]

Does the concept of the written word elude you?

I'm sorry; what?

You know, documents, writing, the physical recording of words into a written medium so that they may be preserved for posterity, that sort of thing.

[La Xinga]

I'm sorry; what?

You know, documents, writing, the physical recording of words into a written medium so that they may be preserved for posterity, that sort of thing.

If that's the case, then there is no non-primary source.

[Post War America]

You know, documents, writing, the physical recording of words into a written medium so that they may be preserved for posterity, that sort of thing.

If that's the case, then there is no non-primary source.

A quote can be written down, and documents from the time period, if directly copied (or indeed with careful editing that changes the text solely for the purposes of making it more comprehensible for modern audiences), count as primary sources. You should seriously get some to back up your point, and soon.

[Grenartia]

I'm just saying, you're doing an awful lot of talking here to be claiming you don't have the time to watch a 10 minute (not even a sixth of an hour) video.

You said he has a whole series.

Yeah, 4 videos, only 47 minutes in total, and I linked you the 3rd of the 4.

[La Xinga]

If that's the case, then there is no non-primary source.

A quote can be written down, and documents from the time period, if directly copied (or indeed with careful editing that changes the text solely for the purposes of making it more comprehensible for modern audiences), count as primary sources. You should seriously get some to back up your point, and soon.

Editing text makes it primary? If so, primary sources don't seem to be good, fella.

You said he has a whole series.

Yeah, 4 videos, only 47 minutes in total, and I linked you the 3rd of the 4.

Hmm, one second, I'll see some of them then. I didn't know a series could be just 4 vids.

[The Emerald Legion]

I'm sorry, but just because you don't have a leader doesn't make you not an organization. When you have entire groups of people marching down the street saying they want dead cops and to fry the pigs like bacon.... well.

when you make your movement vague and hard to define? Well, people are going to include the radicals with you. You have to have a clearly defined 'group' if you want security.

TIL dramatic rhetoric is terrorism.

... No. TYL calling for the murder of people and then actually going through with it several times is terrorism.