Should Black Lives Matter be considered a terrorist group?

[Punished UMN]

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

[Rusozak]

This thread is just going to go the exact same way as the "Are Antifa terrorists?" thread. Short answer, no. Some members can be terrorists, but the group as a whole is not.

[Atheris]

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

*looks at literally every civil war in history, including reconstruction*

yeah ok

[Shazbotdom]

That...is NOT how debate works. You made the claim, now you need to back it up.

Never said I was debating I've spent enough time on twitter to know that anyone who refutes my point with "evidence please" is clearly asking to have said evidence spoon fed to them. Making them look for the evidence is more.... How would one put this.... Effective. In proving the point. And I'm sick of doing everything for someone who screams "EviDEncE PlEESe"

And yet, this is a Discussion thread. Basically a Debate Thread. If you make a claim, you provide the evidence to sway others to your side. Screaming a claim and then running when people call you out on it and them asking you to provide evidence is part of honest discussion/debate.

Otherwise, you are doing nothin but bad faith posting.

[Catsfern]

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

*looks at literally every civil war in history, including reconstruction*

yeah ok

Civil wars are the last of your worries im pretty sure most acts of genocide can fall under "political violence"

[Punished UMN]

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

*looks at literally every civil war in history, including reconstruction*

yeah ok

What do you think the government does? Political pacifism?

[Andsed]

No. BLM is not some organized group acting out attacks. It is a widespread unorganized social movement. Yes there are plenty of extremist in the movement, but that does not equal the movement being a terrorist group.

[Fedel]

Would you say it's impossible that some members of BLM believe that causing terror among the population is a viable path to their ultimate goal, similar to how many members of the KKK or Islamic terrorist organizations believing that causing terror among the population is a viable path to theirs? Just curious.

What some within a movement believe doesn't define the movement's actions.

Never said it did. I only pointed out that, going by your definition, some of the individuals within BLM could reasonably be considered "terrorists."

[Arcturus Novus]

They're not a terrorist group lmfao. Even if they were that's not inherently a bad thing.

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

*looks at literally every civil war in history, including reconstruction*

yeah ok

This just in, literally every civil war that has ever happened is inherently bad and shouldn't have happened.

Also, the only bad thing about Reconstruction is that it didn't go far enough.

[Fedel]

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

Political violence can be good and it can be bad, it's all reliant on the circumstances and who that violence is being directed at.

[Fedel]

*looks at literally every civil war in history, including reconstruction*

yeah ok

What do you think the government does? Political pacifism?

I think they're simply pointing out that your statement:

Also there's nothing wrong with political violence.

Is a bit flawed or perhaps overly broad.

[Picairn]

Never said I was debating I've spent enough time on twitter to know that anyone who refutes my point with "evidence please" is clearly asking to have said evidence spoon fed to them. Making them look for the evidence is more.... How would one put this.... Effective. In proving the point. And I'm sick of doing everything for someone who screams "EviDEncE PlEESe"

BS. You make the initial claims, and now you have the responsibility to back it up. You shouldn't be afraid of people asking for evidence if you have credible proof to support your arguments. Of course, I won't be surprised if you have no evidence and are simply telling me to fuck off.

[Atheris]

That...is NOT how debate works. You made the claim, now you need to back it up.

Never said I was debating I've spent enough time on twitter to know that anyone who refutes my point with "evidence please" is clearly asking to have said evidence spoon fed to them. Making them look for the evidence is more.... How would one put this.... Effective. In proving the point. And I'm sick of doing everything for someone who screams "EviDEncE PlEESe"

...No.

[Estanglia]

A domestic terrorist organization is defined by the FBI as:

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." -Copied directly from FBI website

Organizations such as the KKK fall into this category but weirdly, the most destructive political movement in the 21st century responsible for billions of dollars worth of property damage, countless attacks on innocent people and police, and violent rhetoric among MANY more horrible things they have done isn't a domestic terrorist organization. WHY?

Because the KKK is a defined/definable group, whilst BLM is a nebulous movement.

If you're talking the organisation BLM, then you'd have to prove that that specific organisation did those acts, and not the movement.

Personally I do support equality for all races, and the idea that "Black Lives Matter"in the purest form is great, I know that in some areas of society there is few blacks represented, I like the words they officially speak. Their actions are another story though, the politicians are scared to speak badly of them because of the name of the organization.

If I built out an organization named Catz Rule which on the website claimsWe are an organization dedicated to spreading the word on how great cats and kittens are however in our demonstrations we attacked innocent people, burned down businesses, and were responsible for the death of hundreds of cats, we would be known as a terrorist organization. The same should be for BLM, it is a sad truth that they are treated better because they are black, that is horrible, as I said ALL races should be treated equally, they are a hate/domestic terrorist organization and should be seen as such.

Thanks for reading, please continue the thread, tell me if you agree or disagree and why.

They shouldn't be considered a terror group.

Terrorism should be reserved for groups that are genuine threats, not loose ideological movements whose actions aren't unified, and the worst of them are more equivalent to ideologically-motivated hooligans/rioters than what I'd consider terrorists.

[South Acren]

Not terrorists to say....i feel putting the near ISIS a bit far, however, and this is a big however, no protesters need to be destroying shops, stores, public statues, etc. for a protest. I mean, really? Did you need to burn down a Wal-Mart to protest police brutality?

[Rojava Free State]

What does that make the Minneapolis Police Department? A threat to the free world?

Guess I'm a terrorist now for just speaking my mind. Off to the prison camp with me.

[Diarcesia]

The police has a greater chance of being labeled a terrorist group than BLM.

[Rojava Free State]

Not terrorists to say....i feel putting the near ISIS a bit far, however, and this is a big however, no protesters need to be destroying shops, stores, public statues, etc. for a protest. I mean, really? Did you need to burn down a Wal-Mart to protest police brutality?

Those people are more akin to your average criminal than they are to terrorists.

[New Swaraelia]

Provide credible evidence for your serious allegations with news articles within the green zone of this chart, before I can make a judgement on their actions.

Personally I too get my sources from the Weather Channel

[South Acren]

Those people are more akin to your average criminal than they are to terrorists.

Exactly

[Picairn]

Neither the OP nor supporters of labeling BLM a terrorist organization have been able to provide credible news sources for their allegations. This whole thing is a joke.

[Engales and Southern Ireland]

A domestic terrorist organization is defined by the FBI as:

"Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." -Copied directly from FBI website

Organizations such as the KKK fall into this category but weirdly, the most destructive political movement in the 21st century responsible for billions of dollars worth of property damage, countless attacks on innocent people and police, and violent rhetoric among MANY more horrible things they have done isn't a domestic terrorist organization. WHY?

Personally I do support equality for all races, and the idea that "Black Lives Matter"in the purest form is great, I know that in some areas of society there is few blacks represented, I like the words they officially speak. Their actions are another story though, the politicians are scared to speak badly of them because of the name of the organization.

If I built out an organization named Catz Rule which on the website claimsWe are an organization dedicated to spreading the word on how great cats and kittens are however in our demonstrations we attacked innocent people, burned down businesses, and were responsible for the death of hundreds of cats, we would be known as a terrorist organization. The same should be for BLM, it is a sad truth that they are treated better because they are black, that is horrible, as I said ALL races should be treated equally, they are a hate/domestic terrorist organization and should be seen as such.

Thanks for reading, please continue the thread, tell me if you agree or disagree and why.

they caused a lot of mayhem and racial conflict so yes

[New Swaraelia]

Guess I'm a terrorist now for just speaking my mind. Off to the prison camp with me.

My man did you just make up a counterargument nobody brought up and then counter the nonexistent counterargument all in one sentence?

[Diarcesia]

Neither the OP nor supporters of labeling BLM a terrorist organization have been able to provide credible news sources for their allegations. This whole thing is a joke.

This gets better. If BLMers are terrorists, what about the Boogaloo Boys? Yes. This is valid whataboutism.

[Post War America]

Ask me again, when BLM activists perform a lynching, claim to have done it in the name of BLM, and not have it be disavowed by other groups within the movement. Then maybe we can talk about them getting that label.