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Postby DACOROMANIA » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:47 pm

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DACOROMANIA wrote:I know that there was once in the 70s a similar group about black racial supremacy making use of terrorist actions against white race people, and connected to that which existed in UK at that time. I don't remember their name but they covered their actions under the mask of a similar propaganda and motto as BLM.
There were many people disappearing without to be ever known or seen back to their families. There were rumors that many corpses of white people were taken on ships and buried in common graves and that the authorities finding them chosen to hide the fact as "classified" to avoid public and diplomatic conflicts.

Even today I can find on Social Media websites, forums and chat servers certain people promoting ideas as "Black supremacy" and "death to white race".

Any group that promotes supremacy or preference against other races, even if not on the same way as Hitler did, but not equality between all, should be considered a significant threat. They are a type of neonazis under a new face, named the "black race supremacy".

"Black Lives Matter" does not promote equality for all but only for a certain group of people or race.

Can't seem to find anything that suggests the main people in the movement do not promote equality. Sure you get the supremacists tagging onto it, but as for the main guys that started it? Can't find anything for that.


Then an investigation on real facts and evidences should be done.
If the owners or the main people of that movement do not exceed the ethical and/or moral line, that they want equality with everyone else no matter of race, then it's okay. However many other Black people will use the movement idea or even to infiltrate within for terrorist actions. These terrorists should respond for their actions. I'm very serious when I say that I've found on internet many people promoting racial supremacy for black race and being aggressive to white people. Words such as "I'll find where you live and kill you" based on IP, profile info in social-media about home locations as on Facebook, Instagram, Discord etc. are not a joke but a serious threat.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:48 pm

So how does BLM promote black supremacy?
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:52 pm

Vassenor wrote:So how does BLM promote black supremacy?

Ascribing motive to the movement.

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Postby DACOROMANIA » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm

Post War America wrote:Clearly you've never heard about the existence of highly decentralized movements that have little control over what individuals within them do, say, or even believe.


How does such movements control themselves / itself? How do you know who's good and who's bad? How do you find them and bring to justice?
If more people within a movement becomes aligned to radical ideas and actions then what to do with such a movement?
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:53 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So how does BLM promote black supremacy?

Ascribing motive to the movement.

They're afraid that if you give them a millimeter, they'll take a kilometer.

They're scared White Man's Burden will become a documentary.
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Postby Post War America » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:01 pm

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Post War America wrote:Clearly you've never heard about the existence of highly decentralized movements that have little control over what individuals within them do, say, or even believe.


How does such movements control themselves / itself? How do you know who's good and who's bad? How do you find them and bring to justice?
If more people within a movement becomes aligned to radical ideas and actions then what to do with such a movement?


That's the point however, there isn't some sort of central BLM authority that dictates the actions of everyone in the movement. It is patently ridiculous to expect them to do so when a centralized state, with a centralized, professionalized police force can't get their people to stop engaging in extrajudicial executions, regular brutality, and other actions that you seem afraid the scary black activists are going to visit upon you.
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:02 pm

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Diarcesia wrote:Ascribing motive to the movement.

They're afraid that if you give them a millimeter, they'll take a kilometer.

They're scared White Man's Burden will become a documentary.

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Postby Nuroblav » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:03 pm

DACOROMANIA wrote:Then an investigation on real facts and evidences should be done.
If the owners or the main people of that movement do not exceed the ethical and/or moral line, that they want equality with everyone else no matter of race, then it's okay. However many other Black people will use the movement idea or even to infiltrate within for terrorist actions. These terrorists should respond for their actions. I'm very serious when I say that I've found on internet many people promoting racial supremacy for black race and being aggressive to white people. Words such as "I'll find where you live and kill you" based on IP, profile info in social-media about home locations as on Facebook, Instagram, Discord etc. are not a joke but a serious threat.
There isn't just "Blue Whale Challenge" being active again recently on internet but also the Black supremacists.

Well yes, but that in itself doesn't make the entire movement a terrorist organisation. Perhaps individuals in the movements using such tactics could be seen that way, but we shouldn't just go around judging every group by a vocal minority of it.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:06 pm

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Gormwood wrote:They're scared White Man's Burden will become a documentary.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_M ... rden_(film)
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:09 pm


While farfetched, there's a small possibility that BLM could be hijacked towards that end. Doesn't discredit the movement, still.
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Postby Tokora » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:51 pm

I'm gonna go off on a limb and say no.

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Postby Xmara » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:17 pm

Vassenor wrote:So how does BLM promote black supremacy?

Because apparently when you say “Black Lives Matter,” you’re implying that white lives don’t matter.

I thought that “Black Lives Matter” really meant “black lives matter just as much as everyone else’s lives.”
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:20 pm

Xmara wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So how does BLM promote black supremacy?

Because apparently when you say “Black Lives Matter,” you’re implying that white lives don’t matter.

I thought that “Black Lives Matter” really meant “black lives matter just as much as everyone else’s lives.”

Well, you see, that's common sense - something a lot of the "All Lives Matter" folks severely lack, at least to the extent that they aren't just using it as an empty phrase to shut down opposition.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:22 pm

I disagree with casually describing BLM or Antifa as terrorist groups, as under US law there is no distinction between a foreign terrorist organization and a domestic one, and that designation should never be considered lightly, unless we want every organization that has members alleged to be violent to become victims of drone strikes, indefinite detention, and asset forfeiture on flaky evidence.

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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:27 pm

No, it shouldn't. It's just another social movement with more than its fair share of dumbasses. I also wouldn't say it "promotes black supremacy", but it does have black supremacists in its ranks (which shouldn't be a surprise, tbh).

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Vassenor wrote:So how does BLM promote black supremacy?

Because apparently when you say “Black Lives Matter,” you’re implying that white lives don’t matter.

I thought that “Black Lives Matter” really meant “black lives matter just as much as everyone else’s lives.”

This does get complicated a bit when there are people saying things like "white lives don't matter".
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Postby Mazel » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:11 pm

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The Reformed American Republic wrote:Many within are Marxist loons, but I think "terrorism" requires more than some skirmishes and statue teardowns. I have no love for BLM but terrorism is not a label that is taken lightly.

Agree with this.


That's the answer I get from the thread. I'm an open minded person. I support the movement ideals but not the movement thx everyone for giving more clarity

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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:13 pm

Mazel wrote:
Fennoscandia Union wrote:Agree with this.


That's the answer I get from the thread. I'm an open minded person. I support the movement ideals but not the movement thx everyone for giving more clarity

One can support the idea without supporting the organization.
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Postby Mississippi River Country » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:15 pm

Sure, if they were responsible for organizing widespread violence under the BLM name, which I very much doubt. Using the D.T. label to silence any organization that associates themsleves with movements that have violent elements is dangerous for free speech. Especially now with the internet where you cannot control whether a bad actor comes on and starts posing and spewing out violent nonsense in the name of your organization. It's very easy to smear and slander, and very hard to hold people accountable for it now.

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Postby Shazbotdom » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:15 pm

Mazel wrote:
Fennoscandia Union wrote:Agree with this.


That's the answer I get from the thread. I'm an open minded person. I support the movement ideals but not the movement thx everyone for giving more clarity


I'm surprised it took you 10 pages to reply back. Seeing as it sort of looked like a hit and run post to me.
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Postby Nuroblav » Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:44 am

Duvniask wrote:Well, you see, that's common sense - something a lot of the "All Lives Matter" folks severely lack, at least to the extent that they aren't just using it as an empty phrase to shut down opposition.

This sums it up well in my opinion:

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:16 am

Black Lives Matter is both a slogan used by people with a wide variety of views and a slightly more formalised political grouping. The unclear boundaries between the two would make a terrorist declaration pretty incoherent as well as very difficult to take enforcement action on without doing considerable injustice and possibly causing a second wave of severe social problems.

Are there quite prominent elements within the Black Lives Matter group that have violent and racist views and who want to cause social strife? Yes, for sure. But under the same logic we would probably have to ban many mainstream political parties because some of their radical wings contain people who are into violent direct action too, whether that be boogalooing or punching "Nazis".

We should enforce more on individuals who can specifically been identified as a problem, not hamfistedly try to break up a social movement with grievances against police via aggressive police enforcement action, which might have some slightly undesirable results that will increase sympathy for them.

It would be daft both logically and pragmatically.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:26 am

Proctopeo wrote:No, it shouldn't. It's just another social movement with more than its fair share of dumbasses. I also wouldn't say it "promotes black supremacy", but it does have black supremacists in its ranks (which shouldn't be a surprise, tbh).

Xmara wrote:Because apparently when you say “Black Lives Matter,” you’re implying that white lives don’t matter.

I thought that “Black Lives Matter” really meant “black lives matter just as much as everyone else’s lives.”

This does get complicated a bit when there are people saying things like "white lives don't matter".


From what I've heard from most people, white lives don't matter as white lives. What this means is their value isn't based upon their skin color. Their lives matter because they're human. Their lives don't matter just because of their skin tone.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:34 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:No, it shouldn't. It's just another social movement with more than its fair share of dumbasses. I also wouldn't say it "promotes black supremacy", but it does have black supremacists in its ranks (which shouldn't be a surprise, tbh).


This does get complicated a bit when there are people saying things like "white lives don't matter".


From what I've heard from most people, white lives don't matter as white lives. What this means is their value isn't based upon their skin color. Their lives matter because they're human. Their lives don't matter just because of their skin tone.


An alternate take I've heard is that instead of it being white-American lives, those sorts have specific ethnic heritages that are far more relevant than some vaguely defined white race, whereas African-Americans had that forcibly stripped from them at gunpoint.
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Postby Slopestyle » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:36 am

Definitely be considered a terrorist group.
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Postby Post War America » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:42 am

Slopestyle wrote:Definitely be considered a terrorist group.
Peaceful protest is one thing, but wanton destruction quite another.


Peaceful protest was tried, and it was either ignored, or considered not respectful enough. Some engaging in said peaceful protest were labeled as traitors for "not supporting the troops". More active peaceful protests were also tried, and met with police violence. Eventually it becomes evident that more confrontational methods are required.

Also, if we're considering some smashed windows and beaten folks the makings of a terrorist organization, I'm pretty sure a health percentage of the population of men ages 18-40 would probably be terrorists.
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