Justice Ginsburg in the hospital twice in a fortnight

[-SARS-]

You are talking about people who were killed by a virus, and a wild virus too, not one that was created or enslaved by humans. Viruses do not work for the government, and we do not commit murder. Murder requires intent.

You can make a case that Trump and McConnell are traitors, though. They've been very irresponsible and do not seem to care much about the common people.

Guys.....I just noticed this was the RBG thread. Shouldn’t virus talk go to the covid thread?......

Sorry, I sometimes forget how contagious I am.

I do hope RBG hangs in there, though. She is a respectable lady.

[Lower Nubia]

Well I look at 141,000 dead Americans who died for partisan reasons.

How about you use your mind to deduce that one.

You are talking about people who were killed by a virus, and a wild virus too, not one that was created or enslaved by humans. Viruses do not work for the government, and we do not commit murder. Murder requires intent.

You can make a case that Trump and McConnell are traitors, though. They've been very irresponsible and do not seem to care much about the common people.

I agree, Virus’s aren’t government agents (weird I need to say that).

Doesn’t mean government policy get’s to wash its hands of it and say; what ever we do people will die. When the vast majority of deaths could be stopped by masks, lockdown/social distancing (evidence from Japan, Germany, New Zealand, etc..)

When those last three items aren’t enacted without any evidence against their effectiveness, what’s happened is you’ve killed people for.... you’ve just killed people.

It’s like a war crime, a government knows launching missiles into civilian populations will kill those civilians. Telling people the things which will protect them (masks, lockdown, social distancing) are a political statement is the same as launching a missile into a civilian population; it will kill people. Heck, if you launch a missile into a civilian population to kill a high level terrorist, you could make a case that it was warranted (war crimes to meet war goals is not something I condone).

In the case of this pandemic, there is no justification/warrant for stigmatising masks, lockdown or social distancing; it just kills people.

Killing people in policy is a crime. The issue is that determining what kills the least in policy is sometimes quite difficult; thus governments get the benefit of the doubt as hindsight is 20-20. Yet for anti-lockdown, anti-mask has no evidence it saves lives, it just kills people. There is no difficulty in enacting those policies of masks and lockdown to save lives; they won’t because it damages their political choices. Therefore it is simply murder through policy. A crime committed by the responsible entities; the senate and the executive. Who have not enforced good pandemic policy and actively warranted anti-lockdown, anti-mask, and anti-social distancing policies which kill people.

[Farnhamia]

Hopefully she goes soon

If that happens in the next week, you won't be here to comment on it. *** 7 day ban for trolling. ***

You had two bans last month. Did you think we forgot about those? Or are you one of those people who just thinks the rules don't apply to them and any attempt to enforce the rules is the Moderation Team being mean to you?

[Farnhamia]

"Premeditation". Setting the bar so high a giraffe can successfully limbo under it. Trump's sociopathy contributed to his incompetent handling of the pandemic but you're playing semantics insisting he has no accountability unless he's recorded stating an intention to murder people like a Scooby Doo villain.

Fucking exactly. This muppet puts the issue to some higher authority as if the senate and executive arn’t the highest.

"Muppet"? Tsk. *** Warned for flaming ***

Be civil. I know you know this because this is not your first run-in with Moderation.

[Lower Nubia]

Fucking exactly. This muppet puts the issue to some higher authority as if the senate and executive arn’t the highest.

"Muppet"? Tsk. *** Warned for flaming ***

Be civil. I know you know this because this is not your first run-in with Moderation.

Muppets is a British term of endearment. "You old, muppet you".

Also, get better soon Ginsburg, to stay on topic.

[Farnhamia]

"Muppet"? Tsk. *** Warned for flaming ***

Be civil. I know you know this because this is not your first run-in with Moderation.

Muppets is a British term of endearment. "You old, muppet you".

Also, get better soon Ginsburg, to stay on topic.

Did they change languages in Britain? All the definitions I've seen say "muppet" is equivalent to "moron" and "gormless" and other such insults. You can make a proper appeal in the thread where you were reported.

[Lower Nubia]

Muppets is a British term of endearment. "You old, muppet you".

Also, get better soon Ginsburg, to stay on topic.

Did they change languages in Britain? All the definitions I've seen say "muppet" is equivalent to "moron" and "gormless" and other such insults. You can make a proper appeal in the thread where you were reported.

Now, now, I won't have facts ruin a perfectly good cultural saying.

[Victorious Decepticons]

Whose decision is it that Lockdown and masks was not enforced at a federal level?

It's the 10th Amendment's decision. Same reason Trump wasn't able to follow through on his idea of banning lockdowns at the federal level.

[Farnhamia]

Whose decision is it that Lockdown and masks was not enforced at a federal level?

It's the 10th Amendment's decision. Same reason Trump wasn't able to follow through on his idea of banning lockdowns at the federal level.

If he could declare a national emergency to take money from the Defense budget to (not) build his wall, he could bloody well declare one during a raging pandemic and shut down the country to keep people from getting sick and dying. Just sayin'.

And what does this have to do with Justice Ginsburg being ill?

[Greed and Death]

It's the 10th Amendment's decision. Same reason Trump wasn't able to follow through on his idea of banning lockdowns at the federal level.

If he could declare a national emergency to take money from the Defense budget to (not) build his wall, he could bloody well declare one during a raging pandemic and shut down the country to keep people from getting sick and dying. Just sayin'.

And what does this have to do with Justice Ginsburg being ill?

I was about to ask the same thing.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Did they change languages in Britain? All the definitions I've seen say "muppet" is equivalent to "moron" and "gormless" and other such insults. You can make a proper appeal in the thread where you were reported.

Now, now, I won't have facts ruin a perfectly good cultural saying.

You'll have to bow to the American usage on this one. Actual Muppets are American. And I'm pretty sure they're copyrighted too.

If he could declare a national emergency to take money from the Defense budget to (not) build his wall, he could bloody well declare one during a raging pandemic and shut down the country to keep people from getting sick and dying. Just sayin'.

And what does this have to do with Justice Ginsburg being ill?

I was about to ask the same thing.

Do you know if (a) RBG really did have a lung removed, (b) if so, was it due to cancer?

[Greed and Death]

Now, now, I won't have facts ruin a perfectly good cultural saying.

You'll have to bow to the American usage on this one. Actual Muppets are American. And I'm pretty sure they're copyrighted too.

I was about to ask the same thing.

Do you know if (a) RBG really did have a lung removed, (b) if so, was it due to cancer?

Half of a lung

[Lower Nubia]

Whose decision is it that Lockdown and masks was not enforced at a federal level?

It's the 10th Amendment's decision. Same reason Trump wasn't able to follow through on his idea of banning lockdowns at the federal level.

So immigrants coming up in a caravan is an emergency, but a pandemic isn’t...

Also, Ginsburg is a tough ol’nugget.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

It's the 10th Amendment's decision. Same reason Trump wasn't able to follow through on his idea of banning lockdowns at the federal level.

So immigrants coming up in a caravan is an emergency, but a pandemic isn’t...

Also, Ginsburg is a tough ol’nugget.

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

[Lower Nubia]

So immigrants coming up in a caravan is an emergency, but a pandemic isn’t...

Also, Ginsburg is a tough ol’nugget.

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

If I was her, I’d stay alive 6 months just to spite the Republicans. Then on my deathbed summon McConnell and say; “McConnell, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.” Then Slowly close my eyes for the last time on the 22nd of January, my final vision of Moscow Mitch’s eyes filling with tears.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

If I was her, I’d stay alive 6 months just to spite the Republicans. Then on my deathbed summon McConnell and say; “McConnell, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.” Then Slowly close my eyes for the last time on the 22nd of January, my final vision of Moscow Mitch’s eyes filling with tears.

Nice rhapsody there. I'd say it would be even better if McConnell is out of the Senate by then, but it would be a bit off to gloat in advance about an old guy who clearly loves his job too. I'd feel terrible if he up and died before then.

[Godular]

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

If I was her, I’d stay alive 6 months just to spite the Republicans. Then on my deathbed summon McConnell and say; “McConnell, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.” Then Slowly close my eyes for the last time on the 22nd of January, my final vision of Moscow Mitch’s eyes filling with tears.

If at the very end she set a nearby radio to play This (with a special dedication for Mitch), I do believe I would recommend her for sainthood. Religious or not.

[Victorious Decepticons]

It's the 10th Amendment's decision. Same reason Trump wasn't able to follow through on his idea of banning lockdowns at the federal level.

If he could declare a national emergency to take money from the Defense budget to (not) build his wall, he could bloody well declare one during a raging pandemic and shut down the country to keep people from getting sick and dying. Just sayin'.

And what does this have to do with Justice Ginsburg being ill?

Just responding to the other poster. Interesting how you didn't mind that side-discussion until I came along and reminded people about the 10th Amendment.

The Wall had nothing to do with states' rights, making the 10th Amendment not apply to it. Anything to do with how states handle state matters is another story.

But back to the original topic:

As for Justice Ginsburg, she's too invincible for that cancer to kill her just yet. She was saying that the chemo is working, after all.

[Victorious Decepticons]

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

Pure spite is an oft-overlooked, but powerful, source of fuel.

The best way to ensure that she stays alive for four more years is to vote Trump in again. She'll keep living as long as it takes to keep him from appointing her replacement.

[Gormwood]

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

Pure spite is an oft-overlooked, but powerful, source of fuel.

The best way to ensure that she stays alive for four more years is to vote Trump in again. She'll keep living as long as it takes to keep him from appointing her replacement.

She's ba-a-a-a-ack! Long live RBG!

(Image)

She's tapped into the Dark Side of the Force like Palpatine and surviving off the collective anger and hate of the conservative Republican base.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

A survivor. At her age, chances of surviving a major operation aren't good. It matters a lot how much will to live they still have.

I'm almost jealous of her. I have barely any sense of duty, or work ethic or whatever it is that keeps her hanging in there.

Pure spite is an oft-overlooked, but powerful, source of fuel.

The best way to ensure that she stays alive for four more years is to vote Trump in again. She'll keep living as long as it takes to keep him from appointing her replacement.

Aww. That's about the most approbatory thing anyone has said about her yet.

I expected her to stand down during Obama's term. I couldn't see her reasoning to try and hang in for a more friendly Senate, and even less for a more leftist President. Though I suppose like most people she might have expected a President Clinton II, but that really only explains not standing down late, in Obama's term.

So I suggest a slightly less cynical explanation than spite. I think she has that thing which all great public figures have, which is a huge ego. She probably thinks no other judge in the country could do a better job as SC Justice than herself, so it hardly even matters to her which President appoints, or which Senate approves, her successor. If that runs contrary to what I said before, her strong sense of duty, then that's OK. Great leaders, jurists, scientists and pretty much anyone in a position to make a mark in history, need a strong ego to avoid being torn down by jealous rivals, and a strong sense of duty to guard against their mark on history being a bad one, and those two motives will often conflict. Ego drives them to make as big a mark as they can, but the sense of duty (to make the world a better place) puts limits on the mark they will let themselves make.

Story of my life bro. I've got plenty of ego so I could be great. But I have no ambition and not much sense of duty.

[The Black Forrest]

If he could declare a national emergency to take money from the Defense budget to (not) build his wall, he could bloody well declare one during a raging pandemic and shut down the country to keep people from getting sick and dying. Just sayin'.

And what does this have to do with Justice Ginsburg being ill?

Just responding to the other poster. Interesting how you didn't mind that side-discussion until I came along and reminded people about the 10th Amendment.

The Wall had nothing to do with states' rights, making the 10th Amendment not apply to it. Anything to do with how states handle state matters is another story.

But back to the original topic:

As for Justice Ginsburg, she's too invincible for that cancer to kill her just yet. She was saying that the chemo is working, after all.

Actually the wall did violate a few things like going through peoples lands without so much a by your leave. I remember one story where a couple watched helplessly as the barn and animals burned because it was on the other side of the fence and the firemen didn’t have the keys to open a gate.

[Greed and Death]

As an update Ginsburg is in the hospital again. Basically twice in two weeks.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/2 ... tal-387588

[Godular]

As an update Ginsburg is in the hospital again. Basically twice in two weeks.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/2 ... tal-387588

*looks up what the procedure was*

Sounds like it was a follow-up procedure.

[Salus Maior]

As an update Ginsburg is in the hospital again. Basically twice in two weeks.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/2 ... tal-387588

That's not a good sign, but it is admirable how well she's holding up.

Maybe she can give Her Majesty a run for her money in terms of undying political women.