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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:01 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
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That would go against the site rules.



If you guessed republican, you are correct.



Mentioning him as a reference to the nuke rule sure. Mentioning about the "assassination" attempt? Not really.

I guess your friend must be an Anti Trump Republican, :)


He has commented on some of Trumps BS when it came to the science side of things. Overall?....he tends to be apolitical as he said it's irrelevant for his work and would get in the way of things.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:04 am

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Greater Miami Shores wrote:I guess your friend must be an Anti Trump Republican, :)


He has commented on some of Trumps BS when it came to the science side of things. Overall?....he tends to be apolitical as he said it's irrelevant for his work and would get in the way of things.

Ok, according to your friend he is the way you say he is, according to your friend.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:04 am

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Show the court on the doll where the 28 year old Kavenaugh hurt you.


That would go against the site rules.


I bet I can guess your friends political persuasion.


If you guessed republican, you are correct.

It's tangentially related if were talking about potential nomination shenanigans


Mentioning him as a reference to the nuke rule sure. Mentioning about the "assassination" attempt? Not really.


Assassination?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:05 am

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He has commented on some of Trumps BS when it came to the science side of things. Overall?....he tends to be apolitical as he said it's irrelevant for his work and would get in the way of things.

Ok, according to your friend he is the way you say he is, according to your friend.


Don't understand what you wrote.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:06 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That would go against the site rules.



If you guessed republican, you are correct.



Mentioning him as a reference to the nuke rule sure. Mentioning about the "assassination" attempt? Not really.


Assassination?


Are we being obtuse or a genuine question? Character assassination.......
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:10 am

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Oh like trying to replace Scalia with Garland wasn't going go dramatically shift the court to the left.


"Oh, Democrats wants to bitch about Republicans flatly denying a sitting President the ability to fill a Supreme Court vacancy for the first time in the history of the country, but they were totally planning to fill that Supreme Court seat with a nominee made by the sitting President just like every other vacancy ever! See, bothsame!"

You really got me there, bud.


You accuse the Republicans of stacking the court when that's exactly what the Democrats were doing. Garland would be fine for the like of Kenedy or Breyer. Scalia? He was the conservative anchor of the court. You can't replace him with a center leftist.

Whinge all you want about McConnel's move, but it's the kind of political move they're gonna be teaching about in polisci classes 80 years from now. It really was a brilliant political gamble.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:10 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Ok, according to your friend he is the way you say he is, according to your friend.


Don't understand what you wrote.

Your friend is a Republican, anti Kavanaugh and anti Trump and claims to be apolitical, which I doubt. But according to your friend he is apolitical.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:11 am

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Assassination?


Are we being obtuse or a genuine question? Character assassination.......



Ohhhhh no I legit thought you were talking about an assassination attempt on RBG.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:16 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Don't understand what you wrote.

Your friend is a Republican, anti Kavanaugh and anti Trump and claims to be apolitical, which I doubt. But according to your friend he is apolitical.


That's what ever is in your head talking. I didn't say he was anti-trump. I said he has made statements of Trumps "scientific" claims. His statement of Kav doesn't make him anti-Kav. Just says he shows some classic signs such as for example the aggressive nature over questions of his drinking. As mentioned he said he would have to talk to him for an official ruling. Politics serves no purpose when working with people with addiction problems.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:17 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Are we being obtuse or a genuine question? Character assassination.......



Ohhhhh no I legit thought you were talking about an assassination attempt on RBG.


Ohhh :) No worries. What I write always seems obvious in my head.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:26 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Your friend is a Republican, anti Kavanaugh and anti Trump and claims to be apolitical, which I doubt. But according to your friend he is apolitical.


That's what ever is in your head talking. I didn't say he was anti-trump. I said he has made statements of Trumps "scientific" claims. His statement of Kav doesn't make him anti-Kav. Just says he shows some classic signs such as for example the aggressive nature over questions of his drinking. As mentioned he said he would have to talk to him for an official ruling. Politics serves no purpose when working with people with addiction problems.

I believe you about your friend being a Republican, if not I think you would not say he is. But you also said: He has commented on some of Trumps BS when it came to the science side of things. Overall?....he tends to be apolitical as he said it's irrelevant for his work and would get in the way of things. I find your friend being overall apolitical hard to believe. It is either apolitical or not. I bet your friend is an anti Trump Republican.

The Democrats tried to destroy Kavanaugh for political reasons against him. Kavanaugh showed anger which if he is innocent of the charges against him he should be angry at the Democrats. Whatever his drinking habits were when he was young are understandable at a young age. Many persons drank a lot when they were young.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:38 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That's what ever is in your head talking. I didn't say he was anti-trump. I said he has made statements of Trumps "scientific" claims. His statement of Kav doesn't make him anti-Kav. Just says he shows some classic signs such as for example the aggressive nature over questions of his drinking. As mentioned he said he would have to talk to him for an official ruling. Politics serves no purpose when working with people with addiction problems.

I believe you about your friend being a Republican, if not I think you would not say he is. But you also said: He has commented on some of Trumps BS when it came to the science side of things. Overall?....he tends to be apolitical as he said it's irrelevant for his work and would get in the way of things. I find your friend being overall apolitical hard to believe. It is either apolitical or not. I bet your friend is an anti Trump Republican.


Again that is whatever is in your head talking again. One of the things he mentioned was Hydroxychloroquine and shock trump made a few BS statements about it. He has made many BS statements over issues involving science. It’s not a hard thing to grasp. Saying somebody doesn’t know what they are talking in matters of science doesn’t make you anti-whoeveritis. Well.....then again maybe in your world.

As to him being apolitical or not? Do you understand the lack of value politics has when trying to help people with addiction problems?
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:42 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:I believe you about your friend being a Republican, if not I think you would not say he is. But you also said: He has commented on some of Trumps BS when it came to the science side of things. Overall?....he tends to be apolitical as he said it's irrelevant for his work and would get in the way of things. I find your friend being overall apolitical hard to believe. It is either apolitical or not. I bet your friend is an anti Trump Republican.


Again that is whatever is in your head talking again. One of the things he mentioned was Hydroxychloroquine and shock trump made a few BS statements about it. He has made many BS statements over issues involving science. It’s not a hard thing to grasp. Saying somebody doesn’t know what they are talking in matters of science doesn’t make you anti-whoeveritis. Well.....then again maybe in your world.

As to him being apolitical or not? Do you understand the lack of value politics has when trying to help people with addiction problems?

You left out the full quote:
The Democrats tried to destroy Kavanaugh for political reasons against him. Kavanaugh showed anger which if he is innocent of the charges against him he should be angry at the Democrats. Whatever his drinking habits were when he was young are understandable at a young age. Many persons drank a lot when they were young. My last back and forth post.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:47 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Again that is whatever is in your head talking again. One of the things he mentioned was Hydroxychloroquine and shock trump made a few BS statements about it. He has made many BS statements over issues involving science. It’s not a hard thing to grasp. Saying somebody doesn’t know what they are talking in matters of science doesn’t make you anti-whoeveritis. Well.....then again maybe in your world.

As to him being apolitical or not? Do you understand the lack of value politics has when trying to help people with addiction problems?

You left out the full quote:
The Democrats tried to destroy Kavanaugh for political reasons against him. Kavanaugh showed anger which if he is innocent of the charges against him he should be angry at the Democrats. Whatever his drinking habits were when he was young are understandable at a young age. Many persons drank a lot when they were young. My last back and forth post.


I didn’t leave it out. You modified it after I pressed quote. Your changes won’t appear in my response.

Kav was defensive over his drinking. He wasn’t simply because he drank at a younger age.. He still drinks today. He admitted to it.

The Kav affair really doesn’t pertain to RBG. As mentioned it’s valid if you mention him in the nuke option discussion since it was used for him.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Page » Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:48 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Again that is whatever is in your head talking again. One of the things he mentioned was Hydroxychloroquine and shock trump made a few BS statements about it. He has made many BS statements over issues involving science. It’s not a hard thing to grasp. Saying somebody doesn’t know what they are talking in matters of science doesn’t make you anti-whoeveritis. Well.....then again maybe in your world.

As to him being apolitical or not? Do you understand the lack of value politics has when trying to help people with addiction problems?

You left out the full quote:
The Democrats tried to destroy Kavanaugh for political reasons against him. Kavanaugh showed anger which if he is innocent of the charges against him he should be angry at the Democrats. Whatever his drinking habits were when he was young are understandable at a young age. Many persons drank a lot when they were young. My last back and forth post.


The problem isn't that he liked to drink, the problem is he committed perjury. He denied under oath ever being black out drunk while his former classmates bear witness to the fact that Kavanaugh was totally shitfaced on multiple occasions. It's the perjury that matters, not the thing that he lied about, just as it was in the case of Bill Clinton.
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Raising the possibility or even moving a motion to that effect does not establish a precedent.

In legal terms Biden's speech was obiter dictum, it is not binding and does not establish a precedent. In particular, it was never moved or voted on by the Senate, which is the body you're claiming had precedent when it refused to hear Garland's case.

You're defending this idea that Biden created the precedent just by saying it, because that's what McConnell said. The man is a lying creep and you should not make a habit of defending partisan hackery from his mouth.
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Precedents for Senate action are set by Senate action. Maybe if you want to stretch it, actions by the House or by State legislatures.

Biden gave a speech in the Senate. That is nowhere near enough to justify "they did it first" when it comes to acts by McConnell as Leader of the Senate.

The dog act was McConnell's not Biden's and going with McConnell's justification is childishly weak of you.
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They likely could have blocked Kavanuagh, and now with Ginsburg's replacement it will be needed more than ever.


Oh, are we pretending now that having abused the shit out of the filibuster to hold multiple judicial appointments open and outright stealing a Supreme Court seat for the first time in history, McConnell would have just quietly allowed the Democrats to stop him from filling them due to his profound sense of fair play and unshakable respect for the institutions and good functioning of government, if only Harry Reid hadn't been so mean?

The only mistake Democrats made was not doing...exactly what McConnell did and just shredding the filibuster and blue slip entirely and ramming through lifetime appointments just as quickly as they could schedule votes.


More likely the political cost of doing the opposite of what they did 4 years ago would be too costly for the other republicans to go along with it. With Kavanaugh the rape allegations would also make the costs too high.

Gorsuch was the perfect person to bait the Democrats into their final filibuster.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:42 am

Page wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:You left out the full quote:
The Democrats tried to destroy Kavanaugh for political reasons against him. Kavanaugh showed anger which if he is innocent of the charges against him he should be angry at the Democrats. Whatever his drinking habits were when he was young are understandable at a young age. Many persons drank a lot when they were young. My last back and forth post.


The problem isn't that he liked to drink, the problem is he committed perjury. He denied under oath ever being black out drunk while his former classmates bear witness to the fact that Kavanaugh was totally shitfaced on multiple occasions. It's the perjury that matters, not the thing that he lied about, just as it was in the case of Bill Clinton.


Except for that one tiny problem. The question was not "have you ever gotten shit faced," the question was "have you ever been blackout drunk." which is much more specific. His peers can say what ever they want, but ultimately the only person who can tell you if he.blacked out or not is Kavenaugh.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:44 am

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The problem isn't that he liked to drink, the problem is he committed perjury. He denied under oath ever being black out drunk while his former classmates bear witness to the fact that Kavanaugh was totally shitfaced on multiple occasions. It's the perjury that matters, not the thing that he lied about, just as it was in the case of Bill Clinton.


Except for that one tiny problem. The question was not "have you ever gotten shit faced," the question was "have you ever been blackout drunk." which is much more specific. His peers can say what ever they want, but ultimately the only person who can tell you if he.blacked out or not is Kavenaugh.


It is a hard question to get someone for perjury for because you generally do not remember being blackout drunk.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:45 am

protip: The reason democrats didn't replace Scalia is because they realized that a supreme court pick on the line would raise turnout in the election, and since democrat voters are less reliable about actually showing up, high turnout benefits them.
Republicans should ram through a pick under the same reasoning.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:48 am

Aclion wrote:protip: The reason democrats didn't replace Scalia is because they realized that a supreme court pick on the line would raise turnout in the election, and since democrat voters are less reliable about actually showing up, high turnout benefits them.
Republicans should ram through a pick under the same reasoning.



.....what?
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:50 am

Aclion wrote:protip: The reason democrats didn't replace Scalia is because they realized that a supreme court pick on the line would raise turnout in the election, and since democrat voters are less reliable about actually showing up, high turnout benefits them.
Republicans should ram through a pick under the same reasoning.


The democrats tried to replace Scalia. The GOP controlled Senate didn't consider him.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:52 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Aclion wrote:protip: The reason democrats didn't replace Scalia is because they realized that a supreme court pick on the line would raise turnout in the election, and since democrat voters are less reliable about actually showing up, high turnout benefits them.
Republicans should ram through a pick under the same reasoning.



.....what?

Not making the pick would make the pick an election issue, which would turn out democrats who are otherwise not very motivated. Unlike the democrats in 2016 republicans don't actually gain from making the pick an election issue, their base is already chomping at the bit. therefore they should make the pick now(really as soon as a seat become open).
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