Bari Weiss Resigns from New York Times

[Major-Tom]

I don't know how to respond to this - I've read her OP-Eds, they're generally...okay at best? Just kinda over-sensationalized, angry, and it just comes across as way too arrogant.

If she was being bullied by her colleagues, obviously that's no bueno either, but I can't really seem to form an opinion here other than the preconceived notion I've always had that major OP-Ed writers are some of the most dramatic, petty, overpaid and absolutely diva-esque people to walk this earth, be it Weiss or her co-workers. Talk about failing upwards.

The NYT should focus on their bread and butter - that is, in-depth, insightful and relatively objective pieces that intricately cover a subject and unearth new information. Their investigative work > their op-ed work.

It's called "presenting opinions from all parts of the political spectrum" and a news organization the size of the NY Times can do both the Op-Ed side and the news side. I heard - don't quote me on this - they have people called "editors" who manage the hard news reporters and some who manage the opinion writers. Yeah, I found it mind-boggling, too.

I get your point, I really do, but even you have to concede that NYT has done a less than stellar job in managing their opinion writers. They need to figure out, specifically, what their overlying policies towards their OP-Ed writers are, and consistent guidelines for what they expect to publish - otherwise it's going to be the same problem over and over for the Times, someone publishes an Op-Ed piece that receives substantial backlash, the editor/s receive a great deal of backlash, and then someone ends up resigning or is encouraged to resign.

So, yes, obviously I understand the role of the Op-Ed writer, but it doesn't mean I also don't see how ridiculous and absurd some of the Op-Eds are in the NYT. They range from surprisingly insightful to stuff that wouldn't even be published in a HS newspaper.

I'd also wonder what sort of workplace environment they have at the Times, there is such a fundamental lack of consistency and that results in what seems to be constant infighting and a negative workplace environment.

[Gormwood]

private newspapers should be excised and all news should be run by the state. this will fix most of our problems with bad ideology in the papers.

State Media. Great idea!

[Cekoviu]

private newspapers should be excised and all news should be run by the state. this will fix most of our problems with bad ideology in the papers.

State Media. Great idea!

this but unironically

[Grenartia]

State Media. Great idea!

this but unironically

KJU is the modern Pol Pot.

[Xmara]

State Media. Great idea!

this but unironically

Please bear in mind that the “state media” would be operated by the current administration. Which in this case it would be Donald Trump and his crew controlling the news. Do you really want to go there?

[Galloism]

this but unironically

Please bear in mind that the “state media” would be operated by the current administration. Which in this case it would be Donald Trump and his crew controlling the news. Do you really want to go there?

How does the bbc work?

Boris hasn’t ruined the bbc.

[Xmara]

Please bear in mind that the “state media” would be operated by the current administration. Which in this case it would be Donald Trump and his crew controlling the news. Do you really want to go there?

How does the bbc work?

Boris hasn’t ruined the bbc.

Oh wait forgot that the BBC was state run.

I was thinking more along the line of North Korean news sources.

[Gormwood]

How does the bbc work?

Boris hasn’t ruined the bbc.

Oh wait forgot that the BBC was state run.

I was thinking more along the line of North Korean news sources.

Aren't the Tories trying to privatize the BBC?

[-Astoria-]

Oh wait forgot that the BBC was state run.

...in a more 'public station' style.

[Gormwood]

Oh wait forgot that the BBC was state run.

...in a more 'public station' style.

Except they get funding from state TV tax.

[Rojava Free State]

this but unironically

Please bear in mind that the “state media” would be operated by the current administration. Which in this case it would be Donald Trump and his crew controlling the news. Do you really want to go there?

That state TV would be worse than Fox or Breitbart.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

Uppity minority gets life interfered with and made hard for being the wrong type of uppity minority and saying being a minority doesn't mean your life is hard and that you don't automatically get your life interfered with.

Time to add protections for political thought for workers.

[Senkaku]

Bari Weiss was hired three years ago to help address the issue of the New York TImes not understanding the other part of society. She's Jewish, center left, and LGBT. She has worked at Tablet (an online Jewish magazine), The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and was listed as one of the 50 most influential Jews in the world by the Jerusalem Post (I didn't even know this was a thing, but i'm reading wikipedia). Her personal life includes relationships with Jason Kass, founder of Toilets for People (it's a shitty job, but somebody's got to do it), Kate MacKinnon and Nellie Bowles.

She's also drawn some controversy for suggesting Kavanaugh was guilty, but should be on the court anyway because it was a long time ago (wat). And she's had a lot of support for Israel.

But, wherever you think she falls, she still has mostly center left views and has described some of the issues with working and attempting to create balance in the New York Times.

not this description of her lmaooo

In any case the whole “I’m outraged that my employer of several years is calmly accepting my sudden resignation” bit is pretty funny and the Bari-Sullivan-Shapiro outlet should be a hilarious new addition to the media-industrial complex

[Galloism]

Uppity minority gets life interfered with and made hard for being the wrong type of uppity minority and saying being a minority doesn't mean your life is hard and that you don't automatically get your life interfered with.

Time to add protections for political thought for workers.

This, but unironically.

[Senkaku]

Some rando on twitter made the rather good observation that Ross Douthat takes a lot less shit for his considerably more radical beliefs than Bari or Ben Shapiro because unlike them he has actual thoughts and writes with integrity instead of being a sloppy hack with nothing genuine to contribute and I think they made a point

[The Emerald Legion]

Freeze peach warriors get upset when people get fired for having opinions, then turn round and whine when people don't get fired for having opinions.

It's almost as if they're intellectually dishonest.

Not really. There's a difference between having an opinion and harassing people.

[Trollgaard]

This is further evidence that twitter should be deleted.

[Uiiop]

Freeze peach warriors get upset when people get fired for having opinions, then turn round and whine when people don't get fired for having opinions.

It's almost as if they're intellectually dishonest.

Not really. There's a difference between having an opinion and harassing people.

And Bari did the latter: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/31/nyre ... itism.html https://twitter.com/erinbiba/status/128 ... 19847?s=20

[Liriena]

Not really. There's a difference between having an opinion and harassing people.

And Bari did the latter: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/31/nyre ... itism.html https://twitter.com/erinbiba/status/128 ... 19847?s=20

I can't get enough of NSG discovering Bari Weiss and taking her at face value, while the rest of the internet has known she's a mediocre faildaughter for a long while.

[Aureumterra]

You rarely get to see the inner workings of newspapers and media companies through a nuanced lens, but from what I can gather, the New York Times is a toxic shithole with a terrible corporate culture with toxic bosses, colleagues, and bullying and harassment for having the wrong opinion. Provides some nice insight into why mainstream media is so terrible nowadays.

[Soiled fruit roll ups]

And Bari did the latter: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/31/nyre ... itism.html https://twitter.com/erinbiba/status/128 ... 19847?s=20

I can't get enough of NSG discovering Bari Weiss and taking her at face value, while the rest of the internet has known she's a mediocre faildaughter for a long while.

What's that Skip, progressives will demean any work that fails their idealogical purity tests as substandard because they aren't mature enough to tell the difference between criticism and harassment.

Bloody oath you're a smart bush kangaroo Skippy.

[No State Here]

You rarely get to see the inner workings of newspapers and media companies through a nuanced lens, but from what I can gather, the New York Times is a toxic shithole with a terrible corporate culture with toxic bosses, colleagues, and bullying and harassment for having the wrong opinion. Provides some nice insight into why mainstream media is so terrible nowadays.

Anecdote time! A good friend of mine used to work at CNN New York, a building serviceperson as a summer job. While he wasn’t directly involved in the journalism, he was able to observe their work, and oftentimes, superiors would tell people to edit their articles to not be too hostile to certain politicians or groups.

[Greed and Death]

Because state-run propaganda machines are not, nor have ever been, the most prolific spewers of fake news.

fake news is better than counterrevolutionary news!

I know this quote, President Trump said it November 2020 dismissing allegations that he rigged the elections.

[Nilokeras]

Someone on Twitter made an interesting point that with Ben Shapiro stepping down from editor-in-chief at The Daily Wire and Andrew Sullivan leaving New York Magazine all within the last week that this is probably less a grand stance on cancel culture or internal New York Times politics than it is the three of them smelling opportunity in the water for their own Quillette-style 'anti-woke' highbrow publication. Which probably makes the most sense IMO.

[Liriena]

I can't get enough of NSG discovering Bari Weiss and taking her at face value, while the rest of the internet has known she's a mediocre faildaughter for a long while.

What's that Skip, progressives will demean any work that fails their idealogical purity tests as substandard because they aren't mature enough to tell the difference between criticism and harassment.

She's an objectively mediocre writer.

Also, her current trash talking of the NYT is pretty hilarious in hindsight.

Bloody oath you're a smart bush kangaroo Skippy.

K Biden