Bari Weiss Resigns from New York Times

[South Odreria 2]

Lmao the nyt endorsed Amy klobuchar and you think it’s radical

[Liriena]

Lmao the nyt endorsed Amy klobuchar and you think it’s radical

You mean known Marxist-Leninist-Maoist icon Amy Klobuchar, who proudly cast the first stapler against the revisionists during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution?

[Uiiop]

Awwww did the widdow snowfwake get her feewings all hurt? Tough. You have no right to say assholish things and hide behind "free speech" to avoid being called an asshole.

Russ Douthat of all people has one of the most cogent analyses of this I've seen in some time. Recommended reading.

It's feels almost lynchian how good that article is compared to the rep of the author.
I guess he's going to drop the other shoe and following his last tenet by arguing for JK rowling and the quil editor.

[South Odreria 2]

Lmao the nyt endorsed Amy klobuchar and you think it’s radical

You mean known Marxist-Leninist-Maoist icon Amy Klobuchar, who proudly cast the first stapler against the revisionists during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution?

Imagine Klobuchar conducting struggle sessions in the newly formed USSA

[Nilokeras]

And resignations are basically firings in these context. It's just to give you an out and save a little face. "She didn't break up with me, I broke up with her". That sort of thing.

Ehh I doubt it. This all reads to me more like an attempt to pivot upward and out of the NYT by capitalizing on the Harper's letter and the media spotlight on the literati. The NYT columnist political sphere has been frozen out of relevance on the left for a while now and since Trump came along the culture of the conservative movement has shifted definitively out of the reach of such cultural 'elites'. This is Weiss' chance to become the darling of the conservative movement again and capture some of the sparkle that people like Brett Stephens never had (especially considering his entire audience at this point is hate-reading liberals).

Cancel culture has been able to exploit this glaring weakness to devastating effect.

'Cancel culture' isn't even a thing.

What America needs is a state-subsidized, independent news broadcaster modeled on the BBC that is less susceptible to these kinds of degrading, neoliberal, economic pressures and is able to set a higher bar for quality news coverage with less divisive political punditry across the country.

Speaking as someone who's from a country with a state broadcaster, they are 100% absolutely just as susceptible to economic or political pressures. The people that run these things are political appointees after all, and their budgets and content tend to be scrutinized with an even harsher lens given its taxpayer funding. This means they tend to be scrupulously moderate and deathly afraid to criticize the sitting government - which may be less divisive, but also completely fails to do the sort of hard-hitting work that commercial publications may not have the resources or incentive to do.

[New Bremerton]

And resignations are basically firings in these context. It's just to give you an out and save a little face. "She didn't break up with me, I broke up with her". That sort of thing.

Ehh I doubt it. This all reads to me more like an attempt to pivot upward and out of the NYT by capitalizing on the Harper's letter and the media spotlight on the literati. The NYT columnist political sphere has been frozen out of relevance on the left for a while now and since Trump came along the culture of the conservative movement has shifted definitively out of the reach of such cultural 'elites'. This is Weiss' chance to become the darling of the conservative movement again and capture some of the sparkle that people like Brett Stephens never had (especially considering his entire audience at this point is hate-reading liberals).

Cancel culture has been able to exploit this glaring weakness to devastating effect.

'Cancel culture' isn't even a thing.

What America needs is a state-subsidized, independent news broadcaster modeled on the BBC that is less susceptible to these kinds of degrading, neoliberal, economic pressures and is able to set a higher bar for quality news coverage with less divisive political punditry across the country.

Speaking as someone who's from a country with a state broadcaster, they are 100% absolutely just as susceptible to economic or political pressures. The people that run these things are political appointees after all, and their budgets and content tend to be scrutinized with an even harsher lens given its taxpayer funding. This means they tend to be scrupulously moderate and deathly afraid to criticize the sitting government - which may be less divisive, but also completely fails to do the sort of hard-hitting work that commercial publications may not have the resources or incentive to do.

I don't know. The BBC is rather independent if you ask me, whereas RTHK's independence is being increasingly eroded by the pro-CCP HK puppet government while state-owned BERNAMA here in Malaysia does nothing but kiss the feet of whoever is in charge, so I see your point.

[-Astoria-]

I don't know. The BBC is rather independent if you ask me, whereas RTHK's independence is being increasingly eroded by the pro-CCP HK puppet government while state-owned BERNAMA here in Malaysia does nothing but kiss the feet of whoever is in charge, so I see your point.

As for RTM?

[Nilokeras]

I don't know. The BBC is rather independent if you ask me, whereas RTHK's independence is being increasingly eroded by the pro-CCP HK puppet government while state-owned BERNAMA here in Malaysia does nothing but kiss the feet of whoever is in charge, so I see your point.

There's independence and there's independence though. The BBC ran a story last year about the parent of a sick kid confronting Boris Johnson in the hospital and in response his government launched an investigation into the story and is considering decriminalizing non payment of the license fee, which is the main way the the BBC supports itself. And that's without getting into the ways access journalism distorts journalistic priorities in organizations like the BBC or the New York Times, where access to information or privileged political circles is provided in exchange for laundering narratives or patronage.

[The Republic of Fore]

Journalists are oversensitive and whiny, news at eleven. Doesn't everyone remember #learntocode?

[Tillania]

Bari Weiss is a neoliberal. You want to consider that right-wing, fine.

You're joking. You've got to be joking. Right?

They got you to believe that worshipping the Free Market Fairy is a left-wing thing?
That's bloody amazing!

How's the war with Eurasia going?

[Bear Stearns]

Bari Weiss is a neoliberal. You want to consider that right-wing, fine.

You're joking. You've got to be joking. Right?

They got you to believe that worshipping the Free Market Fairy is a left-wing thing?
That's bloody amazing!

How's the war with Eurasia going?

No one actually on the right would claim her as one of their own.

[South Odreria 2]

You're joking. You've got to be joking. Right?

They got you to believe that worshipping the Free Market Fairy is a left-wing thing?
That's bloody amazing!

How's the war with Eurasia going?

No one actually on the right would claim her as one of their own.

Not going to argue terminology but the usual conservative circlejerk bowling ball brains are indeed somehow taking her side

[Bear Stearns]

No one actually on the right would claim her as one of their own.

Not going to argue terminology but it’s the usual conservative circlejerk bowling ball brains that are somehow taking her side

Like who?

[South Odreria 2]

Not going to argue terminology but it’s the usual conservative circlejerk bowling ball brains that are somehow taking her side

Like who?

Google bari weiss and you see fox, wsj, and ny post taking her side.

[Bear Stearns]

Like who?

Google bari weiss and you see fox, wsj, and ny post taking her side.

Ah, so the normie neocons

[Thanatttynia]

This is just open/shut workplace harassment. It's interesting that no-one is disputing the events she describes - they are saying she deserves them, she deserves to be bullied. This is ostensibly because she is a Zionist but she has also been working the culture war beat for a long time, 'from the wrong side' afaik.

I have no personal feeling about Weiss, I don't read her bc I don't read the NYT bc of the paywall. Literally the only thing I (and I'm sure many others) know about her is that she's a kind of public hate figure for the people who are now in charge. I empathise with anyone who experiences that.

It's a good story because it clearly shows we are seeing an insurgent vanguard of young metropolitan 'creative' elites wresting control of powerful cultural institutions from older 'creative' elites, too browbeaten and pathetic to resist them. Their values are different, so the regime is different.

[Gravlen]

This is an interesting opinion on the recent developments.

If the descriptions here are correct, Weiss sounds like something of a Free Speech Tourist and I don't know if her account can be seen as The Truth^TM

Not incidentally, hypocrisy is also a central criticism of Weiss. She denounces cancel culture, builds up cancel culture opponents as heroes and martyrs, and tries to cancel people whose expressions she deems antisemitic. And her definition of antisemitic includes things that others would classify as criticism of Israeli government policy rather than bigotry against Jews. Among the people Weiss has gone after are Palestinian-supporting Columbia professors in 2004–05 and cartoonist Eli Valley in 2019. Weiss has become an object of scorn in some circles not because they’ve never seen any of her work, but because she embodies the hypocrisy of free speech for me, but not for thee.

That said, if she was subjected to any workplace harassment, that would be unacceptable and the responsibility of the NYT to fix. Her being a hypocrite would not excuse that.

[South Odreria 2]

This is just open/shut workplace harassment. It's interesting that no-one is disputing the events she describes - they are saying she deserves them, she deserves to be bullied. This is ostensibly because she is a Zionist but she has also been working the culture war beat for a long time, 'from the wrong side' afaik.

I have no personal feeling about Weiss, I don't read her bc I don't read the NYT bc of the paywall. Literally the only thing I (and I'm sure many others) know about her is that she's a kind of public hate figure for the people who are now in charge. I empathise with anyone who experiences that.

It's a good story because it clearly shows we are seeing an insurgent vanguard of young metropolitan 'creative' elites wresting control of powerful cultural institutions from older 'creative' elites, too browbeaten and pathetic to resist them. Their values are different, so the regime is different.

It’s good to know that I’m “the people who are now in charge” and a “metropolitan elite” because I don’t put up with this lady’s crap.

People, and I am not accusing you of this, like to imagine themselves to be free thinkers because they get together and circlejerk the ravings of a baboon.

Also, no one is denying her claims? Considering she has rarely if ever told the truth I do not automatically believe her.

[Cekoviu]

This is just open/shut workplace harassment. It's interesting that no-one is disputing the events she describes - they are saying she deserves them, she deserves to be bullied. This is ostensibly because she is a Zionist but she has also been working the culture war beat for a long time, 'from the wrong side' afaik.

I have no personal feeling about Weiss, I don't read her bc I don't read the NYT bc of the paywall. Literally the only thing I (and I'm sure many others) know about her is that she's a kind of public hate figure for the people who are now in charge. I empathise with anyone who experiences that.

It's a good story because it clearly shows we are seeing an insurgent vanguard of young metropolitan 'creative' elites wresting control of powerful cultural institutions from older 'creative' elites, too browbeaten and pathetic to resist them. Their values are different, so the regime is different.

It’s good to know that I’m “the people who are now in charge” and a “metropolitan elite” because I don’t put up with this lady’s crap.

People, and I am not accusing you of this, like to imagine themselves to be free thinkers because they get together and circlejerk the ravings of a baboon.

Also, no one is denying her claims? Considering she has rarely if ever told the truth I do not automatically believe her.

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[-Astoria-]

It’s good to know that I’m “the people who are now in charge” and a “metropolitan elite” because I don’t put up with this lady’s crap.

People, and I am not accusing you of this, like to imagine themselves to be free thinkers because they get together and circlejerk the ravings of a baboon.

Also, no one is denying her claims? Considering she has rarely if ever told the truth I do not automatically believe her.

jesus christ 6 edits

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[Nilokeras]

This is just open/shut workplace harassment. It's interesting that no-one is disputing the events she describes - they are saying she deserves them, she deserves to be bullied. This is ostensibly because she is a Zionist but she has also been working the culture war beat for a long time, 'from the wrong side' afaik.

We're not privy to all the details of course but certainly her colleagues have disputed her characterization of events before - Weiss attempted to characterize the internal debate about the Tom Cotton editorial as a 'civil war' and was widely rebuked on Twitter by people at the NY Times for overreacting. Besides which there's a power element here that is worth considering - she's an editor and staff columnist. That her younger colleagues dislike and don't respect her doesn't inherently make it harassment, especially if she has more institutional power and influence than they do.

[Fedel]

This is just open/shut workplace harassment. It's interesting that no-one is disputing the events she describes - they are saying she deserves them, she deserves to be bullied. This is ostensibly because she is a Zionist but she has also been working the culture war beat for a long time, 'from the wrong side' afaik.

That her younger colleagues dislike and don't respect her doesn't inherently make it harassment, especially if she has more institutional power and influence than they do.

I don't think that's what people are referring to as "harassment." I think it's moreso the anti-Jewish sentiment.

[South Odreria 2]

It’s good to know that I’m “the people who are now in charge” and a “metropolitan elite” because I don’t put up with this lady’s crap.

People, and I am not accusing you of this, like to imagine themselves to be free thinkers because they get together and circlejerk the ravings of a baboon.

Also, no one is denying her claims? Considering she has rarely if ever told the truth I do not automatically believe her.

jesus christ 6 edits

Imagine writing the post before you press submit

[South Odreria 2]

That her younger colleagues dislike and don't respect her doesn't inherently make it harassment, especially if she has more institutional power and influence than they do.

I don't think that's what people are referring to as "harassment." I think it's moreso the anti-Jewish sentiment.

Yeah well there’s no evidence there was any of that sentiment and she has prolifically lied about it before so

[Fedel]

I don't think that's what people are referring to as "harassment." I think it's moreso the anti-Jewish sentiment.

Yeah well there’s no evidence there was any of that sentiment and she has prolifically lied about it before so

Fair enough. I don't know her or her past. Just commenting on what user's are probably referring to here.